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If we cannot solve poverty and violence here in our own country, how can we do it elsewhere?

 

Presidential hopeful, Julien Castro, isn't suggesting anything new. 


Two different problems with zero connection. We need to make Central and South America more stable both economically and politically or the tide of refugees will simply increase year upon year.  Fortunately, it is solvable at a relatively moderate price tag and with much of the money going to American companies (if we structure it that way). 

 

American poverty is going to be endemic until we change the idea that the working man is the property of the employer. 


The less costly approach would be a thirty foot high wall with electrified concertina wire at the top on our southern border.


Not accurate but it does give rise to a thought. Spend a few thousand dollars doing a study on what it would cost to help the people in Central & South America VS the insanity of building a wall where very few people are trying to cross.   On the other hand, think of the market for 31 foot ladders it would create. 

 

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of mankind". Hmm, it would be a monument to Trump, wouldn't it?

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@Richva wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

 

If we cannot solve poverty and violence here in our own country, how can we do it elsewhere?

 

Presidential hopeful, Julien Castro, isn't suggesting anything new. 


Two different problems with zero connection. We need to make Central and South America more stable both economically and politically or the tide of refugees will simply increase year upon year.  Fortunately, it is solvable at a relatively moderate price tag and with much of the money going to American companies (if we structure it that way). 

 

American poverty is going to be endemic until we change the idea that the working man is the property of the employer. 


The less costly approach would be a thirty foot high wall with electrified concertina wire at the top on our southern border.

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@GailL1 wrote:

 

If we cannot solve poverty and violence here in our own country, how can we do it elsewhere?

 

Presidential hopeful, Julien Castro, isn't suggesting anything new. 


Two different problems with zero connection. We need to make Central and South America more stable both economically and politically or the tide of refugees will simply increase year upon year.  Fortunately, it is solvable at a relatively moderate price tag and with much of the money going to American companies (if we structure it that way). 

 

American poverty is going to be endemic until we change the idea that the working man is the property of the employer. 

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@FredSmif 

There is already such plans with a lot of different angles - some government based, others by private and non-profit entities - seems to be working for the countries as a whole but there is still the problem of getting this economic opportunity down to the people who are most affected by the poverty and gang violence.  It is not any different than here - at every step of the way, the more educated, the more affluent, the movers and the shakers, the thinkers, the actual doers use the purposed bounty to create some prosperity with themselves 1st in line - they hire the next rung down and so on - those at the bottom have nothing to contribute except their sweat which doesn't pay much, especially there.

 

People here don't seem to want to accept what things we have done / are already doing to foster help to these countries.  We have to work from both angles - trying to help those countries and at the same time try to halt too many from coming here - you do know that out of all who seek asylum from our Southern border (Northern Triangle), only about 20% actually finally secure refugee status - that is 80% of them that will be deported at some point in time, if ever.  The main reason is that most cannot prove their reason for asylum even though they may work for years trying to prove it with the help of immigration attorneys.

 

U.S. Chanber of commerce - 01/16/2019 - Concerned about Immigration and the Border? Then Help the No...

 

The George W. Bush Institute 05/25/2018 - Jobs and Opportunity Are the Only Path to Peace in Central...

 

Council on Foreign Relations 06/26/2018 - Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle - History and ...

 

In this area -

We have invested in fighting the violence - gangs, drugs, homicide rates

We have invested in economic development

Look how long it took to get Mexico on the road to some prosperity to curb their escape to here.

And now they aren't even willing to become a Safe Thrid Country as we are with Canada.

 

As always, it is up to each citizen of a country to make change happen - isn't it?

Perhaps we would come out better just sending them back after we have photos of them, finger prints for ever man, woman, child, unaccompanied or accompanied, with a BIG check for each of them as their allotment to change the direction of their country and start a new life in their country.   Once and done - after that, it is up to them to change the course of their respective nation.

 

Other countries in the region have done so without a tremendous amount of money from us.  Other countries in the region are not accepting too many immigrants from this area - but they do some.

Why not help a nation that is already on the road to prosperity with the stipulation that they accept these Northern Triangle asylum seekers - Hello Mexico!  At least then we would have some assurance that the plan might actually work.

 

If we cannot solve poverty and violence here in our own country, how can we do it elsewhere?

 

Presidential hopeful, Julien Castro, isn't suggesting anything new. 

* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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@rker321 - Yes, I do understand, and agree with you about the corrupt governments, the gangs, and US involvement in Central American affairs in the past. But there's always room to change course and have policies to forge a new direction.

 

The only way to solve the mass migration problem is to get at the root of the problem. There is opportunity that a part of solving the climate crisis could be a part of the solution to Central America. But it's not the only matter that has to be addressed. As you say, gangs and corrupt governments are part of the equation that must be dealt with.

 

One thing that must be done, and first on my list, is to stop the flow of guns going south from the US through Mexico to Central America. The second thing is to beef up border security at the ports of entry, and get the technoligical and human resources needed, and requested, to stop the drugs and human trafficking going north through the ports every day, especially Laredo. 

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Not only would we not send them cash, we would use American companies to do the work. Most of the money would actually return to the U.S. and help improve our economy.  


I have to confess that I don't understand your post. having companies in Latin  America do the work that you say,? Americans companies have always been in Latin America  and I really don't remember them being or dealing with the internal political issues or any of the Latin Americans problems. They worked with the government and their policies which we all  know have always been quite corrupt. and creating and Anti Yankee  mentality throughout.
I really don't know how we or anyone can resolve the issue that exists in Latin America of today. I do believe that what is happening is the result of continuous governments that have been very negative and corrupt in those countries creating an environment of hatred and violence,
Unfortunately because of this country's history in Latin America, at this time, I don't see how we can help those countries without creating an even larger distrust of the USA.

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Something like that could certainly stabilize things in the area. But there is a problem. The Marshall plan was based on rebuilding war ravished nations in which the enemy had been defeated. I wonder about the possibility of working cooperatively with gang directed leaders in these nations. We have seen the results of just sending them money - it goes into the pockets of the leaders, not the improvements intended.


Not only would we not send them cash, we would use American companies to do the work. Most of the money would actually return to the U.S. and help improve our economy.  

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Something like that could certainly stabilize things in the area. But there is a problem. The Marshall plan was based on rebuilding war ravished nations in which the enemy had been defeated. I wonder about the possibility of working cooperatively with gang directed leaders in these nations. We have seen the results of just sending them money - it goes into the pockets of the leaders, not the improvements intended.

 

Don't give them money, give them a power grid, roads and bridges.

 

 

This is like a homeless person with a sign that says feed me, don't give them money, buy them something to eat.

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You are proposing addressing the problem at its root rather than the symptoms at our border. PLUS, you cannot fit the proposed solution on a bumper sticker. 

 

This is so against the principles of MAGA-mind

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Something like that could certainly stabilize things in the area. But there is a problem. The Marshall plan was based on rebuilding war ravished nations in which the enemy had been defeated. I wonder about the possibility of working cooperatively with gang directed leaders in these nations. We have seen the results of just sending them money - it goes into the pockets of the leaders, not the improvements intended.

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