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October 18, 2023

46% Increase for 2024 AARP UHC Part D in North Carolina

  • October 18, 2023
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Have just received the Annual Notice from UHC.  What is the justification except a UHC money grab?  I've been with AARP B and D for many years with minimal usage for D.  This is the largest %age increase I've seen and the well-known competition now is far lower.  Who at AARP is responsible for selecting UHC - is this what's called  "fighting for health care"?

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    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    October 18, 2023

    But look at all the NEW stuff that is being added as a result of the Inflation Reduction Act passed back in 2022 -

    Key prescription drug affordability highlights include:

    • 2023 — Insulin will be limited to $35 for a month’s supply. This takes effect January 1 for insulin covered under Part D and July 1 for insulin covered as durable medical equipment under Part B.
    • 2024 — Low-income assistance will be expanded to people with income at or below 150% of the federal poverty level.
    • 2025 — Part D enrollees will have their out-of-pocket drug costs capped at $2,000. They will also have the option to pay these costs in monthly amounts rather than all at once.

    Then there is the  IRA’s Part D structural changes:

    • 2024 — People who reach the Part D catastrophic phase will no longer have to pay cost-sharing.
    • 2025 — The Manufacturer Discount Program in Medicare Part D will replace the Medicare coverage gap discount program. In general, it will require drug manufacturers to pay a 10% discount on certain drugs in the initial coverage phase and a 20% discount in the catastrophic phase. Government reinsurance in the catastrophic phase will decrease from 80% to 20% for most brand-name drugs and from 80% to 40% for generics.

    Then there is the part of the IRA that stabilizes Part D premiums beginning in 2025 to no more than a 6% increase.

     

    Look at all you are getting for a few dollars more - did you think that the government was gonna pick up the cost of these changes and benefits?

     

    AARP.org - 10/09/2023 - How New Medicare Law Affects Your Health

     

    KFF.org 10/17/2023 - An Overview of the Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Benefit

     

    Medicare Rights.org - Inflation Reduction Act Fact Sheet Outlines Important Changes for 2023 and Beyond

     

    AND you have the option to change plans during this annual enrollment period - just like every year - to the one that is best for you.

     

     

     

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
    javmdAuthor
    Contributor ⭐⭐
    October 18, 2023

    NONE of this NEW stuff applies to me.  It's still 46% increase that AARP did not fight for me.

    Contributor ⭐
    October 26, 2023

     I was shocked at the increase in cost (CA). My premium was going to TRIPLE and my drug cost was going to DOUBLE and they call that a simple rollover. "If you're happy with your current plan, do nothing and it will roll over." It's downright dishonest, and it feels wrong to me that AARP is putting its name on this. There are other plans out there that cost the same as my current one, and only 1/3 of the cost of AARP. Do your homework and pick a cheaper plan for next year, don't just go with the "rollover"!

    Contributor ⭐
    October 23, 2023

    Money grab.

    Conversationalist ⭐⭐
    November 14, 2023

    In 2025 medicare D plans will have a cap on the premium price increase they can charge. As a result AARP United Health Care (and a number of others, but certainly not all) decided to jack the prices up now (mine more than doubled. Bye bye AARP for that) so that when they are limited by the percent increase they are starting from a higher premium thus dollar wise the increase is more.

    Contributor ⭐
    December 10, 2023

    That is consistent with what I have read in other sources.   Regardless, the willingness of AARP to endorse the UHC outfit without some kind of an explanation or justification is very problematic.

    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    December 13, 2023

    @JimCossitt wrote:

    That is consistent with what I have read in other sources.   Regardless, the willingness of AARP to endorse the UHC outfit without some kind of an explanation or justification is very problematic.


    Because UHC is THE BIGGEST MA insurer in the country and is available nationwide.

    KFF.org 08/09/2023- Medicare Advantage in 2023: Enrollment Update and Key Trends

     

    Same thing with MediGAP - AARP/UHC Medigap is one of the biggest in the country - if not THE biggest and is highly rated in financial stability - which is paramount for any insurance company and for those who make royalties off of their endorsement of such a product.

