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1 comment (12/28/22) Hi @Kaberle , tears were in my eyes as I read your post. Yes, it seems the US has forgotten us. If you do not mind folks knowing your biz, I would SHARE it. Who knows, someone may read it and be able to help. Maybe your LOCAL media. Lots and lots of hugs and luv coming your way! Nicole 🤎🤗

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Thank you, Nicole. I wouldn't know who to contact and I doubt if it mattered much. One of the reasons I want a new home was so that I could open it up for seniors (older than me!) can come and get personal computer tutoring time from me. I have tutored seniors in this county on the use of iPads, laptops, and phones for over 25 years, and I always dreamed of having a big dining room where I could set up laptops and tablets to continue my tutoring for them. I don't really think people care about broken-in-body people like me. I just keep plugging along, praying that someday my work would produce some good karma results for me. Oh well! Truly I appreciate your reply. I can tell you this, as I get older, man the cold here is really hard on me, more than it's ever been. I've been sick three times in the last three months, and I am already at only 60% left of my lung function. Yikes.

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I am one of those have-nots as well. Sad as it is, I busted my body doing a job I love for decades, only to be tossed off into Medicare and unemployment for a severe back and shoulder injury. I couldn't work after my back surgery if I wanted to, not at my regular job. I couldn't stand for more than 5 minutes in one spot or sit for more than 10 mins. I was in constant pain. Being a Registered Veterinary Technician is a very hard job, but I did it with my whole heart and body. I went back to college and got a few degrees that still didn't land any higher-paying jobs. I even worked at the college I went to for 10 years, only to be dismissed due to my disability with not so much as an explanation. I missed the boat on suing them, and I should have for unlawful termination, but I was dumb and listened to my boss tell me to keep a low profile, so they would hire me to teach. That never happened, and they even argued over my qualifications, even thought the dept that wanted me said I passed their quals and experience.
I finally landed a job teaching unlicensed Vet Techs so that they can get their license, and it's a dream job for me. The pay is good but they only teach in the Spring and Fall, so all summer my only income is from my SS. It's not much, but the COLAs do help. I found another job for 9 hours a week that helps me pay my bills during the whole year, and the credit cards I racked up trying to survive after being let go from the college. That's on me I know, and it was a very bad lack of judgment on my part, especially as I was debt free before that. Like all the others mentioned here, I have no retirement, no savings and with bills and raising two kids alone on $9.80/hour until 2000, how would I ever be able to save for retirement?

At 68 I am working two jobs, and I live in a rat-infested 44-year-old trailer because I cannot qualify for a loan due to my age. My credit score is good because I am diligent about making my payments. My walls and roof leak and my floors are all caving in because of that. I own my property, which my daughter wants me to sell and move into a house that isn't falling apart, but I have been on this land for 46 years and my heart and soul are here. I just wish I could get a grant or some help so that I could get a newer manufactured home put on my land. This old place has severely affected my health and my lungs are really in bad shape from it. I keep getting emails about donating to help those in poverty, but what about people like us? What does it take to get actual help? That's what I want to know.

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Not only should there be a minimum SS benefit that provides a Living "Wage" for retirees, but COLA should be paid equally across the board, that is, everyone should get the same amount of COLA. Otherwise, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer as the years go by. I would like to see AARP fighting for a minimum living wage for retirees and for an equal COLA raises for all. They should also be lobbying for a Federal law that prevents taxing SS benefits, and making Medicare FREE for all who make less than that Minimum Living Wage.

 

There has been a lot of talk in the past couple of years about raising the minimum wage to make sure that workers can live on what they make. But no one has ever mentioned giving retirees a minimum Living Social Security Payment. I have been working since I was 10, and I have worked all kinds of jobs from menial through high-paying tech jobs. But I have never had a "career," and often I worked two jobs that paid NO benefits to make ends meet. When I didn't have benefits, I paid for my own health insurance ($700 per month before I retired). Finally, when I was ready to retire, I had to quit my second job to take care of my elderly mother, so when I did retire, my benefit was... not great. Now that I am retired, I only get about $1000/mo and that was okay until recently when this inflation hit. And now I'm beginning to think. If one considers my SS payment my "wage," then I'm making only $5.76 per hour. (That's why, at 71, I still have to work.) But what really bothers me is the way COLA raises are given out. One gets 8.7% or what one's base SS payment is. That means that people who already make more, GET more.  Not only should there be a minimum SS benefit that provides a basic Living "Wage" for retirees, but COLA should be paid equally across the board, that is, everyone should get the same amount of COLA. Otherwise, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I would like to see AARP fighting for a minimum living wage for retirees and for an equal COLA raise for all. 

