proof of citizenship

[CeeteeS952438]

I've been hearing and reading that Social Security cards would not be considered proof of citizenship.  This does not make sense.  First, non-citizens who have the right to work in the U.S. have a special designation on the cards, whereas those who don't have the right to work cannot obtain the cards;  only actual citizens have cards without special designations.

Second, when I initially applied for and received a card, it was specifically for the purpose of proof-of-citizenship- a class in high school was taking a trip to Canada, our teacher said we might be asked for proof at the border, and said it'd be easier to obtain Social Security cards than to haul around our birth certificates.

What changed????  

[JenniferL210579]

I’ve heard about this too, and it seems the rules have shifted over time. From what I understand, a Social Security card alone no longer counts as proof of citizenship because both citizens and non-citizens with work authorization can have them. These days, passports or birth certificates are required for official proof. It’s definitely confusing, especially since years ago teachers and officials treated SS cards as enough.

[GailL1]

@JenniferL210579 

Social Security cards have NEVER been used for citizenship - they are used only for their work classification (or on-work) in the US - different type cards are for different types of workers or even non-workers,

SSA.gov - Types of Social Security Cards 

If you have a REAL ID that shows your citizenship status and your proven identity.  Any change made after issue of a REAL ID will require the issuance of a new SS card and a REAL ID - change could be anything from a name change for even divorce or marriage or legal change, citizenship change via the DHS would also require a new SS card and a REAL ID.  Passport too.

[papawofboo]

From day one, which was many years ago, I was told it wasn't an ID card. Only reason I can come up with as to why it isn't is because there is no picture taking or finger printing. 

[GailL1]

@papawofboo 

Yep, the closest thing we have to a national ID is the new REAL ID and people fought that tooth and nail - that why it took us almost 20 years to get it in every state for flying purposes.  

Citizens and Lawfully present noncitizens can get a REAL ID, including permanent residents, refugees, and those with approved asylum applications, but they must provide proof of their lawful status along with other required documents like proof of identity and state residency. Undocumented noncitizens generally cannot get a REAL ID because they do not meet the requirement of demonstrating lawful status in the U.S

For people that have done a lot of changes in their life like name changes, the Real ID is difficult to get unless one has kept up with all their documents - I call these a person’s permanent records.  

Same with the Social Security number - when one gets their work permit, they have to pay those taxes - income as well as employment taxes.

[GailL1]

@CeeteeS952438 

Social Security cards have NEVER been used for citizenship - they are used only for their work classification in the US - different type cards are for different types of workers or even non-workers,

SSA.gov - Types of Social Security Cards 

You use a Social Security card to provide proof of your Social Security number (SSN) when applying for a job, opening a bank account, applying for a driver's license, receiving government benefits, or filing taxes. The card serves as an official verification of your SSN and is not a primary form of identification or a guarantee of citizenship.

The Social Security number (SSN) was created in 1936 for the sole purpose of tracking the earnings histories of U.S. workers, for use in determining Social Security benefit entitlement and computing benefit levels.

SSA.gov - Story of the Social Security Number 

It is just the closest thing we have to a national ID number for identifying people across different boundaries - used by the SSA as well as the IRS. 

[SereneSeagull]

Maybe for minors it might’ve  been.  I was reading history about it on ss webpage and it’s quite interesting to read the inception and changes that have taken place.