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tRump Steals From Artists

The list of song writers who have sent the tRump Cabal cease and desist orders to prevent their music from being used at his rallies grows daily.

  • Many famous musicians and their families have spoken out against President Donald Trump using their music for his rallies and other events. 
  • Some artists, like Rihanna, Steven Tyler, and Pharrell Williams, reportedly had their teams issue cease-and-desist notices to the Trump campaign.
  • Artists like Elton John, Adele, and Dee Snider have spoken about not wanting President Trump to use their music for his events. 

 

 

His record of simply refusing to pay tradesmen what he agreed to pay before Putin slithered him into the White House is endless.

 

His minions are before the SCOTUS trying to have Obamacare declared Unconstitutional, depriving 24 MILLION Americans of their health insurance during a Pandemic and removing the ONLY law preventing Insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, cancelling insurance when you get sick, putting life-time caps on what they will pay for your healthcare and requiring the companies pay out in health care at least 80% of what they collect in premiums.

 

Then he promised to STOP the revenue that goes to Social Security and Medicare, insuring both will fail within 3 years.

 

How is it anyone who has to work for a living would even think of voting for this psychopathic moron?

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Trump has been a thief all of his life, he stole from the thousands of workers and contractors who built buildings for him bey filing bankruptcies. He stole from campaign funds, he stole from his charities funds. He steals from musicians.

 

Trump is a cheap crook and his supporters cheer.  ROFLMAO !!!!


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Leonard Cohen's song Hallelujah was played twice.  Newsweek reached out to his estate asking if permission was given.  The 2nd time rumptured played it was Tori Kelly's rendition during the fireworks.  She did not give permission to be used by the rump.  Canadians and Cohen's fans are hurt, sharing their disgust on twitter.

I can only assume the dim witted rump lackeys wanted to appeal to the gathering of faux Christians and as is his practice, anyone he wants to use, he will.

One comment made:

 

"I am now reminding myself that Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah is about a failed relationship that's almost certainly ending. May this be an omen."

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@oceanedge2 

Estate of or artist themselves don't have to give permission if the song is licensed thru

ASCAP = The American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers.

ASCAP - USING MUSIC IN POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS: What you should know 

 

If any campaign buys a blanket license for a campaign - all the songs included are given access UNLESS the artist or estate of the artist opts out a specific song from the list.

from the link ~

WHAT MUSIC IS COVERED BY THE ASCAP LICENSE FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS?

The ASCAP Political Campaign License agreement provides a blanket license to perform any or all of the millions of compositions in the ASCAP repertory. However, ASCAP members may ask ASCAP to exclude specific songs from a particular political campaign’s license. In that event, ASCAP will notify the campaign of the excluded works.

 

According to reports, Trump's campaign did buy a blanket license in June 2020

There is also another Music License Co. - they work the same - BMI = Broadcast Music, Inc.

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It seems every few weeks another artist is awarded a cease and desist order against the Trump campaign for licensing violations. Hee

 

Here is a list of twenty artists who have forbidden the Trump campaign from using their music. 

 

https://deadline.com/2020/06/donald-trump-rolling-stones-bmi-warning-you-cant-always-get-what-you-wa... 

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@Richva   The LA Times article which I linked said it was reported that the Trump campaign purchased a blanketed license inJune 2020.

 

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@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva   The LA Times article which I linked said it was reported that the Trump campaign purchased a blanketed license in June 2020.

 

Rolling Stones threaten to sue Trump over music played at campaign events - June 29, 2020

The music-rights organization BMI provides licenses for venues to play a broad array of music and has a catalog of more than 15 million songs that can be played at political events. Artists can opt out of having their music played at political events, and a BMI statement says the Stones have done that.

BMI has informed the Trump campaign that if it plays Stones music again at an event, it will be in breach of its licensing agreement, the statement said.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rolling-stones-threaten-to-sue-trump-over-music-played-at-campaign...

 

Leonard Cohen Estate Considering Legal Action After RNC Plays “Halleujah”

The organizers of the convention can’t plead ignorance because they apparently asked for permission but were denied. “We are surprised and dismayed that the RNC would proceed knowing that the Cohen Estate had specifically declined the RNC’s use request, and their rather brazen attempt to politicize and exploit in such an egregious manner ‘Hallelujah,’ one of the most important songs in the Cohen song catalogue,” Rice wrote. She later proceeded to take a dig at the Trump campaign, saying that if the organizers had requested to use Cohen’s 2016 song “You Want it Darker” then “we might have considered approval.”

 

Sony/ATV Publishing also let their displeasure be known with Brian Monaco, its president and global chief marketing officer, also saying they had rejected the request from the organizers of the convention.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/leonard-cohen-estate-legal-action-rnc-halleujah.html 

Can President Trump play any song he wants at a rally, even if the artist despises him?

Donald Trump’s determined approach to music selection, most notably his unauthorized use of the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want,” has shattered norms.

 

The reason? “The concept of shame, or a respect for intellectual property rights or artistic integrity — those concepts don’t apply to this president.....“Trump doesn’t care.”

