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Masterpiece's "Victoria" - Season 3 .. and a Companion Series "Victoria and Albert: The Wedding"

Next Monday (1/13) .. or sometime next week on everyone's local PBS station, "Victoria" is back:

 

"It is 1848, and revolution is breaking out across Europe. In Britain, one woman stands between order and chaos: Queen Victoria. Jenna Coleman stars as the young but fearless monarch, facing a crisis that threatens to end her reign"

 

"Victoria" Season 3 Trailer

 

[I thought I recognized James Fox in the trailer; he played DS James Hathaway on the "Inspector Lewis" series]

 

And after "Victoria" on Sunday nights, Lucy Worsley hosts a new series, "Victoria and Albert: The Wedding"

 

"Enjoy a recreation of the wedding that changed British matrimonial ceremonies forever. This series, hosted by Lucy Worsley, celebrates an enduring love that was to melt the nation's heart and set the standard for generations of brides to come."


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So ... what did you think of the seaon finale? Some issues resolved, but others left slightly hanging. Do you think that the Duchess of Monmouth will run off with Joseph, or leave him "waiting at the station"? I was surprised by the issue that finally allowed Albert to see Feodora for the self-centered & manipulative woman she was. Lord Palmerston's career is evolving; I'm glad his wife Emily has moved to London, to be part of that!

 

It's interesting to see the "power" available to the lady's maids of the nobility, based on their access to & class-crossing intimacy with their "bosses". Women like Anna on "Downton Abbey", and now both Skerrett and Abigail Turner. Turner probably saved Sophie's life!


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It didn't seem like the typical season finale in that they left quite a bit hanging in the balance, so a lot of hooks remain for the next season. 

 

I thought it was purely royal the way Victoria handled the Duke of Monmouth, first commanding Sophie's presence at the exhibition and then abruptly dismissing him! Then Mr Penge threw the money at his feet when he saw that Joseph really had Sophie's welfare at heart. Though Victoria knows full well what has happened, she only speaks subtlety to offer Sophie a house in town where she may live with her son. Victoria seems to realize that Sophie would someday come to regret leaving her son behind. And even though Sophie is practically going out the door when her son stops her, I don't think that she can leave him behind with Monmouth, thus leaving Joseph alone at the station. They seem to be bound as the star-crossed lovers of this story.

 

I thought for sure that Victoria would dismiss Feodoro and send her packing, but she didn't. So what match will they make for Heidi? She seemed charmed by the Prussian that Albert favored. Yes, Albert seemed very surprised to learn from Bertie what Feo was up to. Bertie was so cute with his proposal to Heidi. He seemed to pick up quickly how royalty operates!

 

Now Albert has collapsed, presumably from exhaustion. He doesn't become ill until a few years later, but this may have left him in a weaker state than perhaps was realized at the time. 

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Your post reminded me how annoyed I was by the time the finale started. I was excited to see that the episode was supposed to run 90 minutes, not the standard 60 minutes .. but then realized my PBS channel decided to tie the finale to a membership drive! So it turned out to be 15 minutes of begging for money, with various people responsible for Masterpiece Theater repeating the same thing over & over again .. but being stuck watching, because I didn't know how long it would last. And then the episode ended 60 minutes after it started .. so they could beg some more for membership! So in effect it wasn't a longer episode at all, since there was close to 30 minutes of begging for donations!

 

I think you're correct that Sophie won't run away with Joseph, but I wonder if she'd meet him at the station just to explain why to him. It reminded me very much of "Lady Chatterley's Lover", where Lady Chatterley falls in love with the roughish gamekeeper, after her husband becomes disabled in WWI. He tells her to meet him at the pier for crossing to Canada, but has no idea if she'll do it or not. In his case, she did show up & the ship captain married them!

 

Heidi married Frederick VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein. If you really want to get confused, read up about him on Wikipedia; the relationships between dynasties in Denmark & Germany were pretty entwined!

 

 


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@MaVolta , @ASTRAEA ...

I had to Google right at the end of the show to check on Albert's health situation at the time. I knew they couldn't kill him off so soon. Cat LOL 

As for Sophie, I was so sure she would turn back when her son came down the stairs. How could she leave him?

They gave us a lot of things to speculate over...It looked to me as Joseph was at the station looking for Sophie he may have spotted her, but what I was hoping was that she had her son with her. Heart Would the Duke be able to say she kidnapped him? Would he send minions to America to find them?

For sure Abigail saved Sophie's life!