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I have lost count of the number of times we have "started over".  We're just working folks who can't seem to catch a break and now, at a time when another curveball has been thrown our way, we too, wonder, will I ever be able to retire?  If I do retire, because frankly, my body just can't take this anymore, will I lose everything I've worked so hard for?  

As someone who cared for and watched their own parents lose those battles and die penniless, because we did not have the means to help them otherwise, both my husband and I have the same fears.  We did not come from wealth or education and we sure did not have the opportunities that many did.  

I just want to live long enough to retire now, and pray that we're able to keep our medical benefits so we don't go broke paying for our healthcare, as we did with our parents.  

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Retirement like the diversity of our world is also diverse.  My experience, I retired at 70 I could

see no reason to continue working. Yes, I loved my job but it was just time. In spite of being a

cancer survivor  going on 3yrs.  I am full of  life and searching for direction for the next 10years

(my mom passed at 80years.  

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I realize this post has been up since 2014, but while reviewing a lot of post about retirement and saving and the best age and social security, I did not see a lot about this subject and "what to do if you were not able to save for retirement or you never had a job paying enough to get good retirement benefits once you make the decision".

Hey, its great to have had a great job with great benefits and pension plans and savings and 401K and other things that a lot of us were blessed enough to get, but lets not get so high and mighty that we forget that there really are baby boomers out there who just were never able to catch a break in life and don't fit all neat in any of these catagories on AARP community for retirement. 

The good news is, before I actually read this post, I started researching what answer would I give to someone who asked me "what do I do if I never saved for retirement or I never had a job" and althought I just started checking, I will make it my business to post everything I find out. Stand by all you baby boomers living below the poverty level.....help is on the way.

 

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Vacation 2000 Glacier-15-007.jpg There is a crew who had good jobs, made decent money, were able to save little to nothing, or had crap happen, and wound up with nothing or less at retirement.

 

And yes, there are also a lot fo people who blew their money on good times and wound up in the same position. 

 

That's part of why I don't ask how or why a person doesn't have. 

 

It's not how you got here, it's that you did.

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Thanks for your comment and any information you can share with me would be most appreciated.  My name is Gwenell and have been blessed to have worked 35 years.  I recently had a health issue with my Heart, however, I have not worked for the past ten years and Social Security awarded me SSI two months ago -- go figure.  Can you point me in the direction to get my retirement disability?  I'm 59 and this is all new to me.  I love sharing information on any level; I'm a former Executive Assistant to the President of Bank of America.  May God Bless you and your family.

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The department itself is the best resource.  It's all on line.  You can also go to your local Social Security Office.

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Thank you.

 

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I'm one of a lot of baby boomers having to look back at what we did actually do.  Some of us are finding things about even the crappiest jobs we ever had, that we can now make some extra with.  Yeah.  It ain't easy but it is possible. 

 

Even if you never formally held "jobs", look back.  There are things that wouldn't and didn't, make us a dime then, that fuel ideas today, especially with the internet.  We weren't actually doing "nothing" when we weren't doing anything.

 

 

Don't forget.  Times have changed.  Baby Boomers Rule!

 

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For anyone seeking side income in retirement, my eyes have been opened to so many ways to do that.  It is really limited only by your imagination and your interests. I saw some very good posts about this and the best one I recall is here http://snip.ly/0ljz4.

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A while back I had the good fortune to come across a number of used computers - throw aways from a big company upgrade.  While loading them into my backyard shed the idea popped up that these might help some people.  So, instead of selling all of them, I decided it was worth more to do some community service. 

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After cleaning and reconfiguring a dozen or so of the computers, I loaded them with kid's software - learning stuff.  I found as many single moms as was immediately available in the neighborhood and gave each, one of the computers.  These were mostly Macintosh due to their having better kids software at the time.  Next I went to the community center that served my address and got the administration's permission to finish building their lab.  There were a couple of Windows machines already so these were incorporated into what wound up as a 20 machine lab with server, network, with both Mac and Windows platforms.

In appreciation of the actual work and time involved, the community center was very generous with the amount of the service award.  Time is logged as hours served plus computers.