    Investopedia.org- 11/27/2023 - Best Medicare Supplement (Medigap) Companies

     

     

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
    Conversationalist ⭐⭐
    December 3, 2023

    The other problem with United Health Care (I am bout 75 hours into fighting this right now) is that in my state starting June 1, 2023 (they are rolling it in) they now have supplements without the "no extra cost to us benefits". In my state at my age that G is $69.99 cheaper than the no extra cost to us version of G we had. Which tells me earlier it was no extra cost because they had already included the cost. They claim (which Medicare disagrees with) that my plan hasn't ended because they still offer the benefits. Um yeah but clearly not at no extra cost to me. It is now essentially $70 more. Their current claim since they offered the new versions without the "benefits" under a different legal entity that means all of us trapped in the more expensive G can't change without passing medical underwriting (well unless we live in one of the states that has the birthday rule and you can change once a year then without having to deal with medical underwriting). I don't pass medical underwriting so I am trapped.  

    Frankly United Health Care seems to collect class action suits which speaks to their ethics - or lack there of more appropriately  (and they lose them as far as I can tell). This is a class action suit waiting to happen as the no extra cost to us was fraud and the plan was effectively ended as these extras are not at no extra cost to us. They say but we still have a plan with extras. I said but it is at an pretty big extra cost to us. G without them is cheaper so that tells us exactly what the cost is. 

    Locally the dental discount extra is useless as no board licensed dentist locally accepts it. The vision discount is only at a place that doesn't sell the higher end lenses for classes. I found out the hard way there is a huge difference in the width of clear vision with progressive lenses between the cheap lenses and the expensive ones. When they dumped silver sneakers and went to renew a number of fitness centers including those with pools mostly didn't sign back up. I sure can't afford a gallon and a third of gas every time I'd go to the fitness center with the pool to use the pool. It would be cheaper to pay to join the one right down the street that I can walk to.

    I need to temporarily move just to be able to take advantage of the birthday rule with respect to changing out of G with extras into the one without.

    The other thing that cracked me up was I was told the new G was to atract more healthy seniors. Now how will that happen when you can sign up for whatever one you want with you first sign up. They can't screen you out then. G with extras has a 2 year look back for failing medical underwriting G without has a 5 year. So yes that will prevent more people from changing. And certainly as you age you are less likely to use fitness centers, etc. so that is a profit line. That is the problem with for profit medicine in the USA. 


    I'd guess over time United Health Care will offer more versions of each alphabet letter supplement so they can lure people in with lower premiums and then trap them. As a result the "older" supplements will likely have much higher premiums over time. Just look at what happened with F. That was only 4 years ago you no longer could sign up for it if you were 65 then. Now those premiums are more than the premiums for G + the deductible because no younger people in them. I went with community rated as that keeps premiums lower when you are older. But not if UHC is going to pull these stunts and we are trapped due to failure to pass medical underwriting.

    Contributor ⭐
    October 12, 2025

    Just saw AARP received 9 BILLION dollars from United Health.   Something stinks!

    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    October 12, 2025

    @LindaS108826 

    Maybe IF you would go to the actual source of the statement it could be cleared up for you and the hundreds that are gonna read this and take your statement at face value.  

     

    This is par for people that don’t know how to use the internet - they take things out of context and then post them without even a source document or an understanding of the actual details.

     

    AARP.org - Grant Thornton LLP - Consolidated Financial Statements and Report of Independent Certified Public Accountants AARP December 31, 2024 and 2023 

     

    Now look at page 15 under the heading of “ Royalties

    from the link for those who won’t look it up - [copy / paste]

     

    Royalties are received from AARP-branded third-party providers of member benefit programs in return for the rights to use AARP’s intellectual property (including name, logo, and membership information) in offering programs. For royalty agreements which include fixed fee consideration, revenue is recognized ratably over the term of the agreement. For royalty agreements which include variable consideration, revenue is recognized when the member purchases a good or service from an AARP-branded third-party provider.

     

    In 2024, AARP restructured an existing royalty agreement with one of its group health insurance providers. As part of this restructuring, the frequency of the royalty payments was changed with AARP receiving a one-time royalty payment of $9.062 billion in exchange for the group health insurance provider receiving an exclusive license for the right to use AARP’s trade name and other intellectual property in marketing efforts for a particular health insurance program directly related to this agreement.

