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We ALMOST have Universal Coverage - we only need to add about 15 million people, which would cost around $84Billion. If we get rid of the Republican majority in congress and replace it with a Congress that represents a majority of Americans, we'll get that done in a New York Minute.

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@t265089p wrote:

I am sorry   that many here don't like to have a National Health care system and seems to try to scare people by telling is socialized medicine. Those same people should at least research the many countries that do have a National Health care system and see how it is done before you attach any names to a National health care


Believe me, I have

 

I am an avid reader of the Commonwealth Fund International Health Care System Profiles.  I read health news publications from different countries on problems, coverage, cost, cost containment, what their people still want from their system and why it is difficult to do. 

 

I read about  how the systems are designed in funding, hierarchy, decision making and governance.  

 

We can't even use some of their concepts in working down the cost of health care - we are quick to jump on concepts like payment methodology, I.e. Pay for quality or price setting but we seem reluctant to control health care cost when it involves putting some caps on coverage or even best practice measures.

 

Commonwealth Fund 2015 - International Healthcare System Profiles

 

 

 

 

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Despite two big problems, Medicare (Single Payer) is wildly popular among seniors and would probably be extremely popular among all Americans. Despite massive fraud, it's the most efficient health care system going. Of oourse "Medicare for All" would be far more efficient if the Republicans would allow the government to negotiate drug prices.

 

But this subject is a moot discussion because the Republicans will never allow a single payer system during our lifetime. They prefer the complex, WWII for profit style we've had for approximately 75 years. Insurance company profits are more important to them then a great health care system.

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I am sorry   that many here don't like to have a National Health care system and seems to try to scare people by telling is socialized medicine. Those same people should at least research the many countries that do have a National Health care system and see how it is done before you attach any names to a National health care

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PPACA gave affordable health insurance to 34 MILLION American who had never had it before. It WOULD have given health insurance to ALL Americans, but Republicans knew that would make the program an automatic success, so they allowed the young and healthy to remain freeloaders. RedState Governors did all they could to deprive low income citizens of access to health care by refusing to expand Medicaid.  Now Republicans offer plans that will destroy the Medicaid expansion, throwing 33 million Americans back into the ranks of the uninsured, greatly expand the number of young healthy freeloaders on the system and doubling the premiums for the over 55 folks, and most important for Republicans, redistribute hundreds of billions of dollars FROM people who cannot afford health insurance TO people whose average income is $1.4MILLION.

 

Folks, Universal, single payer is easy. Here's how virtually everybody else on the planet does it:

 

The Government establishes the terms of a basic health insurance policy that everyone gets. Then pharmaceuticals are cost-controlled to allow a reasonable profit based on cost of production. The premiums are collected from everyone with an income. Then THEY pay the health care providers according to those terms, and collect the money back from the private companies who provide the insurance. If someone wants MORE than the basic coverage, they can buy it, but NOBODY gets less than that essential level, and because the insurance "pool" includes EVERYBODY, that policy is totally affordable.

 

All the other, more expansive, policies are also LESS expensive because the insurance company isn't getting hit with rising care costs because all the providers get paid for all the care they provide - no more Republican freeloaders, no more people using the ER as their family doctor, and no more hedge fund managers jacking the price of life-essential medicine by 5000% because they're soulless slime.


Many previously stated words in support of the Socialist business model - in this case specifically aimed at the health insurance industry.

 

Two issues worth looking into:

1) "Gave affordable insurance...." in some cases, yes, "gave", someone else paid for your insurance. In other cases "required" - let's not forget the mandates.

2) Who are these "Republican freeloaders"?? Are Party registration checked prior to insurance being "given"?

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PPACA gave affordable health insurance to 34 MILLION American who had never had it before. It WOULD have given health insurance to ALL Americans, but Republicans knew that would make the program an automatic success, so they allowed the young and healthy to remain freeloaders. RedState Governors did all they could to deprive low income citizens of access to health care by refusing to expand Medicaid.  Now Republicans offer plans that will destroy the Medicaid expansion, throwing 33 million Americans back into the ranks of the uninsured, greatly expand the number of young healthy freeloaders on the system and doubling the premiums for the over 55 folks, and most important for Republicans, redistribute hundreds of billions of dollars FROM people who cannot afford health insurance TO people whose average income is $1.4MILLION.

