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CalEpa may he tough by some standards but it is not tough when it comes to fluoridation. Most cities near rivers in CA and Nevada dump treated wastewater into  rivers. I've complained but to no avail. Now fluoridatjon makrd the practice more problematic because the sanitizing does not remove fluoride. 

The fact is that CalEpa will do and has done absolutely nothing but support cities that fluoridate   their citizens because nor to do so would be taking on the U. S. CDC. and calepa wont do it. We have tried to get them to for many years. 

 If you think you can achieve something with them then please do so. 

 

Richard Sauerheber, Ph.D.
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And the EPA and state agencies under it decide maximum contaminant levels for humans .not for salmon. No one knows how much arsenic and lead and other contaminants in combination that are in fluoridation chemicals that are needed before salmon runs collapse. The EPA doesn't have the data to act on fluoridated wastewater for salmon

 

 

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Municipalities are not allowed to write their own discharge permits.  It's that simple. 

 

If there was any evidence that municipal discharge from a fluoridated community posed any threat to the environment, the State would have the authority to shut it down.

 

I gather from your answer that you have not contacted the California Environmental Protection Agency or the DTSC with your grave concerns.  These are some of the toughest environmental agencies in the world, and you haven't taken advantage of them?  

 

Why is that?

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As long as the EPA prohibits discharges of known regulated contaminants, such as arsenic and lead, cities agree to comply. But when it was decided not to prohibit infusions of the fluoride EPA contaminant at an allowed level,  then cities decided on their own how to act. Some allow fluoridation, others dont. The state mandate convinced many to comply. But just like the titanic, passengers followed instructions from the crew but only until it became dangerous and the  it was everyone had to defend oneself and family. Similarly for fluoridation cities must and most do go on their own. 

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City municipal efflueluent requires a State discharge permit.  California environmental laws are more strict than federal laws.  Neither the FDA nor the EPA has anything to do with municipal discharge permits.  

 

RS:  "Letters from the state EPA repeat what the Federal EPA Office of Water says  Which is they are not responsible for fluoridation but if a city decides to do so they do not prohibit it."

 

The California EPA may not be responsible for fluoridation, but they are responsible for discharge into the environment.  If there was merit to your claim, they could shut down municipal discharge of fluoridated water in a heart-beat.

 

I gather from your answer that you have not contacted the California Environmental Protection Agency's DTSC whose Mission Statement reads:  "The mission of DTSC is to protect California’s people and environment from harmful effects of toxic substances by restoring contaminated resources, enforcing hazardous waste laws, reducing hazardous waste generation, and encouraging the manufacture of chemically safer products."

 

I find it amazing that someone who is so hell-bent on proving that fluoridated water is harmful to the environment, who has at his fingertips, an agency which has, "Over 1,000 scientists, engineers, toxicologists, chemists, geologists, attorneys, criminal investigators and administrative staff," has not bothered to contact that agency with his grave concerns.  And this is an agency which is tasked with investigating and enforcing some of the strictest environmental laws in the world. 

 

Why is it that you haven't even brought this matter to the attention of one of the toughest environmental agencies in the world, whose sole purpose it to assist you and your environmental concerns?   

 

 

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This has been a long ongoing problem. The CA DPH and CA Environmental protection agency has accepted what CDC officials have declared, that fluoridation is requested to he done.

Letters from the state EPA repeat what the Federal EPA Office of Water says  Which is they are not responsible for fluoridation but if a city decides to do so they do not prohibit it. The Office of water states that the responsibility lies with the FDA. 

City discharges require a NPDES permit yes. But all cities have their own excuse for discharging fluoridated water. Most say incorrectly that they have the permit but such permits are supposed to be temporary. (for cleaning and maintenance issues for example)   not permanent permits. Some cities argue that fluoride is. A Food and needs no permit. Every city is different. 

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Thank you for your input, Carry Anne.  

 

Considering the fact that California has some of the strictest environmental laws in the world, certainly in the United States, and since the State of California is responsible for issuing discharge permits, I was curious about Dr. Sauerheber's concerns regarding discharge from South Sacramento into the Sacramento River.  

 

I would be interested in whether or not he contacted California's Department of Environmental Protection, specifically the DTSC, and what the reply from that department was.  

 

Is there anything objectionable with the question?

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"Regulatory gaps are lobbyist created Grand Canyons designed to cheat the system.” - Erin Brockovich (2016)

 

Plenty of things are legal that are not scientifically justified. Asbestos products and leaded gasoline were legal until they weren't. California is rewriting the book on glyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto's herbicide sold as RoundUp which is used heavily on GMO foods. Following the recent $289m judgment against Monsanto in a CA court for maliciously deceiving the public regarding purported 'safety' that resulted in one man's terminal cancer, I expect there will be more changes across the country. 

 

The details of the Monsanto trial mirror the banning of public smoking because of the risk to vulnerable populations. Tobacco fought that one all the way. Second hand smoke bans are an apt analogy for fluoridaton opposition. 

 

Fluoridation is an immoral medical mandate that pollutes a shared resource necessary to life with a toxin that compromises the health of vulnerable populations as well as poses an environmental threat to other species. 

AARP should be a leader in opposing fluoridation policy based on evidence and ethics. 

 

Erin Brockovich on fluoridation

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RS, your comment:  "This is what happens when cities let dental officials control what is allowed in public waterways."

 

Cities have nothing to do with it.

 

The State of California issues Discharge Permits.  If you have a concern you should contact the California Environmental Protection Agency.  Specifically, you should contact the DTSC.  You should know this already.  

 

If you do know this, please provide the text of the letter you sent to that office, and I would be interested in seeing the reply that was sent to you.

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It is insane that a "river" this small has a discharge tube that dumps the city's sanitized but fluoridated waste water into it. This is what happens when cities let dental officials control what is allowed in public waterways. The late Dr. A. A. Benson said this also, after he learned that San Diego began fluoridating the city even though citizens voted twice against it. Dr. Benson discovered the carbon fixation reaction in plant photosynthesis, the Calvin Benson cycle. He is sorely missed. 

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