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EdM965653 posted...


With your permission, I'd like to make a few observations concerning this serious and getting more serious situation. Mass murder commited by Americans against Americans by using autofire and rapid fire weapons is a plague that we must address. but it is not going to be easy.



1. I've been in communication with folks on other websites- gun rights sites, in particular. The gun people have very, very little bend in them. Their "right" to possess unlimited numbers and kinds of guns is the absolute bedrock of their lives. Any kind of gun limitation laws will be ignored and flaunted by them. They feel their right to possess these people killers is more important than other folks' right to life.

2. There are so many guns of all kinds in America now, but especially assault type guns and automatic pistols, that even if a ban on the importation of autofire weapons were instituted, there are enough people killing guns already here to supply the demand.

3. Trying to put these mass murders on the "mentally ill" is total and complete BS. These killers knew exactly what they were doing. They were not psychotic or delusional. They made plans, they obtained their weapons, and they carried out their plans. They were not crazy. They were evil and mean as hell.

4. The influence of the present occupant of the white House is the trigger for these mean, evil, vile killers to carry out their acts. If THEIR president thinks it's acceptable to say lies about other folks and denigrate anyone who doesn't talk and look like the present occupant of the White House thinks Americans should look and talk, then it's acceptable for the killers to take the next logical step.

5. The NRA- a terrorist organization if ever there was one- was once a constructive group that helped teach firearm safety and hunting laws and skills. Now, they are nothing more than a shill for gun makers, and they effectively block any kind of legislation that might have a positive effect on the killing by guns in our country. As long as the NRA pumps out their message of unlimited guns for all, the gun people will resist any kind of meaningful, realistic controls.



I would like to be more optimistic about the solution for the mass murder by autofire guns situation, but that would be dishonest. Those of us who feel there are too many guns- of all kinds- in our country have an unhill battle, but it's one that must be fought. We can't go on the way things are.



Good day to all- Ed


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"Trying to put these mass murders on the "mentally ill" is total and complete BS."

Some of the men had mental problems...so how can you say that?

"The influence of the present occupant of the white House is the trigger for these mean, evil, vile killers to carry out their acts"

And that is your opinion and a typical left wind talking point.

". The NRA- a terrorist organization if ever there was one"

And you can say that because?

FYI...Automatic weapons tend to be restricted to military and police organizations in most developed countries that permit the use of semi-automatic firearms. Where automatic weapons are permitted, restrictions and regulations on their possession and use may be much more severe than for other firearms.[1] In the United States, taxes and strict regulations affect the manufacture and sale of fully automatic firearms under the National Firearms Act. A prospective user must go through an application process administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which requires a federal tax payment of $200 and a thorough criminal background check. The tax payment buys a revenue stamp, which is the legal document allowing possession of an automatic firearm. The use of a gun trust to register with the BATFE has become an increasingly popular method of acquisition and ownership of automatic firearms.



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@Richva wrote:

I certainly agree that the folks in the gun culture are adamant about their  gun collections.   In terms of their standing ready to hold on to their guns no matter what. However, their options are limited. 

  • If they want to fight back, they will be attacking the police.  Almost everyone I know in the gun culture supports the police. 
  • They will be unable to replenish or acquire more weapons. When Australia banned these weapons, the street value of an AK-47 semi automatic rose to $10K.
  • The increased value of these weapons and the fact that the owners had been bragging about their inventories  will induce burglaries. The weapons will be confiscated as the crimes are solved. 
  • Owners will be prosecuted. There will be no upside to this. In addition to losing their inventory, they will pay fines, spend weekends in jail, and perhaps lose professional licenses. 
  • Finally, they will be forced to keep their precious weapons in safes where they can occasionally take them out and fondle them. 

Just a whiff of reality: "assault weapons" if outlawed become just like narcotics in this country, illegal, expensive, and available!


Once again you confuse reality with infantile dogma. WHEN outlawed, the semi-automatic, high(over 8) capacity weapons will become a source of income for those turning in the owners for a $1000 reward. The crooks will be the first to lose their military hardware because, well, they're CROOKS, associate with CROOKS, confide in other CROOKS, and have the CROOKS sense of solidarity with other CROOKS, to wit: NONE.

 

The lawless NRAGOPer attempting to defy the ban will take awhile longer, but they too will eventually lose their weapons.  BUT if they comply and simply modify their ugly gun collection so it is no longer semi-auto or high capacity, they can have as many as they like, in different colors even.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

 

Just a whiff of reality: "assault weapons" if outlawed become just like narcotics in this country, illegal, expensive, and available!


