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Remember when Republicans put America first by standing up to Russia? Not any more, the Republican Party has become the pawn of Vladimir Putin.

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tRump is a Russian 'Pawn' and full disclosure of tRump's financial records from Deutsche Bank will disclose that.


Why have you not turned over the records to the dimms for distribution?  

 

 

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tRump is a Russian 'Pawn' and full disclosure of tRump's financial records from Deutsche Bank will disclose that.


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If The FBI’s Contempt For The Law Is Not Reined In, Its Abuses Will Get Worse

The former CIA and FBI director’s article is a symptom of how the establishment media has become the propaganda arm of an increasingly robust U.S. authoritarian movement.

 

BY:  Adam Mill

 

In 2018, the U.S. government filed 1,117 final applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court for authority for the FBI to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches. One application was withdrawn. One other was denied. The remaining 1,115 were granted.

 

Hours before the FISA court issued a December 17 order openly declaring that it could no longer trust any of the sworn statements the FBI had submitted to justify spying on Americans, The New York Times published an opinion article by William Webster, a former director of both the FBI and the CIA. Webster wrote, “Today, the integrity of the institutions that protect our civil order is, tragically, under assault from too many people whose job it should be to protect them.”

 

Gone are the days The New York Times worked to expose government abuse of power. The New York Times now defends power from truth.

No More ‘Dissent Is Patriotism’

Setting aside the very dubious propositions that the FBI and the CIA should be protected from criticism, let’s plumb the depths of the Webster/NYT argument. Who, according to Webster, has the job of protecting the FBI and the CIA? Webster explains exactly who he means: “I am deeply disturbed by the assertion of President Trump that our ‘current director’ — as he refers to the man he selected for the job of running the F.B.I. — cannot fix what the president calls a broken agency.”

Webster goes on to suggest that the FBI should operate as an independent agency and that he is outraged by the “president’s thinly veiled suggestion that the director, Christopher Wray, like his banished predecessor, James Comey, could be on the chopping block.” He adds, “The independence of both the F.B.I. and its director is critical and should be fiercely protected by each branch of government.” Webster goes on to make it clear that the “rule of law” is threatened by the president criticizing the FBI.

 

The article is a symptom of how the establishment media has become the propaganda arm of an increasingly robust authoritarian movement in the United States. This movement inverts

constitutional principles so that it becomes the president’s job to protect the FBI from criticism and his threat to fire an FBI chief is a threat to the Constitution. This is the kind of thing that Vladimir Putin might have told Tass to publish as he sought to seize power from Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s.

Not Mistakes But Deliberate Abuse of Power

 

The legitimacy of the FBI is in free fall. But not its terrifying power. The biggest lie about the latest Office of Inspector General report is that it reveals “mistakes” made by the FBI. These weren’t mistakes. The FISA court used more accurate terminology, like “misconduct.” The FBI investigators who applied for the Carter Page warrants had in their possession information that directly contradicted the basic factual requirements to apply for a surveillance warrant.

 

As noted by the FISA court, “On December 9, 2019, the government filed with the FISC public and classified versions of the OIG Report…It documents troubling instances in which FBI personnel provided information…which was unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession.” These include falsely claiming dossier author Christopher Steele’s prior work was relied upon in prior criminal proceedings, doctoring evidence to hide the fact that Page was actually working for America to spy on Russia, and falsely claiming that the FBI had corroborated Steele’s work when Steele himself questioned his source’s accuracy in October 2016.

 

The FBI knew by October 2016 that Page denied ever meeting Paul Manafort but nevertheless told the FISA court that it believed Manafort coordinated the Trump/Russia collusion through Page. The FBI told the FISA court that Page was working directly with two Russians he denied ever meeting.

‘They Withheld Information Detrimental to Their Case’

Webster wrote, “In fact, the report conclusively found that the evidence to initiate the Russia investigation was unassailable.” That’s simply not true. The FISA court wrote, “The FBI’ s handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the OIG report, was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor described above. The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable.”

