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GailL1
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
July 27, 2025

I hear and read everybody saying that it would be fixed if we raised the cap - NOPE Not unless the benefits of those who are paying in so much more is also limited - very limited.  So how is that fair as the article thinks people feel - ?

 

So what happens to those who work (2) jobs and make over the cap?  Right now, they and their employer get their withholding back.  

 

EDITED TO ADD:  The Social Security Actuary when analyzing various proposals also look at behavioral responses - the founded ones.  

What they say over and over again is  “We assume employers and employees will

redistribute total employee compensation among taxes, wages, and other compensation. This behavioral response reduces the increase in both payroll tax revenue and scheduled benefits that would occur in the absence of this behavioral response.”

 

MY BIGGEST SUGGESTION and it could be done right away - is to have employees and employers begin to pay withholding taxes for both Social Security and Medicare on the employee health benefits that employers give as a benefit instead of salary to their individual employees.  Itis still compensation and should be treated as such.  Plus it would also increase our tax revenues.  WHY iS THIS NOT EVER TALKED ABOUT AS A FIX or at least part of the fix?  

 

If we want to tax investment income for Social Security and maybe even Medicare, then I think it should all investment income should be taxes for everybody - not limited by income level.  

Would those paying more into the SS system with this tax on investments get any benefit based on this or is it only for funding for those who are getting a benefit.

 

Personally,I think we also need to revise some of the benefits - especially the early retirement.  OH, there is nothing wrong with filing for retirement benefits early but a person should not be able to get auxiliary benefits when they are just filing for early retirement.  

 

I also think that we did a disservice to the whole system by eliminating the WEP and the GPO instead of passing a new formula.  But the deed has been done - BIPARTISANLY - so who are I.  Will those same people stand up for the higher earners getting their just benefit when they are paying in more by increasing greatly or eliminating the Social Security cap?  

IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
Contributor ⭐⭐
August 3, 2025

You’re raising important questions—and I agree that raising the cap alone isn’t a magic fix, especially if benefit formulas aren’t adjusted alongside it. But we also have to be careful about policies that treat higher earners like bottomless ATMs without a proportional return. That undermines the “earned benefit” premise of Social Security.

 

You also make a strong point about behavioral responses. If we keep hiking taxes on labor or investment, people will naturally shift compensation structures or delay work—hurting the very funding we’re trying to protect.

 

As for taxing employer-provided health benefits—technically that’s compensation, yes, but there are real consequences to making those benefits more expensive for both employers and workers. It could even push more people onto the public system or reduce employer coverage altogether.

 

I’ve said in the Social Security section a few times now that I’m personally more drawn to ideas like partial privatization—something along the lines of the Sweden model or President Bush’s proposed carve-out accounts. These give younger workers the chance to earn market-based returns while still protecting current retirees and those close to retirement. But every time it’s suggested, it gets dismissed outright as “unacceptable,” without even a serious debate.

 

Your point on WEP and GPO is also spot on. I’ve said before that repealing them without creating a fair and thoughtful replacement was a mistake. Bipartisan or not, it weakened the long-term credibility of the program. If we’re asking higher earners to pay significantly more, fairness demands they see a benefit tied to that extra contribution.

 

We can’t fix this if we won’t talk openly about tradeoffs and realistic, forward-thinking options—especially ones that don’t just raise taxes or keep pushing the retirement age up. Too many people shy away from opposing viewpoints, and that’s part of why we’re stuck.

Community Champion ⭐
August 7, 2025

@gail1, the ACA does require employers to report the value of Healthcare coverage. Generally, the amount reported includes both portions paid by employers and employees, if any. Some Unions negotiate that employers pay 100% of the cost. Anyway, the reporting is for informational purposes only. The concept is that such information will provide employees with useful and comparable information on the cost of their Healthcare coverage. Because it would be a cumbersome task to report each employees' specific cost for Healthcare coverage in an employee benefit plan, the IRS suggests 3 methods: the applicable COBRA premium method; a modified COBRA premium method; or the premiums charged for fully insured Healthcare coverage. In a self funded Plan, there are no premiums that are paid to an insurance company. So, for most employees in the USA (approximately 80% or more), their Healthcare coverage is provided by an employer via an employee benefit plan rather than an insurance company. Many employers use an insurance company or a Third Party Administrator to pay benefits (claims) via an Administrative Service Agreement with such organizations. So, a self insured employer does not pay the reported value that appears on a W2 to an insurance company unless that Plan is fully insured. Generally, most employers with over 100 employees find self funding is more cost efficient. However, smaller employers with as few as 50 employees may self fund and buy reinsurance to reimburse the employer for benefit payments (claims) over a certain dollar amount whether individually or in aggregate. Essentially, an employee benefit plan reimburses an employee for covered Healthcare expenses they incur while eligible for such coverage. The amounts of reimbursements can vary from employee to employee and from year to year ($0.00 to $millions). The questions that needs to be answered are do you tax an employee based on an informational value even though such employee received $0.00 or less than the informational value? Or, do you tax the employee on the actual amount of benefits paid or reimbursed to such employee for the Healthcare expenses they incurred during the calendar year? The current Regs.,as I understand them, will tax the employee for the actual amount of benefits paid if an employee benefit plan is non-qualified. This is why compliance with ERISA in maintaining a qualified plan is important. 

To compare a parallel benefit (short term disability) that is available in some employee benefit plans, employees who receive STD pay taxes based on the amounts they receive. They are not issued an average amount based on the average cost per employee. I realize the Government can change the rules from time to time, and they have. 

In summary, employee benefits are not considered as part of an employee's base pay. They are considered part of a total compensation concept, but many benefits are not monetary unless they are needed and used. How do you tax benefits not used? 

Contributor ⭐⭐⭐
July 30, 2025

When Social security was first implemented, average lifespans were less than the retirement age(65).  Today, average lifespan is almost 20 year longer than retirement age.  No wonder it's going broke.

 

Raise the full retirement age to 70 and raise the early retirement age from 62 to 66.

LisaS961881
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
August 17, 2025

….. a gloomier article just three weeks later:

 

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-fear-end-social-security-poll-2113953

 

     ~ Lisa 🙋

GailL1
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
August 17, 2025

@LisaS961881 

So Do You think that President Reagan with the help of a Democratically lead Congress could get the changes they passed in 1983 - passed today in this political climate?

 

I would say “NO” - 

IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
LisaS961881
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
August 17, 2025

  Gail - I totally agree.

With both political parties being more concerned with tearing each other down rather than reaching across the Maginot Line and creating a solution together, I cannot foresee a comprehensive solution anytime soon.

 

   Yup - gloomy….