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jim, you are making a good point. Some of us see people and others see race. The latter is a devastating form of racism. I have a hard time thinking that intelligent people can't see that. So I'm convinced that when one takes the word "see" and acts like it is a purely visual thing and another says something along the lines of, "Yeah but you support the Kluxers" - I can't help they are playing games to cover the reality of the sort of racism we are talking about.

 

A while back I posted an example that got nothing back but insults. When you assign a student to a school because of his race under segregation, that is racism. When you assign a student to a school because of his race under integration, that is busing.

 

So, assigning based on race is either good or bad depending on what they say.

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@jimc91 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

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@gruffstuff wrote:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

 

Study: Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man

 

In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues.

 

All it takes to reduce support for housing assistance among Donald Trump supporters is exposure to an image of a black man.

 

That’s the takeaway from a new study by researchers Matthew Luttig, Christopher Federico, and Howard Lavine, set to be published in Research & Politics. In a randomized survey experiment, the trio of researchers exposed respondents to images of either a white or black man. They found that when exposed to the image of a black man, white Trump supporters were less likely to back a federal mortgage aid program. Favorability toward Trump was a key measure for how strong this effect was.

 

 

Exploiting ingrained racism is the Republican way.


The mind reading ability of this poster is amazing.

 

I see people.  You seem to see Black or White people.


But then seeing what is someone's race is not racism. You are welcome to try and prove differently.


Why would any person want or need to?  The sooner we as people focus on our similarities rather than the differences like skin color, the better our world becomes.  Someone had a tag line here talking about learning from history...  Sound advice don't you think?  We don't need to repeat history, just learn from it.  We (people of the planet) are all created in the image of GOD.  I see that as a really good thing.

 

Food for thought moving in the direction of a better world for our kids and grandkids...

 

 

 


In a sense Jim you are correct. But you dont support the groups that really mean it because they will turn things upside down. real equality in justice, econimics, education, and opportunity are items the right will fight to PREVENT. The question is, for being supposedly color blind, why?

 

So it begins.
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Chas the magazine In These Times has an article about the wagner act. It says FDR got it wrong establishing it under the 14th amendment, the commerce clause...because courts will rule in favor of not hurting commerce. the AFL CIO wanted it under the 13th amendment..anti slavery. food for thought is all.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

 

Study: Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man

 

In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues.

 

All it takes to reduce support for housing assistance among Donald Trump supporters is exposure to an image of a black man.

 

That’s the takeaway from a new study by researchers Matthew Luttig, Christopher Federico, and Howard Lavine, set to be published in Research & Politics. In a randomized survey experiment, the trio of researchers exposed respondents to images of either a white or black man. They found that when exposed to the image of a black man, white Trump supporters were less likely to back a federal mortgage aid program. Favorability toward Trump was a key measure for how strong this effect was.

 

 

Exploiting ingrained racism is the Republican way.


The mind reading ability of this poster is amazing.

 

I see people.  You seem to see Black or White people.


But then seeing what is someone's race is not racism. You are welcome to try and prove differently.


Why would any person want or need to?  The sooner we as people focus on our similarities rather than the differences like skin color, the better our world becomes.  Someone had a tag line here talking about learning from history...  Sound advice don't you think?  We don't need to repeat history, just learn from it.  We (people of the planet) are all created in the image of GOD.  I see that as a really good thing.

 

Food for thought moving in the direction of a better world for our kids and grandkids...

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

 

Study: Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man

 

In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues.

 

All it takes to reduce support for housing assistance among Donald Trump supporters is exposure to an image of a black man.

 

That’s the takeaway from a new study by researchers Matthew Luttig, Christopher Federico, and Howard Lavine, set to be published in Research & Politics. In a randomized survey experiment, the trio of researchers exposed respondents to images of either a white or black man. They found that when exposed to the image of a black man, white Trump supporters were less likely to back a federal mortgage aid program. Favorability toward Trump was a key measure for how strong this effect was.

 

 

Exploiting ingrained racism is the Republican way.


The mind reading ability of this poster is amazing.

 

I see people.  You seem to see Black or White people.


But then seeing what is someone's race is not racism. You are welcome to try and prove differently.


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@gruffstuff wrote:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

 

Study: Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man

 

In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues.

 

All it takes to reduce support for housing assistance among Donald Trump supporters is exposure to an image of a black man.

 

That’s the takeaway from a new study by researchers Matthew Luttig, Christopher Federico, and Howard Lavine, set to be published in Research & Politics. In a randomized survey experiment, the trio of researchers exposed respondents to images of either a white or black man. They found that when exposed to the image of a black man, white Trump supporters were less likely to back a federal mortgage aid program. Favorability toward Trump was a key measure for how strong this effect was.

 

 

Exploiting ingrained racism is the Republican way.


The mind reading ability of this poster is amazing.

 

I see people.  You seem to see Black or White people.

 

 

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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Over time, when our Congress represented 'The people', passed amendments giving all the right to vote, equal rights, and to organize into labor unions, our country prospered and a larger amount of the whole shared in it. That wasn't "trashing the whole thing".  As the 1% and the Corporations took over our POLs with their billions in campaign finance and lobbying, things started progressing backwards towards serfdom again. Their campaign to weaken unions through RTW laws disassembled a united labor force in America which gave working citizens a large voice in Washington.
Yet they are acting under the Constitution written by those "rich white men". So, besides complaining, if not totally trashed, what??

 

The Constitution has been amended many times since the "rich white men" wrote it. 'amended to better reflect the needs of society' rather than just "rich white men". You should have read closer and you would have noticed this.