 

The FISA Court is referring to all pending FISA applications, more than 1,000 of which were initiated last year. The FISA court ordered the government to, “no later than January 10, 2020, inform the Court in a sworn written submission of what it has done, and plans to do, to ensure that the statement of facts in each FBI application accurately and completely reflects information possessed by the FBI that is material to any issue presented by the application.”

 

America is deep in the midst of a civil liberties crisis. The FISA court recently exposed a massive spying operation by the FBI using the National Security Agency’s secret database. It confirmed that under FBI Director Christopher Wray, “Since April 2017, the government has reported a large number of FBI queries that were not reasonably likely to return foreign-intelligence intonation or evidence of crime. In a number of cases, a single improper decision or assessment resulted in the use of query terms corresponding to a large number of individuals, including U.S. persons.”

 

The FBI routinely violated record-keeping procedures the court established to ensure that the FBI could account for who it spied upon and why. This followed an earlier decision in which the FBI falsely certified to the FISA court that it was not abusing electronic spying. In that opinion, the FISA court accused the intelligence community of an “institutional lack of candor.”

FBI Fights to Hide Its Misconduct

Under Wray, the FBI has fought congressional and judicial oversight. It fought the public release of yet another damning opinion from the FISA court released earlier this year. It appears to have slowed the release of this most recent OIG report.

 

The OIG completed its probe of the Page FISA warrants in mid-September of this year. Nevertheless, the FBI withheld from the FISA court shocking revelations until the last possible minute. The FBI slashedby 85 percent its office in charge of monitoring the shady relationships between FBI agents and their confidential human sources.

 

In other words, Wray has accelerated the FBI’s decline in a way more commonly associated with James Comey. One need only listen to Wray’s words to understand why. He recently said of the shocking IG report on the FBI’s many deceptions of the FISA court that it was “important that the inspector general found that, in this particular instance, the investigation was opened with appropriate predication and authorization.” That’s actually totally irrelevant. That Wray doesn’t seem to care that the FBI repeatedly deceives courts to spy on Americans is what’s important.

 

How will the FBI react to this seemingly avalanche of damning information? The accelerating march to a Soviet-style FBI will continue unabated under the cover of lip service to correct a “failure in the process.” That’s ridiculous. Exactly what regulation needs to be changed so that the FBI stops lying to courts?

 

The FBI has repeatedly promised to stop illegal spying on Americans, only to increase operations. It has contempt for the court and the president’s constitutional authority to reign in these abuses. As of 2017, it used this spying to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power to a new elected president.

It’s all happening in plain sight. The legacy media, led by The New York Times, are openly

advocating making the FBI an independent agency with power over the elected president. Lying to spy on Americans is pretty much the worst thing a law enforcement agency can do, short of framing elected leaders for treason. Somebody has to go to prison, or this will get worse.

 

We keep hearing “nobody is above the law.” But the FBI has repeatedly demonstrated otherwise.

 

 

 


Boy the the orders from the leaders must have gone out yesterday to the enablers put up every article in the far right news media today. So we see tons of nonsense to distract all from Trump and his inability to stop telling lies, and how he has not lived a life worthy of support by the Evg sect. They say all of the Mob was in FL with Trump planing how they would move further to destroy the US, and the rest of the world. The nonsense flows from the nonsense right wing press.

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@jimc91 wrote:

If The FBI’s Contempt For The Law Is Not Reined In, Its Abuses Will Get Worse

The former CIA and FBI director’s article is a symptom of how the establishment media has become the propaganda arm of an increasingly robust U.S. authoritarian movement.

 

BY:  Adam Mill

 

In 2018, the U.S. government filed 1,117 final applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court for authority for the FBI to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches. One application was withdrawn. One other was denied. The remaining 1,115 were granted.

