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Re: Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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@Epster, I moved away from your posts many moons ago.  When they're dropped into my inbox through a forgotten subscription and I happen to read your latest epistles, sometimes  a comment is in order.

 

The people you "use" as examples may have no problem being profiled in a news or magazine article...it's purely a personal choice. 

 

Many disabled persons don't even think of themselves as "disabled"--rather they have come to feel they are "differently" abled as opposed to "able-bodied."  Therein lies the rub.  There are solid numbers of disabled persons who go back to read articles they agreed to and wince at how they come across after a cold reading.  

 

Many of them later understand that, even though they are proud of their own achievements (and they certainly should be!) able-bodied others who need a push will look to them as an inspiration.  That's all well and good but, as I noted before, the unspoken message becomes one of, "if that girl or guy with all of the limitations s/he has can do that, it should be no problem for me."

 

As is heard so often in the disability community..."you wouldn't understand"unless you experienced it for yourself.  You hear what you WANT to hear.  The community of disabled people wants to be their own inspiration...not yours, nor the reporter or the freelance writer who needs to write a "human interest" or "feel-good" story.  

 

When you make a sweeping statement that needs a little background...and you must admit that you have left things out in the past...IF I have some knowledge of the topic, I will post it and pull no punches.  The chips fall...it happens to all of us at one time or another.  One becomes accustomed to it.  Nobody's perfect...least of all me. 

 

You speak often of your unfortunate childhood and your pride in overcoming it as if that sets you apart from everyone else.  You are to be commended for your fortitude and desire to succeed.  Adversity belongs to all of us, however.  As much as you beat the drum and grab people by the shirttails to listen to your message self-improvement, there are others here who already have a good plan in place...have you given that any thought? 

 

So go ahead, make your comments & criticisms and blame it on my "attitude" or whatever.  I have broad shoulders and I can take it.  I answer you with honesty because you choose to engage.  You don't have to respond.

 

As far as my saying you have been disingenuous.  You might take a long look back and read some of your comments & responses...not only to me but to others you have chosen to engage with. You make the choice to engage...to explain yourself.  If you've gotten to that point, others whose toes you've stepped on aren't interested in hearing it.  Have you ever wondered why you feel misunderstood?  Let your actions speak louder than your words.

 

I was told by a wise woman once that, as women, we are going to be misunderstood.  "Never make excuses, never explain and be quick to offer a sincere apology.  That, your pearls and your passport will take you anywhere."  Good advice.  Clear, succinct and delivered with a bit of humor...also true.

 

You appear to have made it your mission to establish your presence all over this website.  That's quite ambitious.  With a challenge like that, surely you must expect some pushback or disagreement at times.  You will find that intelligent people can disagree with you and that both of you can be right.  You will find that some topics you just love are tedious to others and that they will tend to avoid them.  That's not necessarily aimed at you but you still appear to take it personally.  Even more tedious...

 

Spare me the sweet words & advice.  Sincerity works best.  I do not regularly read your posts and I am not trying to ambush you.  Have you ever heard the term "microaggressions?"  Google it if you haven't and are interested in learning how one's words can be...well, not as nice as they seem.  

 

 

"Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness." ~ Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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@Prosecco6247  Sorry for the delay in response. I just saw this.

 

Thanks for the article. With its closing stanza, I rest my case:

 

"Isbell said another reason is that many people with disabilities question why it is wrong that they inspire people. “It’s not wrong if you actually inspire people for doing something good and having achievements,” Isbell said. “But when it’s linked just to your disability, that’s where the 
problem is.”

 

 

No where have I ever lauded a disabled person for doing a mundane, routine thing. Where one of the senior athlete stories I'm reposting is about an athlete that is disabled, the disability is not the point. The achievement of deciding on and reaching a fitness goal is the point.

 

As to people in this community having their own workable exercise plans: I'm sure of that. At the same time the obesity and sedentary issues in our country are enormous. Clearly, your statement does not cover everyone here, nor does it cover those who have yet to join us. I'm sending out love letters to a particular market segment. If you identify yourself as outside that group, perhaps the best thing would be to simply move on, eh?

 

You have called me disingenuous at least four times in the past nine months. Labels are tricky things, aren't they? This one in particular, as it goes to motivation. You do not know me well enough to label me accurately. When I send well wishing I mean it. Deal with it. Smiley Happy

 

Have a beautiful weekend.

 

And hey, wish me well: I'm going for gold medals 10 and 11 next week. Woot! Smiley Happy

 

 

 

 

"The key to success is to keep growing in all areas of life - mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical." Julius Erving
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Re: Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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Once again, I will reiterate that these reflections are not all about you and your personal aspirations.  I think your cause is a worthy one and is of interest to many seniors who are serious about maintaining their physical health & conditioning.   Whatever your "personal" goals, I have no interest in pursuing that issue.

 

I am addressing a singular disrespect you show a certain segment of the population through a lack of understanding of their lives and causes.  

 

I am making these comments because, once again, you have taken a story and used it to advance your goals without understanding the damaging attitudes you are thoughtlessly spreading simply because you "just don't get it."  You appear to be blinded by your own ambition.

