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Re: tRump Proposal = Millions Losing Food Stamps - SNAP

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@Moscow45 wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Trump administration proposal could cause millions to lose food stamps

I hope that does not happen.

FWIW....Our local food bank is a big organization with a large paid staff. They are advertising for more people to use the food bank .. job security? The director makes 80k a year.

That said I give money every month to our state food bank, the Salvation Army, American Red Cross, and the Poverello Shelter. I also at times give to other causes.

Hopefully this motivates them to get a job.


Gee in Russia all are guaranteed a job by govt. under Stalin. You are still in Moscow since you will not tell us otherwise.

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
ManicProgressive posted..

But but but.....we have to stop helping the poor so we can help the rich.....

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We do...says who?

Trump

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No one should be surprised at the tRump plot to take food away from millions of poor people - doing egregious and totally unnecessary harm to poor people is the ONLY think he's actually accomplished in the last 3 years. The only question is whether or not his minions mismanaging the Dept of Agriculture made sure most of the victims would be not white.

 

IMPEACH, REMOVE, JAIL,

REPEAT with Pence, Pompeo, Perry and Rudy fopr starters.

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America, the land of plenty...apparently only for the wealthy...and neither they, nor the right, wish to share!

How Patriotic of them? For many of us,

this is not who we are. Instead, lend a hand to those less fortunate. 

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Wealth and poverty are "relative" terms.  If all the people in America were ranked by wealth, and then represented in a frequency distribution, we would have a graph (the old familiar "bell shaped curve"); those on the left side could be thought of as poor, those on the right side could be thought of as wealthy, and that person in the middle could be thought of as "middle-class".

 

All Americans, whether poor, middle-class, or wealthy, need food, clothing, shelter, medical care, transportation, emergency services, entertainment.  We all need basic stuff.

 

Our society/culture is based mostly on money.  Those on the right side, the wealthy, have more money than is needed to provide all the basic stuff of "life, liberty, happiness".  Those on the left side do not have enough to cover all the basic stuff.

 

Money needs to be shifted from the right side of the frequency distribution to the left side.  Not all of the excess money, just enough so that everyone on the left side has all the basic stuff.  Those on the right side will still have excess money; they can fondle it, count it, smell it, compute it, ruminate about it, just as they probably do now.

But those on the left side will have the "life, liberty, happiness thing".

 

It's that simple, folks.

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

 

as long as people aren't making much, they will need help.


While that is very true - that is why we have safety net programs to be used by the majority of them until they can get on their feet after some interim circumstance - whether nationally, as in a recession, or perhaps until they can correct whatever singlular problem is going on in their life.

 

As your Brookings link said . . . .

Jobs play a central role in the lives of most adults. As forces like globalization and automation reshape the labor market, it is clear that some people and places are positioned to do well while others risk becoming collateral damage.

 

We have pretty close to full employment right now and "Help Wanted" signs abound - for those that can, it is time to look at ones life and make some decisions to keep moving forward. 

 

Many of those things that Brookings mentioned are controlled by the individual - from education or training to when to have children to the area where they live considering cost of living, opportunities.

 

When programs like SNAP are temporarily expanded because of some economic condition in our nation, it is needed.  But as economic conditions change like now, it is only masking other problems, like the cost of housings in many places or perhaps job training opportunities into needed trades.  Many of these problem are more local in nature and have to be scrutinized by the states to figure out what can help the many in these situations.

 

I think you can look at the Brookings Description of Metro Low Wage Earners and see where many of the problem exist.

SEE PAGE 10 -

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/201911_Brookings-Metro_low-wage-workforce_Ross-... 

 

I don't know about you but I changed my station in life - from poverty to prosperity.  If some people can do it - others can too.  They did it when I was growing up and they are doing it now.

 

The ones that continue to need this help because of their adjusted income (new formula) are going to get it - this rule only creates a more standard formula to address the benefit inequity from state to state.  In fact, this rule change will add people to the overall number but just in different states.

 

SNAP benefits will continue to rise and fall with conditions in an area - states will still control this up and down based on periodic needs. 

 

Lots of Data here by state.

Center on Budget and Policy Priorities 12/03/2018 - A Closer Look at Who Benefits from SNAP: State-b...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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44% of our current workforce are low-wage earners.  

 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/meet-the-low-wage-workforce/

 

as long as people aren't making much, they will need help.

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The new rule will remove some people in some states but it will also add people in other states.

It is a formula change for adjustments to income done by the states to determine eligibility for the program.  Waivers can still be submitted by states if need be. 

It makes the formula more consistent from state to state - removing some of the inequities in the benefit from state to state. 

It won't affect the elderly or the disabled with low income.

It reforms some of the rules set in place (2008) by the Feds and the States during the recession - WE  AREN'T IN A RECESSION ANYMORE!

We have already done such type modification in other programs set in place during the recession period .

 

Federal Register 10/03/2019 - Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program: Standardization of State He... 

 

Government is complicated.  It should also have the ability to act and then back-off when we are going through a financially hard time and then recover.

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Hopefully this motivates them to get a job.

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Some have jobs but dependency (the Democrats way to get voters) does not help.

Some, not all that use our food bank blow their money gambling and booze ... then they use the food bank.

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“The USDA, meanwhile, estimates that the changes would reduce the SNAP budget by about $4.2 billion.”
Chasky - He's trying to pay for all of his golf trips by cutting food stamps. tRump supporters should like that.


Kid - That said I give money every month to our state food bank, the Salvation Army, American Red Cross, and the Poverello Shelter. I also at times give to other causes.

If not for his golf hobby Kid, do you know what he has in mind for the 4.2 billion proposed savings into his pocket? Instead of food, what?
Kid - Link please! Well?


You describe a successful, local feeding program. A bank. Surely the withdrawal of 4.2 billion won't deplete the shelves. Not if we all make a habit of giving, like you do, we should be able to fill that loss in no time. Isn't that right?


Moscow - Hopefully this motivates them to get a job.
Having not read the topic, you stick with a trite bumper sticker slogan. Quaint. And impressive.
“....but we’re just helping more working poor than before.”

 

Trump started the space force and now we are on track to get to Mars before 2024.
This is your rational for insisting the poor, across the board, eat no more than one meal a day to defray the cost of our (so exciting!) trip to Mars?

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