 

Hours before the FISA court issued a December 17 order openly declaring that it could no longer trust any of the sworn statements the FBI had submitted to justify spying on Americans, The New York Times published an opinion article by William Webster, a former director of both the FBI and the CIA. Webster wrote, “Today, the integrity of the institutions that protect our civil order is, tragically, under assault from too many people whose job it should be to protect them.”

 

Gone are the days The New York Times worked to expose government abuse of power. The New York Times now defends power from truth.

No More ‘Dissent Is Patriotism’

Setting aside the very dubious propositions that the FBI and the CIA should be protected from criticism, let’s plumb the depths of the Webster/NYT argument. Who, according to Webster, has the job of protecting the FBI and the CIA? Webster explains exactly who he means: “I am deeply disturbed by the assertion of President Trump that our ‘current director’ — as he refers to the man he selected for the job of running the F.B.I. — cannot fix what the president calls a broken agency.”

Webster goes on to suggest that the FBI should operate as an independent agency and that he is outraged by the “president’s thinly veiled suggestion that the director, Christopher Wray, like his banished predecessor, James Comey, could be on the chopping block.” He adds, “The independence of both the F.B.I. and its director is critical and should be fiercely protected by each branch of government.” Webster goes on to make it clear that the “rule of law” is threatened by the president criticizing the FBI.

 

The article is a symptom of how the establishment media has become the propaganda arm of an increasingly robust authoritarian movement in the United States. This movement inverts

constitutional principles so that it becomes the president’s job to protect the FBI from criticism and his threat to fire an FBI chief is a threat to the Constitution. This is the kind of thing that Vladimir Putin might have told Tass to publish as he sought to seize power from Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s.

Not Mistakes But Deliberate Abuse of Power

 

The legitimacy of the FBI is in free fall. But not its terrifying power. The biggest lie about the latest Office of Inspector General report is that it reveals “mistakes” made by the FBI. These weren’t mistakes. The FISA court used more accurate terminology, like “misconduct.” The FBI investigators who applied for the Carter Page warrants had in their possession information that directly contradicted the basic factual requirements to apply for a surveillance warrant.

 

As noted by the FISA court, “On December 9, 2019, the government filed with the FISC public and classified versions of the OIG Report…It documents troubling instances in which FBI personnel provided information…which was unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession.” These include falsely claiming dossier author Christopher Steele’s prior work was relied upon in prior criminal proceedings, doctoring evidence to hide the fact that Page was actually working for America to spy on Russia, and falsely claiming that the FBI had corroborated Steele’s work when Steele himself questioned his source’s accuracy in October 2016.

 

The FBI knew by October 2016 that Page denied ever meeting Paul Manafort but nevertheless told the FISA court that it believed Manafort coordinated the Trump/Russia collusion through Page. The FBI told the FISA court that Page was working directly with two Russians he denied ever meeting.

‘They Withheld Information Detrimental to Their Case’

Webster wrote, “In fact, the report conclusively found that the evidence to initiate the Russia investigation was unassailable.” That’s simply not true. The FISA court wrote, “The FBI’ s handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the OIG report, was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor described above. The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable.”

 

The FISA Court is referring to all pending FISA applications, more than 1,000 of which were initiated last year. The FISA court ordered the government to, “no later than January 10, 2020, inform the Court in a sworn written submission of what it has done, and plans to do, to ensure that the statement of facts in each FBI application accurately and completely reflects information possessed by the FBI that is material to any issue presented by the application.”

 

America is deep in the midst of a civil liberties crisis. The FISA court recently exposed a massive spying operation by the FBI using the National Security Agency’s secret database. It confirmed that under FBI Director Christopher Wray, “Since April 2017, the government has reported a large number of FBI queries that were not reasonably likely to return foreign-intelligence intonation or evidence of crime. In a number of cases, a single improper decision or assessment resulted in the use of query terms corresponding to a large number of individuals, including U.S. persons.”

