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@Richvawrote:

 

 

 

What what the Roy Tillerson quote? Oh yes "What a moron!".


Is that Rex's brother?


Well, I meant "Rex" but if he has a brother, I bet he also thinks trump is a moron. Most Americans do. 

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Maryland has a decent crabbing industry. Not as robust as it once was, but it’s a generational trade for many familes on our eastern shore. 

 

They are are being seriously hurt by the lack of work visas for temporary workers. Picking crabs isn’t easy. And it’s highly seasonal. Apparently there is a limit on the number issued and most went to hurricane-hit areas. Even if the Trump administration overrides the limit to let Maryland businesses get visas for temp workers, an eighth of the season has passed, and they are all financially hurting. 

 

Add to that the fact that Maryland has used cigarette restitution funds for two decades to financially encourage farmers to ditch their tobacco crops and grow soy instead. About half our major crops are soy.

 

Both of these industries are in the Trump country parts of Maryland. 

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    It was quite astounding to listen to another of the RW sister sarahs proclaim that all the jobs and farms that will be harmed...are just a small price / pain that the US must get used to.     So, midwest farmers - for your vote - you must just "get over it', if you lose you home and farm - that is part of the RW plan as maga...more serfs.

 

let's see if ignobles will do any of the math and comprehend what industries will be  most affected by the nonsensical tariffs that result in US  job losses.    WARNING: Math may be involved:

 

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@afisherwrote:

    The trade deficit expands.    

     The Commerce Department said on Thursday the trade gap rose 1.6 percent to $57.6 billion, the highest level since October 2008. The deficit has now risen for six straight months. The goods trade deficit was the highest since July 2008 and the surplus on services was the lowest since December 2012.

 

    Oh but wait, this is how the ignoble donald supporters and donald will spin this:  The politically sensitive goods trade deficit with China fell 18.6 percent to $29.3 billion.

    Because in their wet-dream, only the deficit with China is worth discussing.

 

    Ignore reality, especially this:  The deficit with Mexico surged 46.6 percent in February.

 

     Once again, expect that the ignoble donald supporters only look at a pinpoint via their myopic vision and ignore the greater / whole economic picture.   

 

   h/t reuters


Republicans are masters at getting people to focus on the mote and ignore the beam. In this case it's the fact our deficit with China has made it possible for the GOPerLords to provide inexpensive luxuries to all above the bottom 20% (who seldom vote) so they don't notice their real income continues to shrink to pay for the Reagan Tax Scam and Republican deregulation of predatory Oligarchs.

 

Yes Mr&Mrs AverageTrumpette, you can still afford a nice used Chevy with your $54,000 income, BUT you could've had a new Lexus with the $30,000 your employer didn't give you because the Reaganscam meant they could keep it for themself.

 

Your kids can make $7.50/hr to help pay for their college, but if GOPers had just kept the minimum wage growing equal to inflation, they'd be getting $12/hr and without the Reaganscam, that would pay for their college without borrowing.

 

And your dear Grandkids ONLY cost your kids $200 each for their textbooks each year when before the Reaganscam there was plenty from Revenue Sharing to make all those books FREE, along with participation in sports, music and drama programs and free school supplies.

 

Let's not forget Social Security, which the GOPers will allow to die rather than increase the cap back to where Reagan put it, about $250,000 in adjusted dollars, so it will be there for you and your posterity.

 

Republicans keep lying about their taxscams allowing people to keep more of THEIR money, but omit the part about taxes being the price we must pay for our civilization and not some charity that ought to be entirely voluntary.

 

In the 1960's, those taxes supported a civilization that had every generation doing better then their parents and the gap between rich and poor DECREASED every year. Most workers belonged to Unions that negotiated fair wages and work conditions AND generous retirement packages. Yes, there was terrible legalized racism and sexism, but those things don't cost money, only a change in law followed (eventually) by a change in attitude - just like our young people no longer have the "attitude" that being gay is a terrible sin that people chose.