 

Workers always had the right to organize or "the right not to organize" through a majority vote of the workforce, based on pure democratic principles. Going back to that would 'make America great again'.

And that is why we are a Republic, we also respect the rights of the minority. 

 

The minority in any democratic vote, even in a 'Republic',  accepts the outcome and ruling of that vote. I guess you would like to "totally trash that"?


 Yes, in our form of government the workers accept the fact that now we have a union in this factory. To join or not to join is the right of the individual.

 

But, getting back to your history of the faults with our nation - what is your solution for that document written by those "rich old white men"??


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

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Over time, when our Congress represented 'The people', passed amendments giving all the right to vote, equal rights, and to organize into labor unions, our country prospered and a larger amount of the whole shared in it. That wasn't "trashing the whole thing".  As the 1% and the Corporations took over our POLs with their billions in campaign finance and lobbying, things started progressing backwards towards serfdom again. Their campaign to weaken unions through RTW laws disassembled a united labor force in America which gave working citizens a large voice in Washington.
Yet they are acting under the Constitution written by those "rich white men". So, besides complaining, if not totally trashed, what??

 

The Constitution has been amended many times since the "rich white men" wrote it. 'amended to better reflect the needs of society' rather than just "rich white men". You should have read closer and you would have noticed this.

 

Workers always had the right to organize or "the right not to organize" through a majority vote of the workforce, based on pure democratic principles. Going back to that would 'make America great again'.

And that is why we are a Republic, we also respect the rights of the minority. 

 

The minority in any democratic vote, even in a 'Republic',  accepts the outcome and ruling of that vote. I guess you would like to "totally trash that"?


 


 


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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Simply studying the history of our country shows the rich white men oppressing the poor and anyone of a different skin color than them, facts that cannot be denied.

 

Studying labor history in this country shows the same. Heck the rich whites imported the Chinese to build the railroad and the sit down strike (protest) by the Chines and others was one of the first 'strikes'.

 

Even the Constitution was written with rich (white) land owners being the only ones who could vote. 'rich white land owners' back then were 'rich white males'.

 

Sure, the slaves were freed. Women and blacks gained the right to vote. We even have the equal rights laws passed in the early sixties. We wouldn't have to have laws against discrimination/oppression if there weren't so many willing to do the discriminating/oppressing.

 

Unions were formed to stop oppression and discrimination.  Unions fought for equal rights for all. It was working, so the grand ole' Republicans started pumping dollars into getting RTW laws passed on the state level to weaken and destroy unions.

 

Just studying the long history of labor in America is an eye opener about the roots of racism and sexism and it's long history in America.

 

Many deny history for different reasons, some because they see nothing wrong with how it was and yearn for it to return.


Our history does show us to be imperfect. The question arises, what do we do - trash the whole thing and start over?? If not, our government and our laws will continue to be the product of those "rich white men".

 

Since you brought up RTW again - how can one demand the right to organize while denying the right to not organize and call that "fair"?


Over time, when our Congress represented 'The people', passed amendments giving all the right to vote, equal rights, and to organize into labor unions, our country prospered and a larger amount of the whole shared in it. That wasn't "trashing the whole thing".  As the 1% and the Corporations took over our POLs with their billions in campaign finance and lobbying, things started progressing backwards towards serfdom again. Their campaign to weaken unions through RTW laws disassembled a united labor force in America which gave working citizens a large voice in Washington.
Yet they are acting under the Constitution written by those "rich white men". So, besides complaining, if not totally trashed, what??

 

Workers always had the right to organize or "the right not to organize" through a majority vote of the workforce, based on pure democratic principles. Going back to that would 'make America great again'.

And that is why we are a Republic, we also respect the rights of the minority. 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

Simply studying the history of our country shows the rich white men oppressing the poor and anyone of a different skin color than them, facts that cannot be denied.

 

Studying labor history in this country shows the same. Heck the rich whites imported the Chinese to build the railroad and the sit down strike (protest) by the Chines and others was one of the first 'strikes'.

 

Even the Constitution was written with rich (white) land owners being the only ones who could vote. 'rich white land owners' back then were 'rich white males'.

 

Sure, the slaves were freed. Women and blacks gained the right to vote. We even have the equal rights laws passed in the early sixties. We wouldn't have to have laws against discrimination/oppression if there weren't so many willing to do the discriminating/oppressing.

 

Unions were formed to stop oppression and discrimination.  Unions fought for equal rights for all. It was working, so the grand ole' Republicans started pumping dollars into getting RTW laws passed on the state level to weaken and destroy unions.

 

Just studying the long history of labor in America is an eye opener about the roots of racism and sexism and it's long history in America.

 

Many deny history for different reasons, some because they see nothing wrong with how it was and yearn for it to return.


Our history does show us to be imperfect. The question arises, what do we do - trash the whole thing and start over?? If not, our government and our laws will continue to be the product of those "rich white men".

 

Since you brought up RTW again - how can one demand the right to organize while denying the right to not organize and call that "fair"?


Over time, when our Congress represented 'The people', passed amendments giving all the right to vote, equal rights, and to organize into labor unions, our country prospered and a larger amount of the whole shared in it. That wasn't "trashing the whole thing".  As the 1% and the Corporations took over our POLs with their billions in campaign finance and lobbying, things started progressing backwards towards serfdom again. Their campaign to weaken unions through RTW laws disassembled a united labor force in America which gave working citizens a large voice in Washington.

 

Workers always had the right to organize or "the right not to organize" through a majority vote of the workforce, based on pure democratic principles. Going back to that would 'make America great again'.


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