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November 8, 2024

Probability of tax free Social Security as promised

  • November 8, 2024
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He said that Social Security won't be federally taxed.... 

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    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    November 8, 2024

    @RaymondJ623569 

    Yep, that’s what he said - now - HOW?  Probably only one way to make up the income to the Trust Funds that we will be losing - by raising the contribution limit at least some.  Either that or fix the whole problem with the Trust Funds - the problem is not enough income coming in to cover the benefits - Social Security Old Age and Survivors Benefits and Medicare Part A or HI Trust Fund.

     

    Congressional Research Report 09/23/2024 - Social Security Benefit Taxation Highlights 

    from the link ~

    In 2023, the Social Security trust funds were credited
    with $50.7 billion from the taxation of Social Security
    benefits, or 3.8% of the trust funds’ total income. Also in
    2023, income to the Medicare Hospital Insurance trust
    fund from the taxation of Social Security benefits was
    $35.0 billion, or 8.4% of the trust fund’s total income.

     

    This CRS link is important because it explains how things work - that’s the purpose of CRS reports - to explain to all of Congress how things work currently.

     

    Personally, I don’t think taking out any shortfall from the General Fund is a good idea - our deficit is already too high and this would make it worse UNLESS the same problem is covered there - That is to say to bring in more income.  

     

    Of course, there are other ideas along that line too but it would involve, again, bringing in more income by some other way than direct new taxation.  Maybe we can expand the economy (jobs HERE) to make up a lot of our trade deficit.  

     

    Either way, it is the how and if it works that will determine the success of any changes - it is all linked together in many ways.

     

    Fingers crossed -

     

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
    Contributor ⭐⭐⭐
    November 19, 2024

    Well, if he gets rid of the tax on SS, then the trust fund will just be depleted two years earlier.  How does that help anybody???  And since when do tips not count as income???

    GailL1
    Community Champion ⭐⭐⭐
    November 19, 2024

    Then add in a possible repeal of the WEP and GPO reductions - they are debating that now - already passed House.  

     

    Hey, what’s a few million/billion more when you can print your own money.   Just prepare accordingly for the 25% decrease in benefits that’s coming about 2035 or so, give or take a few years.

     

    What was it that Gordon, the train use to say in the Thomas the Train books 

    OH, THE INDIGNITY !!!!

     

    IT‘S ALWAYS SOMETHING . . . . .. . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
    Conversationalist ⭐⭐⭐
    November 9, 2024

      I don't care how they do it but they really do need to stop taxing my social security income.  If they tax mine they should tax everyones!  I paid in just like everyone else, planned for my retirement, made the sacrifices and now because I'm a high income earner I pay more.  

     

    I'm so tired of all the BS with the "needs based" benefit calculations!  Too many didn't plan, sat on their butts, took it for granted that they would be 'taken care of'. It just shows poor planning (and yes, I still know of many that were disabled but still worked and planned for their retirement) or milking the system (I know of some that were paid 'under the table'.

     

     

    DirkB349973
    Conversationalist ⭐
    November 23, 2024

    “At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge,” said the gentleman, taking up a pen, “it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”

    “Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

    “Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

    “And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”

    “They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”

    “The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.

    “Both very busy, sir.”

    “Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

    “Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”

    “Nothing!” Scrooge replied.

    “You wish to be anonymous?”

    “I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned—they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.”

    “Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

    “If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

    Contributor ⭐⭐⭐
    November 23, 2024

    Dirk…could trump be substituted for Scrooge? Or is there a “Dickens for Dummies” version!…like me. 

    Contributor ⭐⭐
    November 23, 2024

    on Fox and Friends they questioned him how he would get no taxes on SS checks and he said he will get it done. I know it looks like another scam promise just to get the seniors votes.