 

Globalization is not a "force of Nature" that REQUIRES jobs to migrate to the lowest level - THAT is a CHOICE made by the Oligarchs, and made more profitable by Republicans. Automation may be a factor in higher productivity, but without the remaining workers, those machines are worthless. And remember that those two factors - migration of jobs to lowest possible level and automation - have been with us since Mssr Jacquard invented his automated loom and the end of indentured servatude allowed people to change jobs.

 

No my friends, the erosion of the middle class is NOT inevidable because of irresistable natural forces, it is LEGISLATED and the ones passing the laws are all Republicans.

 

Now the infant POTUS has begun a "Trade War" that will accellerate the decline in American wages and an even steeper decline in living standards for the 99% who will not be able to keep up with inflation he creates.

 

And do not for a moment believe this is "collateral damage" - it is and always has been the objective of the Uberrich - the redistribution of wealth from the middle to the very top until there is no Middle Class to bother the councils of the Oligarchs with petty greivances concerning wages and equality. the new poor will not risk losing the bad jobs they need to survive, so long as they can find a place tor rent, get that cheap Chinese 60" Plasma screen and a used Chevy.

 

SAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS - VOTE OUT THE NRAGOP!

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@NOTHAPPENINGwrote:

@Richvawrote:

 

 

 

What what the Roy Tillerson quote? Oh yes "What a moron!".


Is that Rex's brother?


Do you seriously think typo's detract from the fact that your infantile POTUS is a moron?

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@Richvawrote:

 

 

 

What what the Roy Tillerson quote? Oh yes "What a moron!".


Is that Rex's brother?

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    The trade deficit expands.    

     The Commerce Department said on Thursday the trade gap rose 1.6 percent to $57.6 billion, the highest level since October 2008. The deficit has now risen for six straight months. The goods trade deficit was the highest since July 2008 and the surplus on services was the lowest since December 2012.

 

    Oh but wait, this is how the ignoble donald supporters and donald will spin this:  The politically sensitive goods trade deficit with China fell 18.6 percent to $29.3 billion.

    Because in their wet-dream, only the deficit with China is worth discussing.

 

    Ignore reality, especially this:  The deficit with Mexico surged 46.6 percent in February.

 

     Once again, expect that the ignoble donald supporters only look at a pinpoint via their myopic vision and ignore the greater / whole economic picture.   

 

   h/t reuters

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The infant POTUS had a tantrum and entire industries are suffering the consequences. Yes China is doing things that benefit China at our expense, but they also soak up a huge portion of our National Debt each year, and haven't complained we're not even covering inflation with the intrest rates.

 

That magical mystical "market force" NRAGOPers like to blame for their War on the Middle Class actually worked - we got all the cheap  steel, TVs, sound systems and cell phones  (and no jobs building any of those things) and all China got was pictures of OUR Dead Presidents and a safe place to stash their trade surplus

 

The impact of Der Trumpers stupidity will take awhile to assess - we'll have to see what gets planted in the next few weeks as farmers try and guess if its corn or beans that will pay their bills. If they guess wrong, then there'll be many fewer "family farms", the Food Factories will get even bigger and another way of life will disappear - farming will become agribusiness.

 

 

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"Beans" VS Steel

 

As you point out ....... the US doesn't have a monopoly on either.  China can buy beans from and sell steel to other countries .  

 

Question is who can the US sell to, who replaces China in this trade war, soybeans is / was one of the USA's top export items.

 

 


Excellent point.  Imported steel accounts for about 30% of the steel sold here which is about the same percentage as the total crop of U.S. beans sold to China.  Since the U.S. steel industry RAISED their prices to take advantage of the tariff and farmers must LOWER their prices in order to compete, it looks like the Chinese steel industry will see no net price impact while the American farmer will go bankrupt.  Another example of Republicans being unable to govern. 

 

Don't look for any conservative posts here. They either know I am correct or don't understand tariffs.  Or, they just love to put on taxes to pay for their deficits. 

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"Beans" VS Steel

 

As you point out ....... the US doesn't have a monopoly on either.  China can buy beans from and sell steel to other countries .  

 

Question is who can the US sell to, who replaces China in this trade war, soybeans is / was one of the USA's top export items.

 

 

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