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chasky wrote-So everything they did is OK and you think Manafort be pardoned?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manafort didn`t deserve what is basically a life sentence.He was treated much differently than other people who did the similar  unlawful activities (hillary)just because he worked for Trump for less than 2 years.  . As far as a pardon-Remember Bill Clinton giving a pardon to Marc Rich who did much worse than Manafort . Rich not only  gave illegal campaign contributions to Bill Clinton but defrauded the US government and corporations out of millions.


Another in a long list of Republican WHATABOUTisms, as in WHATABOUT Hillary, Whitewater, Monica, shouted by the RW whenever a Republican gets indicted or convicted of some felony crime or indecent act with a minor.

 

In this case, I'd like to add:

WHATABOUT THE FACT RICH WAS NEVER CONVICTED BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS WHILE MANAFORT WAS. 

 

WHATABOUT THE FACT RICH WAS NEVER CHARGED WITH MAKING ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OR DEFRAUDING THE GOVERNMENT.

 

WHATABOUT THE FACT COMEY RELEASED THIS 16-YEAR-OLD INVESTIGATION WEEKS BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION (ALONG WITH HIS SLANDER OF HILLARY) AND THAT COMEY HAD BEEN THE ONE LEADING THE INVESTIGATION OF RICH WHEN THE PARDON WAS GRANTED BACK IN 2001.

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The morally impared supporters of Der Trumper continue to pretend the ENTIRE WORLD is out to get innocent lil donny - Dozens of Grand Juries are packed with anti-fascist activists who falsely indict, juries are selected from Mother Jones subscription lists and of course the entire US Intelligence service pledges allegence to Al Gore at the beginning of each workday. No wonder they like the "news" from Fox.

 

Will it ever occur to these dupes that the easiest solution is usually correct?

 

The easiest answer to why all these Trump associates are headed for jail is:Trump's friends, associates and administration are all being convicted as felons BECAUSE THEY ARE FELONS.

 

On the other hand, FIVE YEARS of intense investigation of Hillary has produced not a single criminal charge BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIMES.

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No  no  mo guys, You just don't understand.

The President has never lied.  there are Alternative Facts,  and the Truth is not the Truth.
The media is biased and everything that you see printed is Fake News.

and the more that you try to convince these people to think the less that it will be accomplished.
I guess it is hard to admit they hey blew it. 

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chasky wrote-So everything they did is OK and you think Manafort be pardoned?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manafort didn`t deserve what is basically a life sentence.He was treated much differently than other people who did the similar  unlawful activities (hillary)just because he worked for Trump for less than 2 years.  . As far as a pardon-Remember Bill Clinton giving a pardon to Marc Rich who did much worse than Manafort . Rich not only  gave illegal campaign contributions to Bill Clinton but defrauded the US government and corporations out of millions.

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Cohen to jail for his full sentence and Manafort a pardon either after November election or after the 2020 Presidential election . Most likely after the 2020 election.   Both would be free today if it weren`t for the Mueller witch hunt and  his fake Russian collusion.


So everything they did is OK and you think Manafort be pardoned? Extreme right wing logic is sadly baffling !  Glad you got to use your "witch hunt" buzz word !

 

Tic toc closer to trump, tic toc closer to truimp, tic toc closer to trump ...................


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-alleged-co-conspirator-in-the-white-house/2018/08/21/a23e...

 

An alleged co-conspirator in the White House

 

 

ON TUESDAY, the president of the United States was credibly accused in federal court of directing one of his subordinates to commit a federal crime. The effect of their alleged conspiracy against campaign finance laws was to defraud American voters, who were prevented from learning potentially relevant information ahead of Election Day 2016. This admission came from President Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen as he pleaded guilty to eight felony counts. Mr. Trump cannot pretend these crimes did not occur or that they have nothing to do with him.

Neither can Congress.

 

In an extraordinary coincidence, Mr. Cohen’s plea in New York City came within minutes of a jury in a federal courthouse in Alexandria announcing the conviction of Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, also on eight felony counts. It made for a historic day, and not one Americans could take pride in.

 

For special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, whom Mr. Trump has been vilifying with increasing bile, it was another day of vindication. Mr. Mueller’s office prosecuted Mr. Manafort and, having uncovered Mr. Cohen’s misdeeds, had handed that matter to fellow prosecutors in New York. Mr. Mueller continues to demonstrate with quiet professionalism and steady results that his investigation is anything but the “witch hunt” of Mr. Trump’s insult-mongering.

 

For a president who had promised to hire only the best, the twin results represented a stunning rebuke.

 

Throughout these prosecutions, Mr. Trump vacillated between distancing himself from Mr. Manafort (he worked for the president for only “a very short period of time”) and embracing him (he is “a very good person”). Similarly, Mr. Trump flipped from fury that Mr. Cohen’s offices were raided to claiming that he and Mr. