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You are not alone in your experience.  One of the new "schemes" I have encountered to avoid interviewing qualified candidates that don't match a very specific hiring demographic are

  • Hiring organization pulls the job after you have applied and encourage you to reapply later. 
  • We have decided not to fill the position at this time and then you will see the position posted again within a few weeks with a different posting number. 

Even after reapplying you still aren't interviewed.

 

I wish you the best in your search and encourage you to persist.  

 

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 Yes, AArP. You've got your work cut out for you.

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Again with the condescending statements. ,some old coot?
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Surprised you would say someone is too stupid to figure that out. Condescending.
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@robinsjr, sorry to hear but I am not at all surprised.  What you are experiancing is normal.  If you can't wow them off their feet the next best younger person gets the position.  There is a strong adversion to older persons.  You actually have the best chance in a super challanging position where the employer can't afford to have the wrong person in that position.  The trouble is you need to appear unbelievably tallented in areas they can't find competency. You need to have an amazing resme.  You seem to have that since you get interviews.  Then you need to blow them away at the interview.  Still, you are a long shot.

 

You have to convince them that it would be a huge mistake to let you go.  You have to ask the right questions as well as answer all yours spot on.  It is probing questions that shake them up in a good way.  Most canadates are just trying not to screw up while I try to show I can make a positive difference in their company.  I take extensive notes on each meeting which are complete before I leave the parking lot.  I am a programmer with expertise is several languages.  My notes for questions asked for my best language is 35 pages.  I have 15-20 pages for other languages. I rewiew these several times before the interview. They did want me and tried to shoe horn me into several spots.  I bring them to the interview.  Once I learned the technical part of the inretview was over the phone and I was left alone with all my notes.  I impressed the hell out of them, I still didn't get that job because there was a change of funding. I had a few job interviews with tests for the technical part.  Again, I was left alone. I also have about 6 pages of questions.  I have the different responces to those questions.  The ones that  provide the most excitement are at the top of my list or bolded.  Some times you need several set up questions before hitting them with your big guns.  You need to see their strenghts and weaknesses in an area you can influence then propose how your strengths might help them out.

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I am turning 60 and have been looking for employment for over 8-10 years. Applied for over 100 different jobs and currently those positions in which I applied are now being occupied by someone who is approximately half my age with little to no experience. (I went back and checked as many as possible...) The interviews that I recieve are cursory interviews because I "checked a couple of boxes". Advance degree black male with 30 yrs of experience in the public and private sector in higher level management. The assumption is that, I am over qualified, running away from something, or I make too much money and the latter is very amusing. 

 

All of this is some what ironic since I am the person that investigates discrimination.

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@sm5972,  I forgot a few things.

1 An employer has the right to see if you have a bone through your nose..

2. 9 months is short for someone over 50.  The average is over a year but you are an engineer. The average hunt time was 3-5 years for someone over 60.  The economy is a lot better but you really can't gage until you are job hunting.  Then reality crashes in like a ton of bricks.   Think of those persons who have been hunting for over 5 years. They are retired but are too stupid to figure that out.

 

You figured out how to play the game.  You opt how much history is in your resume.

 

I thought unemployment only lasted 6 months.  I must be out of touch after handing a perment job at 67. This is my last job.  I don't need to work anymore.  I don't mind working but I hate job hunting after 65, it gets very discriminatory. 

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Don't hold your breath...

 

By law, your employer must supply some of that information to the Dept of Labor for their statistics. 

 

I don't provide that information for anything except for the job application unless I am forced to.  Then I lie without skipping a beat.  I always am truthful on the application but I have discovered the right hand rarely tells the left what it is doing.  I have never gotten dinged by telling the truth on applications or on security forms.  I have never been dinged for lying.  I have had several discussions about that at interviews.  I claim I solve problems.  My task was to get an interview and I did.  I didn't opt to be tossed out over a silly age discrimination carried out by your HR.  I think I am the best you can find.  That works pretty well.  I also have references to back that up.

 

I doubt they will be able to punish you for lying to the recruter since they are not supposed to ask those questions in the first place.  They will be caught in a catch 22.  Normally you can't prove age discrimination because it is your word agaist theirs but if they complain they help your case.  I wouldn't think twice about fighting them and I bet I will win.  Any company that stupid needs to learn a lesson and some old coot gets money and punishes the guilty.

 

A good bit of the age stuff is just to weed out old fools and that works well.  I know 3 men who were successfully prevented into getting back into the work force because they figured they knew better than the company who they should hire.  Most old folks have bad additudes like you.  You want the world to conform to your wishes not the other way around.  If you are not smart enough to play the game, why should they hire an old fool?  They don't!

 

Coders age out younger than engineers so age discrimination is intense for us. 

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Legislation is needed to remove all implications of age in hiring: 

NO video interviews (determines age, race, sex)

NO video submissions

NO electronic forms requiring dates of employment

NO more than 10 years of history required.

NO requirement of graduation dates on electronic forms 

 

I was able to find another engineering job at 56 after layoff and 9 months of unemployment - no severance from previous employer (most engineering companies operate this way). Although I had Younged-up the resume, there were so many electronic forms that required full dates, that there was no way to avoid them.  Complete fodder for discrimination.  AARP - there is the platform; just need some support.  

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@KimC575863, actually job hunting is a completely different world.  It is quite inferior to 20-30 years ago.  They used to try for the most qualified but that is too much work.  How they settle for a qualified person.  If you don't completely understand key word search for resumes you need to.  That is what selects whos resume goes into the trash which is 90-95% of them.  I remember listening to just how bad key word searches can go.  A company was looking to fill an extreme math position.  The guy who invented that math and got the Noble Prize applied but didn't get an interview.  The keyword search trashed his resume.  Being the world's expert he called them up and asked why he didn't get an interview.  He was kicked out because he didn't mention algabra in his resume.  Longer resumes often get better key word scores. Mine is 4 pages long.  Longer resumes need to be scannable, If it takes them more than a second or 2 to find what they want your resume gets trashed.  If you are not getting at least a phone interview it is because your resume isn't good enough.  If your resume isn't right you will be clueless because it always winds up in the trash. No one will ever call you to say how poor it is you just never get a job or an interview.  My resume startd with a professional rewrite then it needed 5 more revisions before I started to get at least phone interviews.  I would always ask about my resume, was it good enough.  Once you are getting calls it is much easier to fine tune your resume. There is huge stratigies for fine tuning your resume.  The first 1/4 page of your 1st page needs to indicate you are a bonified canidate.  The rest of the resume backs that up.  The formatting should make it easy to scan.  A well constructed resume begs an interview.  Only smart persons have that killer resume.  That is who you want working for you.

 

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