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"Unite the Right" - Hate Mongers Head to VA TODAY!

More evidence the so-called Right embrace racism and hate mongering even though most Conservatives here remain in denial.

 

Unite The Right Rally in Charlottesville This Saturday

 

(CNN)Charlottesville, known as a progressive college town, is bracing for another white nationalist rally scheduled for Saturday.

 
Police anticipate as many as 2,000 to 6,000 people, including counterprotesters, to converge in the Virginia city, in an event that could be "the largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the United States," as described by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
 
So how did Charlottesville, which previously has been of little interest to white nationalists, become the rallying ground for what appears to be the third such event in the city this year?
 
Saturday's "Unite the Right" event would bring white nationalists, neo-Confederates and alt-right activists to the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee at Emancipation Park, which had recently been renamed from Lee Park.
 
The same park was the site of a May demonstration in which a group carried torches led by white nationalist Richard Spencer around the Lee statue to protest its removal.
 
 
In July, a Ku Klux Klan rally in Charlottesville drew about 50 Klan members and supporters who gathered around a statue of Confederate Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.
The historic city, home of Thomas Jefferson and the University of Virginia, has become the latest Southern battleground over the contested removal of Confederate monuments.
  Why Charlottesville?

 

Like many cities, Charlottesville has grappled with what to do with its Confederate monuments -- symbols of the Civil War that represent heritage to some, hate to others.
 
In April, the city council voted to remove the bronze statue of Lee, CNN affiliate WVIR reported. It was one of several steps Charlottesville is taking to reduce its Confederate monuments. The removal is on hold pending litigation.
 
The city became an ideal protest site for white nationalists.
 
"This entire community is a very far left community that has absorbed these cultural Marxist principles advocated in college towns across the country, about blaming white people for everything," said Jason Kessler, who organized the "Unite the Right" rally.
 
Kessler, a Charlottesville resident, blames what he calls "the anti-white hatred that's coming out of the city."
 
Although other cities such as New Orleans, St. Louis and Austin have contended with the Confederate monuments issue, it is Charlottesville where the rallies are happening.
 
"Charlottesville has kind of been put on the map recently," Mayor Mike Signer said last month. "We want to change the narrative by telling the true story of race through public spaces. That has made us a target for groups that hate that change and want to stay in the past, but we will not be intimidated."
 
 
 
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     Sigh, I wrote a long post a few weeks back that there is a certain subset of people here who want to own the last post and if they have to deflect from the topic, then that is what they will do.  

     It is an infantile position that we have observed time and time again.  

 

     The topic is that several groups of far-right white nationalists group desended on a small college town to use racists terms such as "blood and soil" to demand that civil war losers should be respected and admired, free from context.    They came with weapons to taunt anyone who dared to say that they disagreed with the far-right hate speech.

 

    And some here are hiding their racism by attempting to CYA via the "patriot" personage.   Holding onto racism is not viewed by most citizens as patriotism, but instead see it as bigotry.     

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    It is almost amusing to read the donald supporters to go from a) full support of the Alt-Right, Neo-Nazi, KKK group, to b) attempting to say both sides did it  to now c) changing the subject with deflection and denial of anyone who ever supporter any RW violence.    

    They seem to forget (?) that the name of the event was Unite the Right.     Are they now claiming that they are not part of the "right"?   Nor that Robert Mercer, who created the label Alt-Right funded Donald's campaign and that Breitbart / Bannon were not  full throated supporters of these Unite the Right groups who embraced Donald especially after he embraced their violence.  

 

     But, as they have admitted here, they like to troll, it is how they get their jollies - far away from the real events, hiding behind their key-boards.  

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@Richva wrote:

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So it begins.
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Trump picked a heck of a day to forget how to use Twitter. 

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Why have I not seen anyone on the Right here (or "independents") denounce the actions of the KKK and their march on/in Charlottesville ?  Why has no one on the Right (or "independents") admonished the KKK and their racism and racial actions?


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Why have I not seen anyone on the Right here (or "independents") denounce the actions of the KKK and their march on/in Charlottesville ?  Why has no one on the Right (or "independents" admonished the KKK and their racism and racial actions?


Could it be because "some" people's sympathies lie "somewhat" further to the right than they want you to believe?

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Anyone surprised by this?

 

 

Neo-nazis and white supremacists are celebrating Trump's remarks about the Charlottesville riots

http://www.businessinsider.com/neo-nazis-celebrate-trumps-remarks-about-charlottesville-riots-2017-8

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Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 

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@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂

So it begins.
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@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).


Funny, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and many other Republican politicians disagree with you.  Looks like it exceeds the definition of extremist views.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).


Funny, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and many other Republican politicians disagree with you.  Looks like it exceeds the definition of extremist views.


Two possible reasons:

1) we Republicans are independent in our thinking as opposed to the more "communal" thinking of the Dems;

2) I am speaking honestly as a human being - they are speaking as politicians.

