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December 23, 2024

Social Security Fairness Act application

  • December 23, 2024
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I am 71 years old and worked for the Post Office for over 30 years. I am collecting a government pension and was not eligible for spousal benefits due to GPO.I do have an online SS account and used the online calculator on the site to determine my ineligibility, so I never filed a formal application. Since the SS Fairness Act was passed, should I apply for benefits now, or wait until the SS admin updates the application process for people who only now have become eligible?

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    Conversationalist ⭐
    December 24, 2024

     Has the President signed the bill? I haven't heard anything today.

    Contributor ⭐
    December 25, 2024

    Not yet. Saw a video explains why Biden hasn’t signed yet. This person opinion. Sounds credible. Saying Biden will sign between Christmas and New Year. Making a statement of showing public what Democrats have done for us, and to one up on Trump. Hopefully will actually sign. I’m affected by the GPO. Widow’s Benefit  drastically cut. 

    Contributor ⭐
    December 24, 2024

    I would do everything possible to, as soon as possible, for extra protection against your hard-earned, lifetime savings being taken by greedy, soulless monsters!

    iamonewithhim
    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 1, 2025

    I would suggest you look at the AARP page on this subject to see why AARP did not support the Fairness Act. I hope when the new Congress takes over they fix the disparities created by the Fairness Act. Although I worked 22 years in government positions, only 13 paid into Medicare. From 71-79 worked for Federal Govt. and at that time we didn't pay into SSA or Medicare. So I only have 23 years in SSA and 13 years of municipal which is under WEP. I really don't feel it's fair if someone worked straight SSA for 39 years and made the same salary I did for my 23 SSA and 13 municipal years, to be getting less of a SSA benefit than I get with my municipal and SSA income combined. We want this benefit to be available to all eligible people and I just think they could have worked out a way to equalize the benefits for all after working on this issue for over 40 years. 

    Community Champion ⭐
    January 1, 2025

    @iamonewithhim I do not think many of the folks "in line" for the bonus SS Benefit payments will read AARP's position or care about how the SS bonus payments will be funded. Based on your comments and replies, it appears you have knowledge of the SS Program and the mathematical formula for developing the Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) based on 35 years of indexed Earnings in Covered Employment (Average Indexed Monthly Earnings or AIME).

    As you know, SS is a self funding system (FICA Taxes). The total benefits it pays cannot exceed the FICA taxes that Participants/Employers contribute. If SS gives unintended bonus payments to some households via repeal of WEP and GPO, that money comes straight from other participants. The SS Program has been drawing down SS Trust Fund reserves from 2021 in order to cover the SS benefit payroll which is approx. $1.2 Trillion per year and growing. The SS Trust reserve is there to support benefit payments when unemployment is high and FICA taxes low. We have had essentially "full employment" since 2021/2022 after Covid; and, yet, we will continue to draw down the SS Trust reserves until depleted unless Congress creates a solution. Their decision to repeal WEP and GPO will now deplete the reserve sooner. The best estimate is approx. $200 Billion which in time means about 6 months sooner. So, maybe 3 million folks will receive SS bonus payments at the expense of approx. 50 -55  million other folks, many of them low benefit folks who do not have a "gold plated" Government Pension or any kind of pension. It is sad that Congress voted to repeal WEP and GPO rather than reform such provisions. WEP  which was created by the National Commission on Social Security Reform (aka Greenspan Commission) in January 1983.was developed to stop overpaying SS Benefits to folks who had non-covered earnings that were not included in the SS System. Many folks appeared to the SS System as long term low wage workers living near the poverty level. Their PIA would provide 90% at the first bend point. At any rate, I am including a link to information from the Subcommittee on Social Security House Ways and Means Committee in April 2024  https://www.congress.gov/event/118th-congress/house-event/LC73221/text It is an interesting read. The testimony from Jason Fichtner VP/Chief Economist Bipartisan Policy Center and former Chief Economist for the SSA  provides a solution for reforming the WEP and GPO instead of a repeal. Others provided the sound financial reasoning for keeping equity and parity. It appears that advice fell on deaf ears and Congress repealed WEP and GPO which reinstates SS Benefit overpayments to workers with non-covered earnings. Congress did not provide a solution for paying for such SS Benefit overpayments. That is reckless as well as capricious and arbitrary. I suggest reading the National Commission report issued in January 1983. At that time, many changes were developed to avoid the SS Trust reaching zero by August 1983. The National Commission estimated that all changes which included the WEP would provide approx. 66.7% of the needed revenue through FICA increases and SS Benefit reductions. The remaining 33.3%  to complete the 75 year funding plan would come from a FICA increase of about a half percent (0.046%) in 2010 for both employee and employer. That increase was not implemented. Just think about the math and time estimated by the National Commission or 66.7% of 75 year which is about 50 years. That gets the SS System from 1984 to 2034 which was the projected SS Trust depletion date. With no approx. 1% FICA increase in 2010 and the repeal of WEP and DPO , it looks like the SS Trust will deplete earlier with SS Benefit cuts of approx. 17% to 20% for everyone. Moreover, there is no solution in sight. 

    Contributor ⭐
    December 30, 2024

    I think you should call 800-772-1213 to get an appointment.  I never applied for survivor benefits because of GPO, so on December 17th I called to set up a telephone appointment. None were available. I was told it would take about a week to set up.  I got an e-mail on December 27th with a phone appointment set for January 6th. They're going to be crushed with applicants.  Best to get in the queue ASAP. 

    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 4, 2025

    IMPORTANT!

    The bill signing ceremony has been changed to Sunday, January 5, at 4:00 p.m.

    IF YOU OR A FRIEND ARE ATTENDING - YOU MUST REGISTER FOR THE EVENT AGAIN DUE TO THE CHANGE IN DATE AND TIME.

    Contributor ⭐⭐
    December 31, 2024

    iamonewithhim
    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 1, 2025

    Thank you. You must know someone who is way up there on the totem pole. 

    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 4, 2025

    IMPORTANT!

    The bill signing ceremony has been changed to Sunday, January 5, at 4:00 p.m.

    IF YOU OR A FRIEND ARE ATTENDING - YOU MUST REGISTER FOR THE EVENT AGAIN DUE TO THE CHANGE IN DATE AND TIME.

    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 4, 2025
    Social Security Fairness Act Bill Signing Date/Time Change
     
    The White House has changed the bill signing date to Sunday, January 5, at 4:00 p.m. EST.

    Live events at the White House are streamed at https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/. We hope the signing will be live-streamed, so check the site before 4:00 p.m., but give it a minute, as experience informs us that events often don't start on time.
    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 5, 2025

    C-Span will livestream the signing of the Social Security Fairness Act tomorrow.

    Click on the picture or copy and paste the link.
    https://www.c-span.org/event/white-house-event/president-biden-signs-social-security-fairness-act/429937

    Let's assume it will also be streamed at THE WHITE HOUSE - LIVE.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

    iamonewithhim
    Contributor ⭐⭐
    January 6, 2025

    It was already signed today at 4pm EST.