 

The FBI routinely violated record-keeping procedures the court established to ensure that the FBI could account for who it spied upon and why. This followed an earlier decision in which the FBI falsely certified to the FISA court that it was not abusing electronic spying. In that opinion, the FISA court accused the intelligence community of an “institutional lack of candor.”

FBI Fights to Hide Its Misconduct

Under Wray, the FBI has fought congressional and judicial oversight. It fought the public release of yet another damning opinion from the FISA court released earlier this year. It appears to have slowed the release of this most recent OIG report.

 

The OIG completed its probe of the Page FISA warrants in mid-September of this year. Nevertheless, the FBI withheld from the FISA court shocking revelations until the last possible minute. The FBI slashedby 85 percent its office in charge of monitoring the shady relationships between FBI agents and their confidential human sources.

 

In other words, Wray has accelerated the FBI’s decline in a way more commonly associated with James Comey. One need only listen to Wray’s words to understand why. He recently said of the shocking IG report on the FBI’s many deceptions of the FISA court that it was “important that the inspector general found that, in this particular instance, the investigation was opened with appropriate predication and authorization.” That’s actually totally irrelevant. That Wray doesn’t seem to care that the FBI repeatedly deceives courts to spy on Americans is what’s important.

 

How will the FBI react to this seemingly avalanche of damning information? The accelerating march to a Soviet-style FBI will continue unabated under the cover of lip service to correct a “failure in the process.” That’s ridiculous. Exactly what regulation needs to be changed so that the FBI stops lying to courts?

 

The FBI has repeatedly promised to stop illegal spying on Americans, only to increase operations. It has contempt for the court and the president’s constitutional authority to reign in these abuses. As of 2017, it used this spying to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power to a new elected president.

It’s all happening in plain sight. The legacy media, led by The New York Times, are openly

advocating making the FBI an independent agency with power over the elected president. Lying to spy on Americans is pretty much the worst thing a law enforcement agency can do, short of framing elected leaders for treason. Somebody has to go to prison, or this will get worse.

 

We keep hearing “nobody is above the law.” But the FBI has repeatedly demonstrated otherwise.

 

 

 


The nonsense still flows from the far right leaders through the far right press which lies like Trump. Only the   enablers would think this stuff is news, thinking people know Trump is the worst President this country has ever had, and has destroyed more lives and countries than just about anyone in the history of the world. No one will have a happy new year till Trump is gone.

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I agree whole-heartedly with @Olderscout66.  Not only is tRump a Russian Pawn, he's a Putin Plant!  My hope is our country will not be destroyed by his continuance and the appalling silence of the GOP which go-alongs to get-along with the Tryannt Trump; selling out America and the American people--all for the love of money and power!

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Nice to see no rightwingnut has managed to refute a single fact I presented.

 

Instead, just like the elected GOPers trying to "defend" the indefensable tRump, they cut n paste long diatribes attacking the FBI or simply say tRump is not one of Putin's Useful Idiots, as if there's another explanation for donny's full throated support for all policies Putin.

 

 

As Jack Webb was wont to intone on Dragnet, "just the facts", and here they are:

1. tRump owes Russians more than he can repay.

2. tRump holds SECRET meetings with Russian officials and destroys any and all records of what happened in those meetings.

3. tRump talks with Putin every week on his own phone (no security) with only a translater, who has been sworn to secrecy, present and no record of the calls are made.

4. tRump puiblically stated his support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and their occupation of Crimea.

5. tRump ordered out troops out of Syria and arranged so Russian troops could then occupy our fully stocked base camps.

6. tRump abandoned the Kurds, our strongest allies in the fight against ISIS, so they could be slaughtered by the Turks and Syria would be able to reestablish their close relationship with Russia.

7.tRump has constantly lied about our NATO allies to make his lofo base think somehow we are overpaying for having access to bases 3,000 miles closer to the Mideast, bases which are totally subsidized by the host country - we pay not a dime more to have troops in Germany, Italy, England and all the other NATO nations than we would pay if they were stationed in Kansas. This arrangement has existed since Kissenger renegotiated the Status Of Forces Agrement (SOFA) in 1972.