 

There is nothing "extremist" about looking at both sides of a flap and finding both sides responsible for their actions. As a matter of fact, a more extreme view is, "Your guys are bad; our guys are good".

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).


Funny, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and many other Republican politicians disagree with you.  Looks like it exceeds the definition of extremist views.


Two possible reasons:

1) we Republicans are independent in our thinking as opposed to the more "communal" thinking of the Dems;

2) I am speaking honestly as a human being - they are speaking as politicians.

 

There is nothing "extremist" about looking at both sides of a flap and finding both sides responsible for their actions. As a matter of fact, a more extreme view is, "Your guys are bad; our guys are good".


There is something extremist about supporting hate speech....you can't run from it.  You've supported it several times this morning.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).


Funny, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and many other Republican politicians disagree with you.  Looks like it exceeds the definition of extremist views.


Two possible reasons:

1) we Republicans are independent in our thinking as opposed to the more "communal" thinking of the Dems;

2) I am speaking honestly as a human being - they are speaking as politicians.

 

There is nothing "extremist" about looking at both sides of a flap and finding both sides responsible for their actions. As a matter of fact, a more extreme view is, "Your guys are bad; our guys are good".


There is something extremist about supporting hate speech....you can't run from it.  You've supported it several times this morning.


That is....I believe the preferred term is "intellectual dishonesty". Finding fault on both sides of a confrontation is not supporting hate speech. Acknowledging a city's right to grant permits is not hate speech. So, examples might be useful.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


Well, our President who is certainly to the right of many of our posters has condemned the violence. Now, if you are looking for someone to condemn the made up stuff from Rich, that is not a matter of race - that is a matter of honesty (or lack thereof).


Funny, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and many other Republican politicians disagree with you.  Looks like it exceeds the definition of extremist views.


Two possible reasons:

1) we Republicans are independent in our thinking as opposed to the more "communal" thinking of the Dems;

2) I am speaking honestly as a human being - they are speaking as politicians.

 

There is nothing "extremist" about looking at both sides of a flap and finding both sides responsible for their actions. As a matter of fact, a more extreme view is, "Your guys are bad; our guys are good".


There is something extremist about supporting hate speech....you can't run from it.  You've supported it several times this morning.


That is....I believe the preferred term is "intellectual dishonesty". By you, suggesting the KKK and Alt-Right were there for a peaceful protest signing kumbaya, when in fact, they came armed and cited hate speech slogans, which is illegal.  Intellectual dishonesty indeed!

 

Finding fault on both sides of a confrontation is not supporting hate speech.  Claiming you found fault on "both sides" is intellectual dishonesty.

 

Acknowledging a city's right to grant permits is not hate speech. Ignoring the fact your group was inciting hate speech with their chants is intellectually dishonest.  So, examples might be useful.  Supporting a President that conducts hate speech and endorses it himself is embracing hate speech.  DONE!


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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I agree with Centrist who said, "There is something extremist about supporting hate speech....you can't run from it.  You've supported it several times this morning."

 

Why would someone support a President who hired WHITE NATIONALISTS to work in the White House unless ............?

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

I agree with Centrist who said, "There is something extremist about supporting hate speech....you can't run from it.  You've supported it several times this morning."

 

Why would someone support a President who hired WHITE NATIONALISTS to work in the White House unless ............?


To finish the statement in my words: " unless" they supported the policies and agenda of the KKK and White Nationalists.

 

I believe that Trump does support the White Nationalist agenda and policies of the KKK. Trump's "make America great again' is  C O D E  for that very thing. Either he supports the KKK and their agenda or he appears to in an effort to appeal to the racists and bigots that support the polices and agenda of the KKK.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@MIseker wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looking at the news, it is amazing how many of the White Lives Matter movement carry guns and Nazi flags. 


Amazed none of our non racist friends on the Right have condemned it..at all. Well, actually im not amazed. Pretty much par for th course here 🙂


They don't...in fact, they NEVER do....they just attack those who do.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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Interesting to see all the different components of the White Lives Matter organization come together in Charlottesville. 

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  Orrin Hatch has a few words of wisdom on this issue today.   

Senator Hatch Office Retweeted Alejandro Alvarez

Their tiki torches may be fueled by citronella but their ideas are fueled by hate, & have no place in civil society.

 

   Donald supporters are going to have to try harder to deflect from those that have become ardent advocates of Donald via Mercer  / Duke / and Alt-right press.   http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/346301-gop-senator-denounces-white-nationalist-rally

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Germany has no statues commemorating its former violent and oppressive ruler. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Stalin's statue was removed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Saddam Hussein's multiple statues were destroyed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Lenin's statue was removed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Franco's statues are gone. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

But here in America, we're supposed to honor and revere our own brutal, violent, and oppressive past and the leaders who endorsed and enforced it, in perpetuity. There was similar outrage when the statue for Joe Paterno, who allowed child rape to go on unreported, came down. Strange priorities when these meccas for madmen are supposed to outweigh the civility of the nation.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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@BigLib wrote:

Germany has no statues commemorating its former violent and oppressive ruler. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

 



To the contrary, during my tour in Germany our company was housed in barracks from World War II with the swastika above each entrance.

