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@Richva , so like many people, you only have questions and no real answers, just questions with theories.  Theories that have not been able to be reproduced.  Sorry @Richva , that’s not science.

 

Enjoy your day and good luck working on all those theories...

 

 

 


Same problem with the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the "big bang" theory.  Actually, it appears the theory of man made climate change is being proved right in front of us. Ask the coastal property owners losing land. Ask the climate refugees. Ask the military who are treating it as a national security issue and so on. 

 

The one thing you cannot do is offer a single observation by a credible source which contradicts the "Theory" of man made climate change.  That is how the scientific method works. 

 

If you don't believe is science, just say so. 


ROFLMAO !!!!  It was a "theory" that there is gravity.  It was a "theory' that the earth is round".  It was a "theory" that the earth revolved around the sun.

 

Some still deny that those things are true, and most of those are also deniers of the science of Global Warming and man accelerating it. The ice caps could completely melt and they would still be in denial.


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@Richva wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

OK, I'll bite...  

 

When did we people change the climate and what did we do to change it, from what to what?

 

OH, this is the question I love to get.  

  • First, I ask if there is any evidence that the massive and sudden changes in global temperatures have any cause other than the spike in greenhouse gasses. This is followed by the sound of crickets from the deniers.
  • THEN, I ask if there is any evidence supporting another cause of greenhouse gasses besides the activity of man. 
  • Finally, I give a sampling of the peer reviewed scientific papers (see below) and invite the climate deniers to post the studies which provide peer reviewed evidence that man and man generated greenhouse gasses are not the cause.  This is either followed by crickets or they quote an attorney or English major as their source. 

I LOVE this argument.  

 

Environmental Defense  Fund

https://www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-we-know-humans-triggered-climate-change

 

NASA studies

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Union of Concerned Scientists

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html

National Oceanic and AtmosphericAdministration.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/videos/what-causing-global-climate-change

British Geological Survey

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateChange/CCS/Anthropogenic.html

 


You "love this argument" because you (and I) rightly believe in science. Deniers ignore science and reason.


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say 74 public and medical groups. They said it is not just a threat to our environment it is a threat to our health and well being. "Health risks in the future are dire without specific action to fight climate change". Two prominent groups involved here are the American Medical Association and the American Heart Association. Hard to ignore their warnings!!!!

 

American Heart Assoc. and American Medical Assoc. say climate change is a health emergency!


It's not hard for Deniers to ignore anything, anyone, or any group that supports addressing Climate Change ............... even these two learned and prestigious groups.


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@Richva 

 

A scientific theory is a specific type of theory used in the scientific method. The term "theory" can mean something different, depending on whom you ask. 

 

"The way that scientists use the word 'theory' is a little different than how it is commonly used in the lay public," said Jaime Tanner, a professor of biology at Marlboro College. "Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but in science the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts."

The process of becoming a scientific theory

Every scientific theory starts as a hypothesis. A scientific hypothesis is a suggested solution for an unexplained occurrence that doesn't fit into a currently accepted scientific theory. In other words, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific methodand becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon. 

Tanner further explained that a scientific theory is the framework for observations and facts. Theories may change, or the way that they are interpreted may change, but the facts themselves don't change. Tanner likens theories to a basket in which scientists keep facts and observations that they find. The shape of that basket may change as the scientists learn more and include more facts. "For example, we have ample evidence of traits in populations becoming more or less common over time (evolution), so evolution is a fact but the overarching theories about evolution, the way that we think all of the facts go together might change as new observations of evolution are made," Tanner told Live Science.

Theory basics

The University of California, Berkley, defines a theory as "a broad, natural explanation for a wide range of phenomena. Theories are concise, coherent, systematic, predictive, and broadly applicable, often integrating and generalizing many hypotheses." 

 

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists' explanations and interpretations of the facts. 

 

An important part of scientific theory includes statements that have observational consequences. A good theory, like Newton's theory of gravity, has unity, which means it consists of a limited number of problem-solving strategies that can be applied to a wide range of scientific circumstances. Another feature of a good theory is that it formed from a number of hypotheses that can be tested independently.

The evolution of a scientific theory

A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.

 

Theories are foundations for furthering scientific knowledge and for putting the information gathered to practical use. Scientists use theories to develop inventions or find a cure for a disease.