Available?  From where?  There will be no gun stores selling them so they will have to be smuggled in like narcotics. Now, the markup on narcotics (see link) is 6,427%  and the current "legal" price of an AK-47 is less than $700 (see link) so a bit of math tells us that an AK-47 after a ban would be $44,989.00.

 

Plus, you have the problem of a serial number on every weapon and really good inventory controls at every gun manufacturer. Makes things much easier to trace and, unlike drug labs, gun manufacturers have websites with addresses. 

 

I earlier said that an AK-47 went for $10K in Australia. I was incorrect (see link). The cost is over $15K.  Certainly assault style weapons will be available after a ban but some pencil dick, Trump loving, White Supremacist from a backwater town in Texas won't be able to put one on his Visa. 

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@Richva wrote:

I certainly agree that the folks in the gun culture are adamant about their  gun collections.   In terms of their standing ready to hold on to their guns no matter what. However, their options are limited. 

  • If they want to fight back, they will be attacking the police.  Almost everyone I know in the gun culture supports the police. 
  • They will be unable to replenish or acquire more weapons. When Australia banned these weapons, the street value of an AK-47 semi automatic rose to $10K.
  • The increased value of these weapons and the fact that the owners had been bragging about their inventories  will induce burglaries. The weapons will be confiscated as the crimes are solved. 
  • Owners will be prosecuted. There will be no upside to this. In addition to losing their inventory, they will pay fines, spend weekends in jail, and perhaps lose professional licenses. 
  • Finally, they will be forced to keep their precious weapons in safes where they can occasionally take them out and fondle them. 

Just a whiff of reality: "assault weapons" if outlawed become just like narcotics in this country, illegal, expensive, and available!

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I certainly agree that the folks in the gun culture are adamant about their  gun collections.   In terms of their standing ready to hold on to their guns no matter what. However, their options are limited. 

  • If they want to fight back, they will be attacking the police.  Almost everyone I know in the gun culture supports the police. 
  • They will be unable to replenish or acquire more weapons. When Australia banned these weapons, the street value of an AK-47 semi automatic rose to $10K.
  • The increased value of these weapons and the fact that the owners had been bragging about their inventories  will induce burglaries. The weapons will be confiscated as the crimes are solved. 
  • Owners will be prosecuted. There will be no upside to this. In addition to losing their inventory, they will pay fines, spend weekends in jail, and perhaps lose professional licenses. 
  • Finally, they will be forced to keep their precious weapons in safes where they can occasionally take them out and fondle them. 
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The gutless draft dodger ToadPOTUS is going to visit Dayton and el Paso and tell his worshipers Dayton proves only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun and El Paso proves its a mental health issue. This is what the GOPerLords and Death Merchants have decreed to be the GOP position.

 

His worshipers and the Death Merchants who fund the GOP will cheer, while everyone with half a brain will be filled with disgust.

 

Semi-auto weapons with high capacity mag/clips can fire 120 times or more each minute.

Weapons that have to have some physical action by the shooter to place the next round in the chamber and must be reloaded after 8 rounds cannot.

 

Mass murder requires the semi-auto function with the ability to fire more than 8 times before reloading.  Everything else you can do with a gun does not.

 

Ban the essential element for Mass Murder and make Mass Murder as rare as it is in Canada by removing the obstructionist GOPers from power

 

Or vote for a GOPer and see if your family is the next to die in a hail of bullets.

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If the darn members of Congress are too darn afraid to solve, or at the very least, take actions to begin the process of stopping this murdering on our streets....THEN perhaps they should put some options out for the public to vote on...a general election to help guide them where the PEOPLE want to go?!

 

This has been going on for far too long and now has gained "speed" and "velocity" like the weapon intended!  

 

Too afraid of the lobbyist....take it to the PEOPLE!!!

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CriticalThinking:   As for the paranoia of many gun owners, that's a given. I vividly remember Trump telling his minions during the election, if HIllary gets elected, she will do away with the 2nd amendment and the goverment will take away your weapons.

 

Yep, I heard that too. How dumb are these people to believe that? I remember the same thing said about Obama and gun sales shooting up as a result, yet during his 8 years in office not even a hint of gun grabbing. Do they think he just forgot to do it or something? *sigh*

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@mandm84 wrote:

Thank God for the quick and brave response of our Law Enforcement that save many lives.

No Police Officer wants to have a shoot out against a 100 Round Military Style Assault Rifle , but with these Weapons of Mass Destruction on the streets , they have no choice. Just put yourself in a Police Officer's shoes !!


You're right, but law enforcement (collectively) have generally backed R's, and also Trump, in large numbers. If they are getting a little sick of this, they know how to change it. 

 

@EdM965653  - I totally agree with your assessment.

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