 

I will include a link that may help you better understand why your "spotlighting" spreads misunderstanding and frustration for a very large group of people who would rather you do not use them in this way to help you further your own aims and ambitions.

 

It's called "Inspirational Porn."  I can assure you that the following article is one of many written over the years by members and friends of the "Disability Community." 

 

http://www.cw.ua.edu/article/2016/12/inspiration-porn-a-look-at-the-objectification-of-the-disabled-...

 

The article above references a particular TED Talk about "Inspiration Porn."  For readers of this discussion board who prefer visual aids, I can highly recommend this talk by an articulate young lady who is not afraid to share her thoughts.  You may come away with information that is strikingly different that what you thought was the acceptable norm.  In this video, she unabashedly explains the "Social Model of Disability" and gives humorous examples of why it just does not work.  You just may come away smiling to yourself when you later reflect on her insights.

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/stella_young_i_m_not_your_inspiration_thank_you_very_much#t-540583

 

It is disingenuous of you to point out that the people who participate in your "sport of choice" would share share some of the profoundly disabling conditions found in the examples you publish on this discussion board.

 

I will also point out that your "have a nice day" type comments to your critics are disingenouous as well and do nothing to further your (message?) of inclusion.  They simply further alienate those you have previously insulted or offended with some of your statements.  A personal comment...you have conflated my commentary with responses from another poster in more than one post of yours.  My responses are based on my own individual feelings about the meandering paths and trails your enthusiasm seems to lead you.  I am asking for a little self-editing and fairness in your posts.  I believe the other

 poster you single out has her own reasons for eliciting clarification of your opinions & commentary.  You are mistaken if you think otherwise.  Go back and re-read the responses on other posts.  

 

Most of us have our own programs of self-improvement...perhaps not identical to yours, but just as effective, nonetheless, and daily reminders that some other program is superior just don't have the ring of truth or simply offer no logical inducements to switch.  

It's a case of caveat emptor and we are old enough & savvy enough to know what's best for us as individuals.

 

I have included a quote below by a psychologist I read often...I think it makes a lot of sense for those of us who strive to maintain our personal growth & improvement.  Perhaps, if you read it with an open mind, you may find something of value hidden in it's message.

 

 

"Self-Acceptance vs. Self-Improvement "

 

"It should be apparent at this point that self-acceptance has nothing to do with self-improvement as such. For it really isn't about "fixing" anything in ourselves.With self-acceptance we're just--non-judgmentally--affirming who we are, with whatever strengths--and weaknesses--we possess in the moment.

The problem with any focus on self-improvement is that such an orientation inevitably makes self-acceptance conditional. After all, we can't ever feel totally secure or good enough so long as our self-regard depends on constantly bettering ourselves. Self-acceptance is here-and-now oriented--not future oriented, as in: "I'll be okay when . . ." or "As soon as I accomplish . . . I'll be okay." Self-acceptance is about already being okay, with no qualifications--period. It's not that we ignore or deny our faults or frailties, just that we view them as irrelevant to our basic acceptability.

Finally, it's we--and we alone--that set the standards for our self-acceptance. And once we decide to stop grading ourselves, or "keeping score with" ourselves, we can adopt an attitude of non-evaluative forgiveness. "  ~  Leon F. Seltzer, PhD

 

 

"Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness." ~ Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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Prosecco6247 wrote:

Sorry, this isn't about you or your background.  My interest is in the objectification of disabled individuals.  As one so aptly said, "I'm not your inspiration...get your own (blank) inspiration."


Well, you are free to see things as you wish, however, I do not think the National Senior Games story degraded or objectified this athlete in any way. It is but one of many, many athlete profiles and interviews done for this, the 30th anniversary year of the Games. Most, if not all, of these athletes struggle with some age-related thing that conspires to keep them down. The point is that they refuse to give up or stop trying. They are willingly telling their own stories in their own words. That's not objectification, certainly not in my book. I'm sorry you see it otherwise, but am grateful that you choose to speak up for the disabled. So thank you for that.

 

I can state my intentions (for objectification goes to motivation) regarding the post, and that is to celebrate her mettle, in the same way as I have, and will continue to, celebrate other senior athletes who have gone before me.

 

As for the fact that the post was never about me: right. However, my background was specifically asked for --twice. And so here it is. Smiley Happy

 

May your day be filled with glorious beauty.

 

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Re: Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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Sorry, this isn't about you or your background.  My interest is in the objectification of disabled individuals.  As one so aptly said, "I'm not your inspiration...get your own (blank) inspiration."

"Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness." ~ Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Shoot the Breeze/MS and other Disabilities

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@ASTRAEA @Prosecco6247

 

I wanted to say this here, because I don't want to take the Stand Up To MS thread further off-topic, and because that thread was never about what I know or don't know about disabilities and such a discussion would only take away from Eleanor's astounding mettle. I'm sure none of us wish to do that. So please and kindly bear with me. Thanks.

 

We live in an MS hot spot, so yes, indeed, I know a number of people who are afflicted with this disease. 

 

I have family members with disabilities.

 

In the 80s I shot and my partner edited an award-winning video about adults with disabilities and the local non-profit that helped them get work. 

 

We race recumbents all over the US with a friend who is disabled. Do not misunderstand: we are each in our own divisions. We are not going head to head against this gentleman: we are instead acting as support system for him.

 

This summer we attended the Colorado Senior and Masters Championship 40K Time Trial to cheer on the disabled recumbent racers, who, by the way, put on one of the most amazing displays of athleticism that I have ever seen. Truly inspiring athletes.

 

I don't consider myself any sort of authority on issues of disabled persons. I do, however, know quite a number of disabled persons and athletes. Not one of them has ever asked me for special consideration. And most, if not all, have expressed interest in pushing themselves to greater independence, mobility and health. 

 

I do thank you both for your interest and concern.

 

 

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Shoot the Breeze/diabetes

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@DaveMcK

 

First I want to thank you for your comments about diabetes over on the Daily Quote thread yesterday. It seems like a disease that has touched everyone; I know scores of people suffering from it. I wish them and you perfect management and health.

 

So I brought this over here to the Shoot the Breeze thread because I didn’t want to clog up the Daily Quote thread.

 

Disclaimer: I checked with the person I’m about to tell you about. He’s on these boards, and I wanted to make sure he was OK with me giving out these details.

 

About reversing diabetes: I cannot say about full blown diabetes, but I can say that I have recently had a hand in reversing pre-diabetes.

 

This friend, a senior athlete, underwent a ton of stress last year: forced early retirement, family strife, the death of a couple of close friends … and his A1C shot up to 6.2 and stayed there for 8 months. Then he told me about it, and I had him track his every bite. How many carbs, how much fat, sodium, fiber, et cetera. After a month of tracking we tabulated his intake and found that he had been eating 400 grams of carbs a day. Remember, he’s an athlete. But, of course, the USDA recommended carb intake for a healthy person is 300 grams. Clearly this 400 grams thing (plus of course the stress) was turning him into an unhealthy person. Please note that diabetes has claimed a number of his close relatives. And, by the way, it wasn’t as if he had tried nothing to reduce his blood sugar. He doesn’t have a sweet tooth, and he eats whole wheat bread and whole wheat pasta plus brown rice, quinoa, amaranth (so no refined grains), but his portions were out of control.

 

So we decided to get radical and held his carb intake to an average of 170 a day (if you count fiber) and 130 a day (if you extract fiber from the tally). In 5 weeks we got his blood glucose down to 86. Which is to say that this gent successfully reversed pre-diabetes. I was there: I know it can be done. We did not use drugs. We didn't even use herbs. We simply obsessed over every carb. Smiley Happy 

 

Just to be clear: I did let him eat pasta and whole wheat bread in small amounts before his super intense, twice a week training sessions. But that meant acute carb reduction the rest of the week. So lots of cauliflower. Pickled, raw, with hummus, steamed, grilled, in salad, repeat. Smiley Happy

 

Can everyone do this? That I cannot say.

 

I guess, since this will be here forever (or at least until they change my name to anonymous ...) I should also say this: while I know a ton about sports nutrition, I am not a doctor. Please consult your doctor before embarking on any radical diet or exercise program.

 

 

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Re: Shoot the Breeze

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@Frozenoem Indeed, they are pretty slow to act. It's part of a larger issue, that being burgeoning population pushing into bear country. Down in Boulder the issue has become intense, and wildlife dept is in no hurry to move problem bears (they get to kill a dog or two, rip into a few houses first). We're less willing, up here, or so I thought, to let wildlife threaten the human population, so I thought they'd see the issue as a problem bear on simmer and appreciate my help in streamlining their ability to act, but  wrong again.

 

It's a talent. This thing of being wrong, I mean. Smiley Happy

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Re: Shoot the Breeze

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@Epster

 

Geez if I call Ranger Rick, he shows up same day, same as my ex.

 

Always get same day barrel trap service, or one day later if in use.

 

Guess they know we'd prefer not to shoot the bears but, would also like them to avoid entering our house, etc.

 

Just protecting our house and home, from all ne'er do wells furry or otherwise.

 

Sexism seems to be alive and well, where you live.

 

Froze

 

 

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@Frozenoem Yep: cannot stop a bear that has decided to enter either a house or a chicken coop. All I can do is make sure I've done my bit. We were just talking about moving up the roaster harvest a day. It was 95 yesterday, expecting same today, but tomorrow morning should be cool enough to commit to getting huge volumes of water boiling... Well, maybe I can process 4 of the biggest roasters in the morning, anyway.

 

Tell ya what, I think the guys I spoke with heard a women's voice and decided what I was calling about --nevermind actually listening-- was to ask that they come find the bear because I'm scared. (I never said that I was scared, but they each told me not to be. Huh?) Instead, I know they need so many sightings, so many instances before they will come out, so I was trying to give them events 1, 2 and 3 with hopes that others had likewise called in. I was hoping to avert something ugly, damaging or costly. Maybe I'll call again after spreading today's batch of urine. Smiley Happy 

 

Yeah, not safe here to shoot into the air. Rocks and neighbors being problematic. Smiley Happy

 

 

"The key to success is to keep growing in all areas of life - mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical." Julius Erving