 

Folks, Universal, single payer is easy. Here's how virtually everybody else on the planet does it:

 

The Government establishes the terms of a basic health insurance policy that everyone gets. Then pharmaceuticals are cost-controlled to allow a reasonable profit based on cost of production. The premiums are collected from everyone with an income. Then THEY pay the health care providers according to those terms, and collect the money back from the private companies who provide the insurance. If someone wants MORE than the basic coverage, they can buy it, but NOBODY gets less than that essential level, and because the insurance "pool" includes EVERYBODY, that policy is totally affordable.

 

All the other, more expansive, policies are also LESS expensive because the insurance company isn't getting hit with rising care costs because all the providers get paid for all the care they provide - no more Republican freeloaders, no more people using the ER as their family doctor, and no more hedge fund managers jacking the price of life-essential medicine by 5000% because they're soulless slime.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Unfortunately speaking, a National health care system is not in the near future for the US.  the first step towards that would have been Obamacare but this program failed to realize that a system that does not include all citizens cannot prevail.
The minute that you have people that say, "I don't want the government to tell me what to do" nothing can be done in regard to a National Health care system
also the insurances and their lobbys would see that politicians don't approve it. and the Pharmaceuticals have a lot to loose if the Government tries to contain their costs and profits.
I have the feeling that we are going back to what we had in 2008


It may be closer than you think. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to pave the way for socialize medicine (aka single payer). It is failing so things might be right on course.



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Unfortunately speaking, a National health care system is not in the near future for the US.  the first step towards that would have been Obamacare but this program failed to realize that a system that does not include all citizens cannot prevail.
The minute that you have people that say, "I don't want the government to tell me what to do" nothing can be done in regard to a National Health care system
also the insurances and their lobbys would see that politicians don't approve it. and the Pharmaceuticals have a lot to loose if the Government tries to contain their costs and profits.
I have the feeling that we are going back to what we had in 2008


It may be closer than you think. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to pave the way for socialize medicine (aka single payer). It is failing so things might be right on course.


All those socialized, communists countries BOO HOO!!!!!! that actually happen to have what you call "socialiazed  medicine"  have a million times better system than anything that we have had in this country.
The mentality of non progressinve action is what is paralizing this countryn and as we have seen now, we are not even a world leader any longer
The ACA  was never a path to at single payer, and that was the biggest mistake that they made.
and now, thanks to people that want to live in the 15th century we will probably go backe to pre 2008  insurances and their rotten tactics.
Yes, the world doesn't even look at this country for anything any longer. they just learned what a waste of time that can be.
We will continue with the decline as a world power and pretty soon, we won't even  be called for important world meeting. We are becoming irrelevant at a very fast pace.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Unfortunately speaking, a National health care system is not in the near future for the US.  the first step towards that would have been Obamacare but this program failed to realize that a system that does not include all citizens cannot prevail.
The minute that you have people that say, "I don't want the government to tell me what to do" nothing can be done in regard to a National Health care system
also the insurances and their lobbys would see that politicians don't approve it. and the Pharmaceuticals have a lot to loose if the Government tries to contain their costs and profits.
I have the feeling that we are going back to what we had in 2008


It may be closer than you think. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to pave the way for socialize medicine (aka single payer). It is failing so things might be right on course.


Don't see any failure except what the Republicans are causing by their usual inability to govern. 


You are not aware that, left alone, Obamacare will fail?

 

As to failures - I do not consider the Republicans' understanding the Constitutional role of the government to be a failure.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Unfortunately speaking, a National health care system is not in the near future for the US.  the first step towards that would have been Obamacare but this program failed to realize that a system that does not include all citizens cannot prevail.
The minute that you have people that say, "I don't want the government to tell me what to do" nothing can be done in regard to a National Health care system
also the insurances and their lobbys would see that politicians don't approve it. and the Pharmaceuticals have a lot to loose if the Government tries to contain their costs and profits.
I have the feeling that we are going back to what we had in 2008


It may be closer than you think. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to pave the way for socialize medicine (aka single payer). It is failing so things might be right on course.


Don't see any failure except what the Republicans are causing by their usual inability to govern. 

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What,if anything, is AARP doing to advance single-payer (Medicare for all)?


They've been asking members to contact their elected representatives and tell them to support such a plan.

 

What they NEED to do it tell their members Republicans in House and Senate have proven their objective is to remove the bottom half of the American population from having health insurance and therefore from having meaningful health care. They did this with UNANIMOUS support for bills that will remove half the population from being able to afford health care insurance for the sole purpose of handing tens of billions in tax cuts to the very top of the 1%, and doubling the insurance premiums for everyone over 55.

Therefore, those Republicans no longer deserve a seat in our Congress, or our Statehouses.

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