 

An artist or rights owner can opt out of allowing its music to be used in blanket license bundles, or specify that their work not be used in political campaigns. But since most musicians dream of national exposure, it’s seldom an issue.

 

Sue him? Go ahead and try, says entertainment lawyer Weingarten. "[Trump] feels very comfortable using litigation as a tool in his ultimate business or political interests.” He’s got lawyers at the ready, Weingarten continues, “and because he doesn’t care about litigating it, and because other people do, he uses that factor to his advantage.”

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-08-24/president-trump-rally-rnc-music-ne...

 

Because he is a despicable, barely human, being.  Most everyone in the world knows that.  I believe the Stones are going to roll right over him.


 

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@oceanedge2 wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva   The LA Times article which I linked said it was reported that the Trump campaign purchased a blanketed license in June 2020.

 

Rolling Stones threaten to sue Trump over music played at campaign events - June 29, 2020

The music-rights organization BMI provides licenses for venues to play a broad array of music and has a catalog of more than 15 million songs that can be played at political events. Artists can opt out of having their music played at political events, and a BMI statement says the Stones have done that.

BMI has informed the Trump campaign that if it plays Stones music again at an event, it will be in breach of its licensing agreement, the statement said.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rolling-stones-threaten-to-sue-trump-over-music-played-at-campaign...

 

Leonard Cohen Estate Considering Legal Action After RNC Plays “Halleujah”

The organizers of the convention can’t plead ignorance because they apparently asked for permission but were denied. “We are surprised and dismayed that the RNC would proceed knowing that the Cohen Estate had specifically declined the RNC’s use request, and their rather brazen attempt to politicize and exploit in such an egregious manner ‘Hallelujah,’ one of the most important songs in the Cohen song catalogue,” Rice wrote. She later proceeded to take a dig at the Trump campaign, saying that if the organizers had requested to use Cohen’s 2016 song “You Want it Darker” then “we might have considered approval.”

 

Sony/ATV Publishing also let their displeasure be known with Brian Monaco, its president and global chief marketing officer, also saying they had rejected the request from the organizers of the convention.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/leonard-cohen-estate-legal-action-rnc-halleujah.html 

Can President Trump play any song he wants at a rally, even if the artist despises him?

Donald Trump’s determined approach to music selection, most notably his unauthorized use of the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want,” has shattered norms.

 

The reason? “The concept of shame, or a respect for intellectual property rights or artistic integrity — those concepts don’t apply to this president.....“Trump doesn’t care.”

 

An artist or rights owner can opt out of allowing its music to be used in blanket license bundles, or specify that their work not be used in political campaigns. But since most musicians dream of national exposure, it’s seldom an issue.

 

Sue him? Go ahead and try, says entertainment lawyer Weingarten. "[Trump] feels very comfortable using litigation as a tool in his ultimate business or political interests.” He’s got lawyers at the ready, Weingarten continues, “and because he doesn’t care about litigating it, and because other people do, he uses that factor to his advantage.”

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-08-24/president-trump-rally-rnc-music-ne...

 

Because he is a despicable, barely human, being.  Most everyone in the world knows that.  I believe the Stones are going to roll right over him.


 


I am a musician and I sometimes put together music events to raise money for charities. I play by the rules and pay the fees. No one plays for nothing and no one's songs are played for nothing unless they donate the fees back to the charity. Trump is a classless con lacking any respect for anyone else or their livelihoods.

 

I also hope the Rolling stones roll right over him. I am sure they can afford it.


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@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva   The LA Times article which I linked said it was reported that the Trump campaign purchased a blanketed license inJune 2020.

 

 

BMI is one of the organizations who sell blanket licenses and they were working with the Stones to get Trump to stop using their music. Trump said he had the rights to use music but did not mention purchasing anything.  Another Trump scam. Feel free to find the link that says his campaign made such a purchase. 

 

On Saturday, the group sent out a statement saying it is enlisting BMI, the performing rights organization that oversees public use of the song, in their quest to keep the track from being used for politically partisan purposes. And the band says there’ll be a lawsuit if the president continues using the song without a license.

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In a statement released earlier to Variety and Deadline, BMI said: “The Trump campaign has a Political Entities License which authorizes the public performance of more than 15 million musical works in BMI’s repertoire wherever campaign events occur. There is a provision, however, that allows BMI to exclude musical works from the license if a songwriter or publisher objects to its use by a campaign. BMI has received such an objection and sent a letter notifying the Trump campaign that the Rolling Stones’ works have been removed from the campaign license, and advising the campaign that any future use of these musical compositions will be in breach of its license agreement with BMI.”

Above quote is from:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rolling-stones-trump/rolling-stones-working-with-bmi-to-stop-trum... 

 

Guess the music industry needs to do some more work on how this is all suppose to work in the legal world - buying one thing; then it is changed to something else. Doesn't seem quite fair.

 

Maybe artist should do this type of licensing on a more personal basis or opt out of the political campaign realm all together.  Either way it does not seem right for the PRO to sell the campaign license and then start reducing it AFTER THE FACT.

 

Before this, the campaign was working off of a venue license.  Then they bought the political entities license and all the artist started opting out or at least many of the ones the campaign was picking - 

Seems ripe for legal action.

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@GailL1 wrote:

In a statement released earlier to Variety and Deadline, BMI said: “The Trump campaign has a Political Entities License....There is a provision, however, that allows BMI to exclude musical works from the license if a songwriter or publisher objects to its use by a campaign.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rolling-stones-trump/rolling-stones-working-with-bmi-to-stop-trum... 

 

Guess the music industry needs to do some more work on how this is all suppose to work in the legal world - buying one thing; then it is changed to something else. Doesn't seem quite fair.

 

The license is purchased WITH A PROVISION.  There is no after the fact or unfair.  One more time:

 

But the special licenses for political campaigns include a provision that allows certain songs to be excluded if the artists object to their use.

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/musicians-might-be-able-to-finally-stop-trump-from-using-their-songs/

 

Gail are you making the case that you and rumptured don't understand the PROVISION in the purchased license?  Kind of pathetic if so.  He is fully aware of - purchased restrictions - and simply refuses to accept the simple fact that not everyone in the universe considers association with him to be something fantastic.  The only legal problem to work out is his insistence that he is above the law.  Duh!

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Whether the artist(s) has a leg to stand on in court, nonetheless, they are publicly denouncing and making it clear that they do not support the use of their material by IMPOOPUS or his campaign.  For starstruck Donnie, who, for his entire adult life, has always tried to insert himself into the entertainment industry and gain acceptance and status as a celebrity, I suspect the denial of support by entertainment icons must grate on a nerve of two. 😁

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exerpts from the following links ~

 

LATimes 08/24/2020 - Can President Trump play any song he wants at a rally, even if the artist despi... 

 

. . . . Browne’s “Running on Empty,” Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the U.S.A.,” Neil Young’s “Rockin’ in the Free World,” Tom Petty’s “I Won’t Back Down,” Boston’s “More Than a Feeling” — all have been subjects of disputes between artists and politicians. And though each case is different, many have been quickly resolved due to the presence of what’s known as a blanket license.

 

A kind of all-you-can-eat buffet for performance rights, a blanket license allows those who buy them to play any song from the catalogs of performing rights organizations such as ASCAP and BMI at public events.

 

An artist or rights owner can opt out of allowing its music to be used in blanket license bundles, or specify that their work not be used in political campaigns. But since most musicians dream of national exposure, it’s seldom an issue.

 

Campaigns buy blanket licenses too — ASCAP and BMI licenses only cost a few hundred dollars annually — which is what has allowed the Trump campaign the right to play at public events Rihanna’s “Don’t Stop the Music,” Adele’s “Rolling in the Deep” and R.E.M.'s “It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)” despite the artists publicly rebuking the president for doing so.

 

. . . . In June, Young’s attorneys filed a copyright infringement suit against Trump’s campaign for playing “Rockin’ in the Free World” and “Devil’s Sidewalk” at the president’s June rally in Tulsa, Okla. Alleging unauthorized use, the complaint claims that the president “does not now have, and did not at the time of the Tulsa rally, have a license or [Young’s] permission to play the two songs at any public political event.”

 

According to a source with a rights organization who spoke on background for fear of political retribution, the Trump campaign has since secured blanket licenses that were absent earlier in the campaign.

 

ASCAP - USING MUSIC IN POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS: What you should know 

ASCAP = The American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers

 

WHAT MUSIC IS COVERED BY THE ASCAP LICENSE FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS?

The ASCAP Political Campaign License agreement provides a blanket license to perform any or all of the millions of compositions in the ASCAP repertory. However, ASCAP members may ask ASCAP to exclude specific songs from a particular political campaign’s license. In that event, ASCAP will notify the campaign of the excluded works.

 

They have to be specific in their exclusion, they have to be also timely and of course, read the paper work when it is presented to them or their appointed designate.

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You cannot play another's music, lyrics, images on copywritten material without purchasing the rights.

Copywritten material does not expire, unlike patents, and is not in the public domain.

 

Too bad the Dems didn't play "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" during the convention to insult Trump, but they are not that stupid.

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Cheating is the only thing Trump is good at.

Lying is second.

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PhillipT wrote:

Cheating is the only thing Trump is good at.

Lying is second.

 

Very reasonable assessment, but I don't think he's even good at cheating!  His scam companies have gone bankrupt, and who else have you ever heard of who LOST MONEY RUNNING A CASINO? Wait - HE didn't lose a dime - the ones who lost were his suppliers,  his partners, his financial backers, his employees and the tax collectors..You're right! CHEATING is his strong suit.

 

Then again, the lying is Olympian. Before Putin slithered him into the White House, few people heard him lying and many would write it off to his delusions of adequacy and well documented "Daddy Issues". Now his dupes seem to think he's only lying to Progressives and somehow that won't affect his Regreessive base.

 

 

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