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So for any countries that there might be a proposed Marshall plan, do we have embassies there, or any State Department contact? Or have they fallen prey to the “trump state department depletion program”? Asylum seekers used to be able to register there at our embassy, can they now? And weren’t we giving some aid to those countries, to help keep citizens there, and not leave to come to the US. 

And as far as a Marshall plan, are we just going to march in and exert our influence! We don’t have a great record in Central and South America. 

And why won’t a good and fair immigration policy work here in the US...

of course that would depend on trump and pence not being in charge!

 

Country over party


The idea is to improve circumstances in their native land - so the snideness about asylum seeking is not a factor. And "march in and exert our influence" - is that not what is needed??


So, are you one of those that  still feel that Tedy Roosevelt  should have annexed Cuba to the US  Just because he won a couple of battles in the Spanish American War?


Actually, YES, and then made Cuba a State before Arizona got in. Would've made more sense than handing Cuba over to a "friendly" dictator and annexing the Philipines.

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Taking property without due process is Unconstitutional. Beyond that, last time I checked, we NEVER had a tax code that was paid using property - no "$10 or 3 chickens" federal income tax rate EVER.

Do you seriously think anyone outside the Republibubble will ever believe we lived with Unconstitutional tax laws from 1936 until 1985 and NOBODY took it to court?

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Why go over, when you can go under or thru. It’s not concrete. If it’s metal, go to Home Depot and buy a gas powered metal cutter, or dig under. Why not go full Medieval and put in a moat stocked 

with alligators! 

trump’s thinking is definitely anchored in the past, along with all the associated cruelty. 

 

Country over party


Shall we then tear up all physical barriers since they serve no purpose.

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Why go over, when you can go under or thru. It’s not concrete. If it’s metal, go to Home Depot and buy a gas powered metal cutter, or dig under. Why not go full Medieval and put in a moat stocked 

with alligators! 

trump’s thinking is definitely anchored in the past, along with all the associated cruelty. 

 

Country over party

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If we cannot solve poverty and violence here in our own country, how can we do it elsewhere?

 

Presidential hopeful, Julien Castro, isn't suggesting anything new. 


Two different problems with zero connection. We need to make Central and South America more stable both economically and politically or the tide of refugees will simply increase year upon year.  Fortunately, it is solvable at a relatively moderate price tag and with much of the money going to American companies (if we structure it that way). 

 

American poverty is going to be endemic until we change the idea that the working man is the property of the employer. 


The less costly approach would be a thirty foot high wall with electrified concertina wire at the top on our southern border.


Not accurate but it does give rise to a thought. Spend a few thousand dollars doing a study on what it would cost to help the people in Central & South America VS the insanity of building a wall where very few people are trying to cross.   On the other hand, think of the market for 31 foot ladders it would create. 

 

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of mankind". Hmm, it would be a monument to Trump, wouldn't it?


31 foot ladders won't be much good for a wall 30' high with the top being covered with concertina wire (razor wire) at the top having 26KV running through it!

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@rker321 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

So for any countries that there might be a proposed Marshall plan, do we have embassies there, or any State Department contact? Or have they fallen prey to the “trump state department depletion program”? Asylum seekers used to be able to register there at our embassy, can they now? And weren’t we giving some aid to those countries, to help keep citizens there, and not leave to come to the US. 

And as far as a Marshall plan, are we just going to march in and exert our influence! We don’t have a great record in Central and South America. 

And why won’t a good and fair immigration policy work here in the US...

of course that would depend on trump and pence not being in charge!

 

Country over party


The idea is to improve circumstances in their native land - so the snideness about asylum seeking is not a factor. And "march in and exert our influence" - is that not what is needed??


So, are you one of those that  still feel that Tedy Roosevelt  should have annexed Cuba to the US  Just because he won a couple of battles in the Spanish American War?


no

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  The world-wide grid would undermind many autocrats, so I am all for it.     As storage batteries continue to improve, it would be a huge step forward to reduce the dependence of gas/oil.   https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Italy-Turns-Its-Back-On-Russian-Gas.html

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@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

So for any countries that there might be a proposed Marshall plan, do we have embassies there, or any State Department contact? Or have they fallen prey to the “trump state department depletion program”? Asylum seekers used to be able to register there at our embassy, can they now? And weren’t we giving some aid to those countries, to help keep citizens there, and not leave to come to the US. 

And as far as a Marshall plan, are we just going to march in and exert our influence! We don’t have a great record in Central and South America. 

And why won’t a good and fair immigration policy work here in the US...

of course that would depend on trump and pence not being in charge!

 

Country over party


The idea is to improve circumstances in their native land - so the snideness about asylum seeking is not a factor. And "march in and exert our influence" - is that not what is needed??


So, are you one of those that  still feel that Tedy Roosevelt  should have annexed Cuba to the US  Just because he won a couple of battles in the Spanish American War?

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@williamb39198 wrote:

So for any countries that there might be a proposed Marshall plan, do we have embassies there, or any State Department contact? Or have they fallen prey to the “trump state department depletion program”? Asylum seekers used to be able to register there at our embassy, can they now? And weren’t we giving some aid to those countries, to help keep citizens there, and not leave to come to the US. 

And as far as a Marshall plan, are we just going to march in and exert our influence! We don’t have a great record in Central and South America. 

And why won’t a good and fair immigration policy work here in the US...

of course that would depend on trump and pence not being in charge!

 

Country over party


The idea is to improve circumstances in their native land - so the snideness about asylum seeking is not a factor. And "march in and exert our influence" - is that not what is needed??

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So for any countries that there might be a proposed Marshall plan, do we have embassies there, or any State Department contact? Or have they fallen prey to the “trump state department depletion program”? Asylum seekers used to be able to register there at our embassy, can they now? And weren’t we giving some aid to those countries, to help keep citizens there, and not leave to come to the US. 

And as far as a Marshall plan, are we just going to march in and exert our influence! We don’t have a great record in Central and South America. 

And why won’t a good and fair immigration policy work here in the US...

of course that would depend on trump and pence not being in charge!

 

Country over party

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