 

There were monuments remaining in towns for German soldiers of both wars.  We went to Volksfests and invaribly after a few schnapps and lowenbrau beer, there would some older soldier popping to attention in the stiff arm salute.

 

Hitler's book Mein Kampf is now available, and the country is facing it's heritage.  Yet there are those here who believe in removing statues and other memorials from view it will erase the past.

 

In some ways this is reminiscent of what happened in Germany in pre-war days.  Just like the witch hunts of the middle ages.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

 

 



To the contrary, during my tour in Germany our company was housed in barracks from World War II with the swastika above each entrance.

 

There were monuments remaining in towns for German soldiers of both wars.  We went to Volksfests and invaribly after a few schnapps and lowenbrau beer, there would some older soldier popping to attention in the stiff arm salute.

 



So what? Look at the headlines here in America today, and the Nazi symbol is all over it. And there were plenty of protesters in Charlottesville giving the Nazi salute dead-ash sober.

 

Noticed you made no references to Hitler statues. Thanks for proving my point.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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@BigLib wrote:



So what? Look at the headlines here in America today, and the Nazi symbol is all over it. And there were plenty of protesters in Charlottesville giving the Nazi salute dead-ash sober.

 

Noticed you made no references to Hitler statues. Thanks for proving my point.

 

 


And there are those here who are condemning anyone who has a different opinion as being the same?   Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with liberal views here are the same as protestors?  That is apparently what is being posted by several here.

 

One poster is even questioning about someone being a REAL AMERICAN or REAL PATRIOT.  All because they have a different opinion.  Couldn't that be said as a trait of an oppresive government? 

 

There were still plenty of NAZI reminders around the country as references to Hitler was outlawed. 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:



So what? Look at the headlines here in America today, and the Nazi symbol is all over it. And there were plenty of protesters in Charlottesville giving the Nazi salute dead-ash sober.

 

Noticed you made no references to Hitler statues. Thanks for proving my point.

 

 


And there are those here who are condemning anyone who has a different opinion as being the same?   No one has condemned anyone, Tex, that's only in YOUR head.


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I don't understand the rationale of a country that tries to erase its past.
The Civil War happened, Slavery happened. The North won and the South lost.
and that will be forever our history.

I can see taking down a monument of Hitler or even Stalin or but I haven't seen France trying to erase what happened during the French Revolution. of the Catholic church trying to erase the Inquisition.
Robert E Lee fought for what he thought was right, whether he was mistaken or not. But perhaps I don't know enough history, but was he  a man tha fought this war without honor? Or was he an honorable soldier.?
In that case, he cannot be equalize with a Stalin or a Hitler. 
I have said, probably we really need a good old fashion war. in which many of those people will fight a war and die for their country.
perhaps then many will grow up. and see the loss of life in a more pragmatic manner.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

I don't understand the rationale of a country that tries to erase its past.  I don't understand the rationale of those who think hate should be shoved in the faces of those who think it's acceptable.  The are appropriate times and places to reflect on our past, like books, museams where people can pick and choose what they want to see and experience.  Publically funded places are NOT appropriate.


The Civil War happened, Slavery happened. The North won and the South lost.
and that will be forever our history.  Yep, and reasonable people understand it doesn't need to be shoved in the faces of those who may not want to see it whenever they go to a park.

 

I can see taking down a monument of Hitler or even Stalin or but I haven't seen France trying to erase what happened during the French Revolution. of the Catholic church trying to erase the Inquisition.  For some reason, you claim it's erasing history and that's just silliness.


Robert E Lee fought for what he thought was right, which flew in the face of our country's Constitution.  David Duke is fighting for what he thought is right.....it's our history.  Want a statue of him in your community?  Why not?  whether he was mistaken or not. But perhaps I don't know enough history, but was he  a man tha fought this war without honor? Or was he an honorable soldier.?  Does an "honorable soldier" fight his country against it's Constitution?


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@BigLib wrote:

Germany has no statues commemorating its former violent and oppressive ruler. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Stalin's statue was removed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Saddam Hussein's multiple statues were destroyed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Lenin's statue was removed. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

Franco's statues are gone. People are pretty much ok with that.

 

But here in America, we're supposed to honor and revere our own brutal, violent, and oppressive past and the leaders who endorsed and enforced it, in perpetuity. There was similar outrage when the statue for Joe Paterno, who allowed child rape to go on unreported, came down. Strange priorities when these meccas for madmen are supposed to outweigh the civility of the nation.

 

Great points, Biglib.  Obviously, the racists in our society feel it's necessary to wave the Confederate battle flag (or buy one) or embrace the ugliness in our history when books and museams would serve the purpose of "reminding us" just fine.


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