Even old Penge had a change of heart!

Poor little Bertie, pining for Heidi. But thank goodness he told Albert of Feo's plan for her!

Heidi did seem happy with the guy Albert introduced her to.

Hate that we have to wait almost a year to find out what happens. N.

 

 

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There's one other thing that doesn't seem to fit the story, and that's the whole Feodoro jealousy thing with Victoria. The "mom liked you best" part is not so unusual between siblings, but why would Feodoro have thought that she was entitled to the crown of England? Victoria inherited the crown through her father, not her mother. Seems a bit weird for the story line to suggest that Feo was somehow denied the crown in favor of Victoria because of "mama". 

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@MaVolta - Although half of Germany seemed to have noble titles, I think some of them had a title, but not that much land or money. So Feodora - possibly in retrospect as a middle-aged woman - felt that she would have made a better/wealthier match if her mother kept her in England, than adding more family ties to less affluent distant relatives in Germany & middle Europe. 


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@ASTRAEA 

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Did you read the fact or fiction this week? Turns out that Napoleon III did make a proposal offer to Heidi's parents, but they declined because Victoria and Albert were both opposed to it. 

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@MaVolta Thanks for mentioning that; I didn't check the "fact or fiction" this time.


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Last night they had last week's episode on at 8 pm, followed by the new episode .. so I was able to catch up!

 

Wow; Nell Hudson - the actress who played Nancy Skerrett Francatelli - must have wanted to move on professionally, since Skerrett didn't just leave the Palace to marry, but died of cholera! I didn't see that coming, and I wonder if that means that Mr. Francatelli will be out too, with less of a connection to the palace now?!

 

How far do you think things will go between the Duke & Duchess of Monmouth .. and Joseph? I actually don't think there was a "Duke of Monmouth" at that time. There was a 1st Duke of Monmouth in the 17th century, but he was beheaded for treason, and his children didn't inherit the title. So that allows the series to make up whatever storyline they want about the Monmouths, or perhaps they're a composite of several other real couples.

 

I'm really getting annoyed at Princess Feodora, with her manipulation of both Victoria & Albert. 

 

Were you surprised about Bertie's tutor?

 

 


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@ASTRAEA ...Yes, I watched the whole previous episode again, and cried again when Nancy died.

UGH...I really hate the Duke of Monmouth, but don't want anything to happen to the Duchess, so I hope her husband doesn't hear about it. Joseph is certainly not bad on the eyes! Cat Wink

 

I've never liked Feodora and wish she'd go back to Germany or wherever she came from.

 

As for Bertie's tutor...I had my suspicions from the moment he smiled at Bertie during the introduction, and I was trying to Google on my phone during the show to see if I could find anything about Mr. Cane/Caine (sp?) At the introduction when Victoria said she hoped his name had nothing to do with his way of teaching, my brain prickled and I started thinking about it. Then when Bertie spoke to Albert in French I wondered... So glad Victoria stormed in on them. N.

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The duchess and Joseph have been eyeing each other for a while, so it was just a matter of time . . . Palmerston is onto them, however, and seems to be threatening to hold it over her some way. For himself, maybe? What did surprise me was the open marriage between Palmerston and Emily. As it turns out, that was true! I had a suspicion about Bertie's tutor when one of the servants said to Princess Victoria (breakfast scene) that he did not like him, and after Feodora refused to comment saying something like, it wasn't polite. I did think it was funny about Feodora and the man who came to her seeking an appointment to whatever it was. And then he got it! Feodora admiring her pearls!

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@MaVolta  - I think Palmerston is a realist, and knows what an SOB the Duke of Monmouth is .. and would be, should the Duchess be caught in an affair. If she didn't come from a wealthy family, he could ruin all of them by throwing her out with nothing to her name.


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@MaVolta  - I think Palmerston is a realist, and knows what an SOB the Duke of Monmouth is .. and would be, should the Duchess be caught in an affair. If she didn't come from a wealthy family, he could ruin all of them by throwing her out with nothing to her name.


Good point! He'd do it in a heartbeat. Worse yet, she would never see her son again. She's got to be thinking about that. 

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@MaVolta - There have been so many novels & PBS TV series, about 18th & 19th century European nobility, where very wealthy & powerful husbands controlled their wife's every move .. the proverbial "bird in a gilded cage", often using their children as leverage. In "Anna Karenina," it leads to an affair, disgrace from Society, and her eventual suicide.


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Re: the latest episode, #6...