     

    This one-time advance payment was recorded in investments and deferred revenue and other liabilities in the accompanying consolidated statements of financial position. In determining the useful life of this license,

    AARP considered several factors, including the expected useful life of similar assets, AARP’s own experience with this particular health insurance program and the overall health insurance marketplace.  Management determined that the estimated useful life of this license is 12 years and will amortize it on a

    straight-line basis over that period. The unamortized balance of the deferred revenue relating to this restructured agreement at December 31, 2024 is $8.727 billion.

     

    NOTE THIS SPECIFICALLY  ➡️      In connection with this royalty agreement, the Plan historically collected insurance premiums from participating members and remitted the insurance premiums to the group health insurance provider within contractually specified periods of time. The collection of premiums and submission of amounts due has historically been classified as agency transactions. During the holding period, these amounts were maintained by AARP in depository accounts which were included as part of the cash and investment balances, respectively. The corresponding liability for these agency transactions were included in the insurance premiums payable balance (Note 6). As a part of this restructured agreement, the Plan now remits all collections to the group health insurance provider daily. Thus, insurance premiums payable within the accompanying consolidated statements of financial position decreased significantly from December 31, 2023 on account of the group health insurance provider’s daily receipt of premiums.

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    [from ME]  In layman’s terms - they are now just doing it in a different way under this 2024 restructuring agreement.

     

    I will continue this in my next reply to you since there is a character maximum.

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    October 12, 2025

    @LindaS108826 

    Continuing from my reply to you on your statement - same link just from page 16 - from the link [copy paste]

     

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    Payments received for royalty agreements in advance of AARP satisfying its performance obligation are recorded within deferred revenue and other liabilities in the accompanying consolidated statements of financial position and recognized as revenue in future periods as performance obligations are satisfied. The changes in deferred revenue were caused by either the receipt of the one-time royalty payment from the group health insurance provider or normal timing differences between the satisfaction of performance obligations and customer payments.

     

    As of December 31, 2024 and 2023, royalties included within deferred revenue and other liabilities totaled $8,727,047,000 and $17,000, respectively. AARP recognized $17,000 in royalty revenue in each of the years ended December 31, 2024 and 2023 from amounts that were included in deferred revenue and other liabilities at December 31, 2023 and 2022.

     

    For royalty agreements, which include variable consideration, management has elected the practical expedient permitted under Accounting Standards Codification (“ASC”) 606 not to disclose information about remaining performance obligations.

     

    [ME]  Then from page 21 of the same link - Grantor Trust

     

    NOTE 6 - GRANTOR TRUST

    AARP established a grantor trust for the purpose of making group health insurance and other health-related products and services available to AARP, Inc. members or for the general benefit, good and welfare of AARP. Agreements between AARP, Inc., AARP Services, United Healthcare Corporation (“United”), Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (“MetLife”) and Genworth Life Insurance Company (“Genworth”) make certain types of insurance available to AARP, Inc. members.

     

    The Plan, a grantor trust, holds group policies, and maintains depository accounts to initially collect insurance premiums received from participating members. In accordance with the agreements referred to above, collections are remitted to third-party insurance carriers within contractually specified periods of time, net of the contractual royalty payments that are due to AARP, Inc., which are reported as royalties in the accompanying consolidated statements of activities. AARP derived 34% and 63% of total royalties from the Plan for the years ended December 31, 2024 and 2023, respectively.

     

    Billing of insurance premiums and issuance of certificates of insurance to insured members are the responsibility of the third-party insurance carrier. The collection of premiums and submission of amounts due to the insurance carrier are classified as agency transactions and, as such, are not recorded as either revenue or expenses in the accompanying consolidated statements of activities. For the years ended December 31,2024 and 2023, the Plan processed $13.1 billion and $12.1 billion of premium payments from member participants, respectively.

     

    Premiums collected from insured members are subsequently remitted to the third-party insurance carriers and are recorded as a liability, insurance premiums payable, in the accompanying consolidated statements of financial position. For the years ended December 31, 2024 and 2023, the Plan invested certain funds that generated net investment income of $69,892,000 and $106,817,000, respectively, which are included in investment gain in the accompanying consolidated statements of activities.

     

    end [copy / paste]

     

    Now - please tell us where you got this snippet of a statement that you posted without any explanation - which you “just saw”.  

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna