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trump Denies Cali's Request for Fire Fighting Aid

Trump administration turns down California's request for wildfire disaster assistance


The Trump administration this week abruptly rejected California’s request for federal disaster relief funds to help residents affected by the Creek fire and a string of other devastating blazes that have ravaged the state.


State officials received a rejection letter that gave no explanation for the rebuff, a spokesperson for the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services said Thursday. The state plans to appeal.


The Trump administration previously approved similar requests for other wildfires, though President Donald Trump has threatened to cut aid to the Democratic-led state for partisan reasons.


Trump has routinely questioned the science behind California’s worsening fires. Fires have become larger and more frequent in recent years, along with extreme heat and droughts, because of climate change, according to experts. But Trump has repeatedly denied the role of climate change




“It will start getting cooler. You just watch,” Trump told state officials during a trip to survey fire damage last month. “I don’t think science knows, actually.”


Trump has also repeatedly blamed California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), claiming the state has poor “forest management” and needs to get rid of “exploding” trees.


“When trees fall down, after a short period of time they become very dry — really like a matchstick ... and they can explode,” Trump said last month. “Also leaves. When you have dried leaves on the ground, it’s just fuel for the fires.” 


Many of the state’s biggest fires have been on federally managed land.


Trump administration turns down California's request for wildfire disaster assistance 

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By today's news CA got their Fed. Aid.

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@john258 wrote:

By today's news CA got their Fed. Aid.

Somebody just explained to trump that most of California's forests are on Federal land....



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Hours later, after IMPOOPUS had his little snitty fit, he has reversed course and granted CA the emergency funds.


I'm not really seeing the logic or message IMPOOPUS is trying to send with his abrupt reversals.  Like when he told Mnuchin to break off relief talks with Pelosi until after the election only to seesaw back to the other side.  Is he trying to portray himself as a shining knight on a white horse to the rescue.  Doesn't make sense when he, himself, created these maelstroms. 🤷

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@MsStretch wrote:

Hours later, after IMPOOPUS had his little snitty fit, he has reversed course and granted CA the emergency funds.


I'm not really seeing the logic or message IMPOOPUS is trying to send with his abrupt reversals.  Like when he told Mnuchin to break off relief talks with Pelosi until after the election only to seesaw back to the other side.  Is he trying to portray himself as a shining knight on a white horse to the rescue.  Doesn't make sense when he, himself, created these maelstroms. 🤷

What makes sense to me is his doctors have tweaked his medication to ensure he's operating in overdrive.  He's nuts to begin with so, no, not much makes sense when anyone is strung out on chemicals.  "Logic" never has been dt's friend.  The WH is going to need much cleansing if not an exorcism to remove the last of his chaos.

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Remember, this is the moron who denied needed aid to Puerto Rico, and just recently found it was the right thing to do and gave Puerto Rico 13 BILLION dollars in additional aid THREE YEARS LATE and after many lives could have been saved.  Those Puerto Rican votes in Florida sure were expensive!

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Perhaps California could tell the Toad they need the money for a Wall to keep out the fires - he seems to think Walls are a solution to so many other problems, he'd swallow this one w/o chewing.


Millions of acres of California forest have been blackened by wildfires this summer, leading to the usual angry denunciations from the usual quarters about climate change. But in 1999, the Associated Press reported that forestry experts had long agreed that “clearing undergrowth would save trees,” and that “years of aggressive firefighting have allowed brush to flourish that would have been cleared away by wildfires.” But very little was done. And now fires of unprecedented size are raging across the Western United States.

“Sen. Feinstein blames Sierra Club for blocking wildfire bill,” reads the provocative headline on a 2002 story in California’s Napa Valley Register. Feinstein had brokered a congressional consensus on legislation to thin “overstocked” forests close to homes and communities, but could not overcome the environmental lobby’s disagreement over expediting the permit process to thin forests everywhere else.

Year after year, environmentalists litigated and lobbied to stop efforts to clear the forests through timber harvesting, underbrush removal, and controlled burns. Meanwhile, natural fires were suppressed and the forests became more and more overgrown. The excessive biomass competed for the same water, soil, and light a healthier forest would have used, rendering all of the trees and underbrush unhealthy. It wasn’t just excess biomass that accumulated, but dried out and dead biomass.

What happened among California’s tall stands of Redwood and Ponderosa Pine also happened in its extensive chaparral. Fire suppression along with too many environmentalist-inspired bureaucratic barriers to controlled burns and undergrowth removal turned the hillsides and canyons of Southern California into tinderboxes.

In 2009, after huge blazes wiped out homes and forced thousands to evacuate, Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonovich observed: “The environmentalists have gone to the extreme to prevent controlled burns, and as a result we have this catastrophe today.”

In 2014, Republican members of Congress tried again to reduce the bureaucracy associated with “hazardous fuel projects” that thin out overgrown forests. True to form, the bill got nowhere thanks to environmental lobbyists who worried it would undermine the 1969 National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), the law that requires thorough impact assessments ahead of government decisions on public lands.

In a blistering report published in the California Globe on how environmentalists have destroyed California’s forests, investigative journalist Katy Grimes interviewed Representative Tom McClintock, a Republican who represents communities in and around the Sierra Nevada mountains of Northern California. McClintock has worked for years to reform NEPA and other barriers to responsible forest management.

“The U.S. Forest Service used to be a profitable federal agency,” McClintock told Grimes. “Up until the mid-1970s, we managed our national forests according to well-established and time-tested forest management practices. But 40 years ago, we replaced these sound management practices with what can only be described as a doctrine of benign neglect. Ponderous, Byzantine laws and regulations administered by a growing cadre of ideological zealots in our land management agencies promised to save the environment. The advocates of this doctrine have dominated our law, our policies, our courts and our federal agencies ever since.”

But these zealots have not protected the forests. They have destroyed them. The consequences are far-reaching.

Decimating the Timber Industry, Disrupting the Ecosystem

Few people, including the experts, bother to point out how overgrown forests reduce the water supply. But when watersheds are choked with dense underbrush competing for moisture, precipitation and runoff cannot replenish groundwater aquifers or fill up reservoirs. Instead, it’s immediately soaked up by the trees and brush. Without clearing and controlled burns, the overgrown foliage dies anyway.

A new activist organization in California, the “California Water for Food and People Movement,” created a Facebook group for people living in the hellscape created by misguided environmentalist zealotry. Comments and posts from long-time residents of the Sierra foothills, where fires have exploded in recent years, yield eyewitness testimony to how environmentalist restrictions on forest management have gone horribly wrong. Examples:

“I’m 70, and I remember controlled burns, logging, and open grazing.”

“With the rainy season just ahead, the aftermath of the Creek Fire will challenge our water systems for years to come. Erosion will send toxic debris and sediment cascading into streams, rivers, and reservoirs, reducing their capacity to carry and hold water. Dirty air, dirty water, and the opposite of environmentalism are on full display right now, brought to us by the environmental posers who will no doubt use this crisis to unleash a barrage of ‘climate change did it’ articles.”

“Many thanks to Sierra Club and other environmental groups. You shut down logging/brush removal and had a ‘don’t touch’ approach to our forests. You shut down access roads and let them get overgrown, so now they can’t be used for fire suppression and emergency equipment. You fought ranchers for grazing, which helped keep the forest floors clean. You made fun of Trump when he said we need to rake the forest. Trust me these forest rakes and logging would have prevented the devastating fires we see now.”

The economics of responsible forest management, given the immensity of America’s western forests, requires profitable timber harvesting to play a role. But California has no commercial timber operations on state-owned land. And since 1990, when the environmentalist assault on California’s timber industry began in earnest, its timber industry has shrunk to half its former size. Reviving California’s timber industry, so the collective rate of harvest equals the collective rate of growth, would go a long way towards solving the problem of catastrophic fires.