Since Albert first appeared in Season One, I have disliked him. Now, with every episode my dislike grows. Victoria is the queen, how can he put her (and Bertie's) intelligence down so often? That scene with the "head" guy...(is that called phrenology?) was ugly, and then to say to her face that she didn't have the intelligence...??? How did she love him?

And I'm really getting sick of Feodora! N.

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@catwoman500 - To be fair, we can't measure anyone living 150 years ago, using today's social standards. It had to be very difficult for a man married to such a powerful woman, in the middle of the 19th century, and there were no defined responsibilities for Albert, for which he could be known for his own accomplishments. I think that things were different before Feodora showed up, and Victoria had 6+ children. With Albert feeling non-productive & under-appreciated, he was fodder for someone as manipulative as Feodora. She's even found the ultimate leverage to protect herself from Lord Palmerston .. who definitely has her number! I was thrilled when Victoria finally said what she thought about her "frenemy" half-sister to Albert, but so disappointed that he's too blinded by what he must see as Feodora's confidences with him. I keeping hoping that he'll come to his senses in the next episode!

 

Phrenology was one of those pseudo-sciences of past centuries, that a surprisingly large number of educated & intelligent people believed .. until they were debunked later on. We can only make fun of Albert because we have 20/20 hindsight, about how ridiculous it really was.


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I finally got caught up on this one. There's certainly a lot of drama going on!

 

I believe the relationship of a strained Albert and Victoria is being overdramatized. They did have disagreements, and she did have a temper, but there is nothing to suggest that they ever came to the brink of a marital breakdown. Victoria truly adored Albert, and he was very protective of her and the royal family.

 

After the death of Lord Melbourne, Albert served as both her private secretary and most trusted advisor. He was especially helpful in matters that required diplomacy. It was Albert who wanted the royal family to appear more "normal" and set a strong moral example of family life, thus what was to become the Victorian era

 

Poor Bertie! Perhaps he was just ADD or AD/HD. Sure sounds like it since it is similar to my experience being ADD. He did go on to study at both Cambridge and Oxford. 

 

Then there is the Duke and Duchess of Monmouth, and the costume ball. That was just plain eerie! Looks like the present Duchess may be headed the same direction as the earlier one. At least this part is fiction!

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@MaVolta , @catwoman500 - Did you watch last night's episode; next week is the end of the season! I think that Lord Palmerston gave Victoria a good suggestion, that may have turned the tide on her problems with both Feodora & Albert .. that she should turn her enemy into an ally! Just by inviting Feodora to tea & then offering to do something for her (bring daughter Heidi to England), maybe Feodora will be too busy trying to find a rich husband for Heidi, to meddle in Victoria's marriage! 

 

What did you think of Victoria's suggestion that Albert replace the retiring Duke of Wellington as Commander-in-Chief, because she thought that was a more important position, than the exposition? I personally thought it was ridiculous, but typical .. Wellington's entire glorious career was in the military; what 1st hand experience did Albert have? If anything, he would have been way out of his depth! I think she felt that since it was a time of peace, he could be an efficient administrator reorganizing the military .. but never considered how he'd manage leading them in a war.

 

I think the Duchess of Monmouth was very foolish & courted danger with Joseph, but it should be fascinating to see how the Duke's plan to have her committed to an asylum plays out. No one at court has any respect for him, so his plan may backfire. I seem to think that he once made a comment that it was her money that bailed them out .. so that would just show how women - even wealthy married women - could be so controlled by their husbands.


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@ASTRAEA  @catwoman500 

 

They packed a lot into that 1-hour segment, didn't they?

 

Palmerston seems to have redeemed himself with Victoria. His advice was solid, and things are looking up for Feodora. Yes, it will be fun to see her go husband-hunting for Heidi! Now she's looking to Palmerston for advice!

 

It was puzzling to me that the Duke of Wellington seemed to suggest Albert as his replacement rather than promoting a trained successor from the ranks. Again, Victoria was struggling with public opinion, and this position might better serve to elevate the Prince in the eyes of the people. But, she also learned from Palmerston that public opinion could be changed with strength and resolve, and decided to support Albert and his project which would become a monumental success. 

 

Poor Duchess, she seemed surprised that so many at the palace knew about her affair, and were stopping by to give her advice. I suspect the thought of running away to America, or perhaps anywhere that Joseph might take her, was very frightening. Giving up her luxury status had apparently not crossed her mind. I hadn't thought about her evil minded husband having her committed to an asylum, although that did seem to be a practice used by the aristocracy for ridding themselves of spouses or other inconvenient or embarrasing relatives.

