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March 31, 2025

📋 The Future of Social Security (AARP Article - updated)

  • March 31, 2025
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FROM THE ARTICLE: The truth about its current status and options for boosting its future stability.

 

By John Waggoner and Andy Markowitz, AARP.

 

*** There are 249 Comments on the AARP website. Stop by to add yours. ***

 

Published March 01, 2022.

➡️ Updated March 26, 2025. ⬅️

 

For decades, financial advisers have used the metaphor of a three-legged stool to describe America’s retirement system: Late-life security, the thinking goes, rests on having a healthy pension from work, ample personal savings and a monthly Social Security payment.

So much for that. Pensions that guarantee income for life have largely disappeared from private-sector workplaces, and too few Americans have accumulated a nest egg that can provide substantial monthly income throughout their retirement years. According to the Federal Reserve's most recent Survey of Consumer Finances, the median retirement savings for U.S. households ages 55 to 64 is $185,000.

 

USE THE LINK BELOW TO READ THE ARTICLE: https://www.aarp.org/social-security/benefits-current-status-future-stability/

24 replies

Conversationalist ⭐⭐
March 31, 2025

"Introduce more progressivity. Typically referred to as “means testing,” this approach calls for adjusting the size of your Social Security payments based on your wages, wealth or income. The concept is to protect people below a certain annual income or wage level so they get full benefits; those who are financially healthier would sacrifice some or all of their Social Security payments."

Instead of basing it on income/wage, why not wealth? For example, if you have $500,000 or more in investments, savings and your home, your SS benefits could be cut by 50% so that those who have nothing can have something. 

Before anyone sputters, "Bbbbut, $500,000 is not a lot of money," consider what the article says: "According to the Federal Reserve's most recent Survey of Consumer Finances, the median retirement savings for U.S. households ages 55 to 64 is $185,000." That means you have a lot more than most households. 

 

Who's ready to pony up?

roachme
Contributor ⭐⭐⭐
April 1, 2025

@BalbonisMoleskine   I wouldn't want to do it unless they stop taking SS taxes out of my pay after I start benefits and remove the income tax from my SS benefit.  SS is already means tested with the income tax and if someone is still working they are paying part of their own monthly benefit every payday.  Between the income tax on my SS and the payroll deduction, I'm giving back 37% of my SS every year already.  As far as the $500K level, my house is worth more than that in California and the property tax plus insurance is almost 3 of my full SS payments.  You'd have a hard time buying a house here for less than $500K unless it's 100 years old, small, and run down.  My first house was built in 1969 and it would cost over $780K today.

Roxanna35
Contributor ⭐⭐
March 31, 2025

185,000  accumulated by 64 year old. And that is the median?  Are you kidding? Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck,  and they have always counted on the SS money that they have been putting all their lives, and that was taken out of their salaries.
I wish that I had known that and opted out of the SS and saved my own mon   I may even have more than just the 185,0000 that the article says.

no name
Conversationalist ⭐⭐
March 31, 2025

It's the median, which means that a lot of Americans don't live paycheck to paycheck. Those who do wind up in a pickle that makes them a cautionary tale that others can learn from. 

GailL1
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
March 31, 2025

Right, I have never been without something to fall back on - even being self-employed for many years, when there was nothing coming in at all during some economic downturns, I at least had something to sell or some savings or credit to get me thru so we could at least eat and have shelter.  Those times just taught me how I did not want to live so from then on - I made a plan and Savings came 1st.   

IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
GailL1
Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
March 31, 2025

Now let’s see - since they are asking for some suggestions to help the financial health of the Trust Funds -  I have thought of a few new ones.

1.  start taxing the employer-side of employer supplied health insurance of the employees at the contributions level for Social Security.  After all it is an employee benefit as any other and those other employer benefits are tax as compensation for FICA.

 

2.  REMOVE the earnings cap and allow anybody to keep working and paying into the system AFTER they have retired with a SS benefit.  The only caveat would be that any contributions made AFTER you are receiving benefits would NOT be credited to you for added benefits.  But you can keep working as long as you want and keep paying into the system while continuing to work.  That way the Trust Fund increases but the benefit doesn’t.

I won’t are credit for this one - I heard it from a previous SS Trustee - I like it.

 

NOTE:  @roachme - you are a person near and dear to me and my views - Thanks for all your comment on the AARP article - you can now take up the fight since I am getting very, very old and already have several other places that take up my time/

 

IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
roachme
Contributor ⭐⭐⭐
April 1, 2025

@GailL1 Thanks, Gail, but I have to disagree with you on your #2.  Removing the cap brings about $300 Billion a year in new SS taxes.  Since all wages are taxed for Medicare, it's easy to reverse the math to figure out close to the additional SS tax.  The $300 Billion sounds good but at least $200 Billion of that will have to buy bonds from the Treasury, which puts all that money into the hands of the Congress, if they don't remove the cap from payments, too.  They may use it to reduce external debt or they may just spend it on something new and let the budget deficit remain the same level.  Anyway, in 10 years that grows to $2.6 Trillion more in National Debt plus another $300 Billion in bond interest over the 10 years.

If they remove the cap on benefits to keep the annuity affect intact, rather than a wealth transfer, then the formula will probably still be changed to be very lopsided such that it takes 20 years for those above the current cap to recover just the taxes they paid, or by allowing the benefit formula to stay the same it will maintain the Trust status quo and we're still looking at an exhausted Trust, just not as soon.

The other suggestion of not counting work income toward increasing benefits after starting SS doesn't amount to much in my experience.  I continued to work for substantial income after starting SS and the max the income increased my SS was $11 a month.  Last year, it gave me a $1 increase and this year will probably be none.  The reason is all income after age 60 is not indexed to a higher value and eventually isn't replacing the lowest indexed values.  To put it in comparison, I've gotten less than $300 extra in total SS so far for over $44,000 paid in SS taxes by me and my employer since my starting SS.  The Trust is really making out on this deal already.

Hope to see you around here a long time.

Community Champion ⭐
April 1, 2025

roachme, are you sure about $300 Billion per year if the cap is removed? In another post, Gail1 provided an analysis from Brookings wherein $700 -$800 Billion is indicated for the period 2025 to 2035. Maybe you included Net Investment Tax which is an additional 3.8% Medicare tax for folks with investment income above certain thresholds. For example, a CEO with 100,000,000 shares of stock that pays $1.00 dividend per year will pay an additional $3.8 Million in Medicare tax pursuant to the ACA. So, using Medicare tax revenue needs to be adjusted for items such as NIT, IRMMA, etc. I think that after deleting other sources of Medicare tax revenue you should have a realistic number for earnings without a cap.