Instead, California’s environmentalists only redouble their nonsense arguments. Expect these fires to justify even more “climate change” legislation that does nothing to clear the forests of overgrown tinder, and everything to clear the forests, and the chaparral, of people and towns.

Expect these fires to fuel a new round of legislation containing urban growth while mandating suburban densification, with increased rationing of energy and water.

Expect the “climate emergency” to accelerate in synergistic lockstep with the pandemic emergency and the anti-racism emergency. Expect all three of these emergencies to become issues of public health, thereby eliminating inconvenient constitutional roadblocks to swift action.

Misdirected Union Priorities

Meanwhile, tragically, expect California’s politically powerful firefighters’ union to do little or nothing to support the timber industry or rural inhabitants who don’t want to move into urban condos.

As Steve Greenhut explained in a recent column in the Orange County Register: “Frankly, union power drives state and local firefighting policies. The median compensation package for firefighters has topped $240,000 a year in some locales. California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection firefighters earn less, but their packages still total nearly $150,000 a year. The number of California firefighters who receive compensation packages above $500,000 a year is mind-blowing.”

No wonder firefighters are overwhelmed during California’s wildfire season. The state can’t afford to hire enough of them.

And when these firefighter unions could have been pushing for legislation to clear the forests back in 2019, where instead did their leftist leadership direct their activist efforts? They marched in solidarity with the striking United Teachers of Los Angeles. The teachers’ unions have done to California’s public schools what environmentalists have done to California’s forests.

If an honest history of California in the early 21st century is ever written, the verdict will be unequivocal. Forests that thrived in California for over 20 million years were allowed to become overgrown tinderboxes. And then, with stupefying ferocity, within the span of a few decades, they burned to the ground. Many of them never recovered.

This epic tragedy was the direct result of policies put in place by misguided environmentalist zealots, misinformed suckers who sent them money, and the litigators and lobbyists they hired, who laughed all the way to the bank.


Interesting article, one of many that place the blame on the environmental groups not allowing proven forest management policies to be enacted. 

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A great deal of the forest in CA is owned or controlled by the Fed. Govt. The Feds could have put any Forrest management plan into effect they wanted. There are a lot of places that the terrain will not allow Forrest management.

There is money put into the budget each year to assist in all types of Federal relief efforts. A lot of that money would not be spent if each area did things to lower the costs. We have flooding. Many cities built in flood plain. Storms hit coastal cities. Many do not have or did not build storm control devices  correctly. Wind Storms are common in mid west but we build there. High heat, and lack of water common in southwest but we build cities there. 

What we see here is Dictator Trump doing what he does best hurting people that he thinks will not vote for him so it is ok to destroy them. Trump stole money from these funds for his relief fund a few months ago, but that was ok by the far right.

You live in AZ. AZ does not have enough water for most people living in it. It gets water from the other States using Federal funds to build the delivery system. By what you seem to support that should not have been done. AZ had one of the worst virus outbreaks because it followed trump. The Feds have supplied money to help AZ with the disaster Trump caused. By your support article no help should have been given since if you did not follow Trump it would not have happened.


What we see here is the typical approach of a Dictator who wants to get rid of all who oppose him, and then his followers making up excuses for him. True Americans support each other in time of need, then work out the problems that caused the need.  

Even in Germany under Hitler they never threw sections of the country under the bus and included both supporters and opponents of the Dictator. You do see this approach from a Mob Boss. As I have said for 3 years now Trump the Mob Boss wanna be Dictator of the USA. For shame.

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   Which is exactly why no one should ever vote for anyone who supports the current Admin.   When it makes a decision not based on anything but a fat man's gut instinct - people die and he won't care.

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we have never had a President like TRump before who picks and chooses states when it comes to giving aid, and I hope we never will again! Vote him out and lock him up!

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