 

Some think that theories become laws, but theories and laws have separate and distinct roles in the scientific method. A law is a description of an observed phenomenon in the natural world that hold true every time it is tested. It doesn't explain why something is true; it just states that it is true. A theory, on the other hand, explains observations that are gathered during the scientific process. So, while law and theory are part of the scientific process, they are two very different aspects, according to the National Science Teachers Association. 

 

A good example of the difference between a theory and a law is the case of Gregor Mendel. In his research, Mendel discovered that two separate genetic traits would appear independently of each other in different offspring. "Yet Mendel knew nothing of DNA or chromosomes. It wasn't until a century later that scientists discovered DNA and chromosomes — the biochemical explanation of Mendel's laws," said Peter Coppinger, an associate professor of biology and biomedical engineering at the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology. "It was only then that scientists, such as T.H. Morgan working with fruit flies, explained the Law of Independent Assortment using the theory of chromosomal inheritance. Still today, this is the universally accepted explanation (theory) for Mendel's Law."

 

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

 

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@Richva , so like many people, you only have questions and no real answers, just questions with theories.  Theories that have not been able to be reproduced.  Sorry @Richva , that’s not science.

 

Enjoy your day and good luck working on all those theories...

 

 

 


Same problem with the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the "big bang" theory.  Actually, it appears the theory of man made climate change is being proved right in front of us. Ask the coastal property owners losing land. Ask the climate refugees. Ask the military who are treating it as a national security issue and so on. 

 

The one thing you cannot do is offer a single observation by a credible source which contradicts the "Theory" of man made climate change.  That is how the scientific method works. 

 

If you don't believe is science, just say so. 

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when we put 415 ppm of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere Jim! A level not seen in oh about 3 million years.
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@Richva , so like many people, you only have questions and no real answers, just questions with theories.  Theories that have not been able to be reproduced.  Sorry @Richva , that’s not science.

 

Enjoy your day and good luck working on all those theories...

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

OK, I'll bite...  

 

When did we people change the climate and what did we do to change it, from what to what?

 

OH, this is the question I love to get.  

  • First, I ask if there is any evidence that the massive and sudden changes in global temperatures have any cause other than the spike in greenhouse gasses. This is followed by the sound of crickets from the deniers.
  • THEN, I ask if there is any evidence supporting another cause of greenhouse gasses besides the activity of man. 
  • Finally, I give a sampling of the peer reviewed scientific papers (see below) and invite the climate deniers to post the studies which provide peer reviewed evidence that man and man generated greenhouse gasses are not the cause.  This is either followed by crickets or they quote an attorney or English major as their source. 

I LOVE this argument.  

 

Environmental Defense  Fund

https://www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-we-know-humans-triggered-climate-change

 

NASA studies

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Union of Concerned Scientists

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html

National Oceanic and AtmosphericAdministration.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/videos/what-causing-global-climate-change

British Geological Survey

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateChange/CCS/Anthropogenic.html

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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@Richva wrote:

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@Tom5678 wrote:

say 74 public and medical groups. They said it is not just a threat to our environment it is a threat to our health and well being. "Health risks in the future are dire without specific action to fight climate change". Two prominent groups involved here are the American Medical Association and the American Heart Association. Hard to ignore their warnings!!!!

 

American Heart Assoc. and American Medical Assoc. say climate change is a health emergency!


You actually believe that man can “Do Something” that will stop our climate from operating within its normal cycles?

 

What can man do and what is the effect?  How confident are you that China and India will do what you outline as the answer to the above questionAll s?

 

I really think you guys flatter yourselves thinking you are in charge of the climate...

 

 


All the science says we changed it once.............we can change it again


OK, I'll bite...  

 

When did we people change the climate and what did we do to change it, from what to what?

 

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@Tom5678 wrote:

say 74 public and medical groups. They said it is not just a threat to our environment it is a threat to our health and well being. "Health risks in the future are dire without specific action to fight climate change". Two prominent groups involved here are the American Medical Association and the American Heart Association. Hard to ignore their warnings!!!!

 

American Heart Assoc. and American Medical Assoc. say climate change is a health emergency!


You actually believe that man can “Do Something” that will stop our climate from operating within its normal cycles?

 

What can man do and what is the effect?  How confident are you that China and India will do what you outline as the answer to the above questionAll s?

 

I really think you guys flatter yourselves thinking you are in charge of the climate...

 

 


All the science says we changed it once.............we can change it again

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