 

So GOPers - IF you really think your idol is NOT a Russian pawn, WHY IS HE ACTING LIKE ONE?


 

 

Watch in Comey's own words, refute everything you just wrote @Olderscout66 ...

 


So you post the words of a corrupt tRump pawn in the hope to discredit the fact that Trump is a Russian/Putin pawn.  It just doesn't get any better than this !   SNL could use this on their show !!!!!


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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Nice to see no rightwingnut has managed to refute a single fact I presented.

 

Instead, just like the elected GOPers trying to "defend" the indefensable tRump, they cut n paste long diatribes attacking the FBI or simply say tRump is not one of Putin's Useful Idiots, as if there's another explanation for donny's full throated support for all policies Putin.

 

 

As Jack Webb was wont to intone on Dragnet, "just the facts", and here they are:

1. tRump owes Russians more than he can repay.

2. tRump holds SECRET meetings with Russian officials and destroys any and all records of what happened in those meetings.

3. tRump talks with Putin every week on his own phone (no security) with only a translater, who has been sworn to secrecy, present and no record of the calls are made.

4. tRump puiblically stated his support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and their occupation of Crimea.

5. tRump ordered out troops out of Syria and arranged so Russian troops could then occupy our fully stocked base camps.

6. tRump abandoned the Kurds, our strongest allies in the fight against ISIS, so they could be slaughtered by the Turks and Syria would be able to reestablish their close relationship with Russia.

7.tRump has constantly lied about our NATO allies to make his lofo base think somehow we are overpaying for having access to bases 3,000 miles closer to the Mideast, bases which are totally subsidized by the host country - we pay not a dime more to have troops in Germany, Italy, England and all the other NATO nations than we would pay if they were stationed in Kansas. This arrangement has existed since Kissenger renegotiated the Status Of Forces Agrement (SOFA) in 1972.

 

So GOPers - IF you really think your idol is NOT a Russian pawn, WHY IS HE ACTING LIKE ONE?


 

 

Watch in Comey's own words, refute everything you just wrote @Olderscout66 ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice to see no rightwingnut has managed to refute a single fact I presented.

 

Instead, just like the elected GOPers trying to "defend" the indefensable tRump, they cut n paste long diatribes attacking the FBI or simply say tRump is not one of Putin's Useful Idiots, as if there's another explanation for donny's full throated support for all policies Putin.

 

 

As Jack Webb was wont to intone on Dragnet, "just the facts", and here they are:

1. tRump owes Russians more than he can repay.

2. tRump holds SECRET meetings with Russian officials and destroys any and all records of what happened in those meetings.

3. tRump talks with Putin every week on his own phone (no security) with only a translater, who has been sworn to secrecy, present and no record of the calls are made.

4. tRump puiblically stated his support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and their occupation of Crimea.

5. tRump ordered out troops out of Syria and arranged so Russian troops could then occupy our fully stocked base camps.

6. tRump abandoned the Kurds, our strongest allies in the fight against ISIS, so they could be slaughtered by the Turks and Syria would be able to reestablish their close relationship with Russia.

7.tRump has constantly lied about our NATO allies to make his lofo base think somehow we are overpaying for having access to bases 3,000 miles closer to the Mideast, bases which are totally subsidized by the host country - we pay not a dime more to have troops in Germany, Italy, England and all the other NATO nations than we would pay if they were stationed in Kansas. This arrangement has existed since Kissenger renegotiated the Status Of Forces Agrement (SOFA) in 1972.

 

So GOPers - IF you really think your idol is NOT a Russian pawn, WHY IS HE ACTING LIKE ONE?

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Remember when the Republican Party was proud of it's strong stance against Russia? But once Trump arrived on the scene, that turned around 180 degrees. It started when Trump diluted the strong anti-Russian platform at the 2016 campaign, and it's continued for the past 3 years. 

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