 

So now, will Victoria set Palmerston on Monmouth? I can't see her not putting up a fight over this. And what of Joseph? Or if it all spills out, will Victoria even hold Pence to account? 

 

Yes, it seems like they are just getting revved up and next week it ends the season! 

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@MaVolta I had to watch that part of the episode again online, to see how Albert's name came up, in Wellington's talk with Victoria, about replacing him. Since we've already seen how the show has taken liberties with historical fact, it may not surprise us to learn that irl Wellington remained Commander-in-Chief until his death. 

 

The more research I do, just to get the chronology correct, the more "liberties" I discover the show has taken! For example, I wanted to get a feel for when that conversation concerning his "retirement" took place. He retired from politics (House of Lords) in 1946, but remained C-in-C. That discussion had to be shortly before the Crystal Palace Exhibition (1851). Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington died September 1952 .. so he didn't last much longer. He was succeeded by Vicount Henry Hardinge, another career veteran of several wars & polititian .. so the idea that Prince Albert could fill Wellington's shoes couldn't have been taken seriously.

 

My guess (hope) is that the situation is arranged so that the Duke of Monmouth makes a grievous mistake, and falls into a pile of doo-doo on his own, so that no one's to blame for his downfall.


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@ASTRAEA  - Yes, they do put drama ahead of facts when it's convenient! Cat Surprised

 

Thanks for the info on Duke of Wellington, interesting to follow the history!

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Yes, I do think that Feodora will be so occupied with Heidi being there that she may keep her nose out of Victoria and Albert's business.

 

Albert seemed to be having problems with the exposition, so Victoria may have thought that offering him the Duke's position would take his mind off the exposition? I did think it was rather odd though considering he had no experience.

 

The idea that creepy Monmouth would think of having Sophie committed never entered my mind. I sure hope that falls through. Wouldn't Victoria question Sophie's absence? Would she believe anything Monmouth gave as an excuse?

 

Is Penge just counting his money or thinking of some other devious plan that will make him more?

 

It seems like this season just started and now it's coming to an end already.

 

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@catwoman500 - I just found an interesting article about Feodora, so you can see how much the TV series deviates from reality!

 

I never thought Monmouth would try to have her committed either! I wonder what will happen to Joseph? Joseph & Sophie were so obvious, just about all the palace regulars knew what was going on .. and warned both of them. So I think Penge was just an opportunist, since he didn't really have to sneak around or research what Sophie was doing.

 

The season did seem very short, didn't it!


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@ASTRAEA ...Wow! What a difference reality makes! Wonder why they made Feodora so unlikeable in this series. Probably to have more drama, I suppose.

I just read somewhere that Sophie was not Joseph's first duchess! HA! Maybe Joseph is an opportunist as well! Cat LOL

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@catwoman500 I think you're right about creating more drama between Victoria & Feodora .. who seemed to be very close in real life! 

 

I was surprised when Joseph mentioned prospecting for gold in America; and that might have scared Sophie. Truth is, that she was used to a very cushy life as a lady-in-waiting to the Queen, and had she had a discrete affair with someone who wasn an equal to Monmouth, it might have all been hushed up. After the excitement of running off to America - penniless - how much fun would it be for her to be camped out in a mining camp in the rough & tumble west?

 

There are numerous 19th century romances, where people of noble birth had very public affairs or ran away from marriages, and were totally ostracized from polite society, lost access to their young children, were cut off from family funds, and things only went downhill from there. Anna Karenina eventually commit suicide, and both lovers commit suicide/homicide in Elvira Madigan (which was taken from a true story).

 

 


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@ASTRAEA ...Did you see this from Masterpiece? Check out the fact and fiction from the last episode:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/specialfeatures/victoria-s3-e6-fact-or-

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@catwoman500 Thank you for posting it! I was annoyed when I got the e-mail the other day, that when I got onto the website, the video wasn't working yet, and I didn't get back to it later.


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@ASTRAEA , I got that same message and tried to go back to it twice with no results. This link was from another PBS email I get that is strictly Victoria. So many things; so little time!!!  Cat Wink N.

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@catwoman500 - I got an e-mail the other day, announcing that Grantchester was returning, but I don't remember when. I couldn't stand that married woman with whom he was involved, or his lack of self-control concerning her. I stopped watching after the 1st season!


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