 

Once done, when the subject of the lab project would come up, a lot, if not most, people ask me what I had "done" to "get" community service.  Community service is a privilege, not a penalty.  The fact that it is used as "punishment" in the judicial system has partially overridden this.

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Thank you for donating those computers to the community.  What a great idea, not everyone can afford to buy one.  I think you should turn those comments around to a positive thought.  Next time someone ask you what you did...ignore the negative responce and ack as if they meant what good thing you did for the community.  That way it might inspire someone else listening, to also do something for the community, with their skills, and projects. Good job!

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I have worked hard all my life. I started working in 1963 when wages were sub par for women. Wages have been lower than men's wages for a vast majority of my working life. Therefore my social security is not as much as men's.  My first job paid me $200.00 a month gross.The most I was ever paid was $8.00 an hour and that was when I was in my late 50's. I had to claim my social security when I became 62 because I became disabled and could no longer work. I am not one of the 'Baby Boomers'. I believe that lower wages for women in that era should be paid more for Social Security. I'm not complaining, just explaining my opinion.

 

Ruby

 

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@rubyprice wrote:

I have worked hard all my life. I started working in 1963 when wages were sub par for women. Wages have been lower than men's wages for a vast majority of my working life. Therefore my social security is not as much as men's.  My first job paid me $200.00 a month gross.The most I was ever paid was $8.00 an hour and that was when I was in my late 50's. I had to claim my social security when I became 62 because I became disabled and could no longer work. I am not one of the 'Baby Boomers'. I believe that lower wages for women in that era should be paid more for Social Security. I'm not complaining, just explaining my opinion.

 

Ruby

 


This is why Social Security benefits need to increase each year to maximum for those who have to claim early.

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Ed.  Terrific post.  It covers all of the bases.  Our political system is bought and paid for.  Our citizens are subjected to ideological propaganda and many are gullible enough to believe it.  Our system is in serious trouble. Americans are so disenchanted that they allow the 1% to rule.  They do not vote.  They do not participate in politics.  They do not contest propaganda.  They do not even follow the logical process of voting for their, and their families, own best interest.  My favorite saying is "God must love stupid people.  He made so many of them."

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With the Electoral College in place there can be no democracy. Scan4732p-200x300 Participate in the process - This is very important.  One is disenfranchised automatically in nonparticipation. - Do your homework, determine the record of anyone claiming to represent you and weigh that on its own merit.  Elect representives who actually represent your interests, even when in conflict with big business and the rich.

Representatives must be drafted/nominated from the people, and by the people, they represent, in order to actually represent the people.  Anything less is politics. 

Elect statesmen, not politicians.

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Why is this so difficult?  Why are those who have, so unwilling to help those who don't, especially without wanting to judge?  How one wound up in need of help is irrelevant.

  • The question is Not how anyone got to retirement without having, but how to remediate it starting Now, without looking at how and/or, especially, why, that individual got here in this shape.
    I think that's called - Non Judgemental.  Remember that one.  It's taken a real beatin since the internet!

 

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There are two things that you left out of your post.

 

The first is that it is illegal to ask how old you are, but every application asks what your birth date is. If you don't fill out the application COMPLETELY employers won't hire you. Most of the time they won't even look at your application. That is there way of getting around asking you how old you are.

 

The second is most all employers do a credit check berfore hiring your and if your credit rating isn't that good you aren't hired. I don't see what your credit rating has to do with the how well you will do your job. If anything it just exacerbates the problem of unemployment and keeps people who desperately a job from getting getting one.

 

Another thing that works against you is having a handicapped person in your family. I have been looked over more than once because of my handicapped daughter They just don't want to have to deal with it, so they just don't hire you. If they find out after they hire you they let you go. They can use any excuse they want and it is very hard to prove that, that is why you were let go. I have had to deal with this for 29 years. So there are some people that didn't have the opportunity to make a retirement plan.

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Dear 78736061,

The employment process is unfriendly to those who go thru the process legally.  Employers use any excuse not to hire someone...age, race, religion, etc.  They claim they are non-discriminatory, but we all know that's not true.

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A big part of the problem is third parties in the employment process - the "recruiters", "temps", "agencies". They are not in the business for your benefit.  They are parasitic partners of the corporate giants who have shown themselves to be detrimental to the worker and especially, to the job hunter.

 

Regulation is part of the answer.  Elimination is a much better answer.

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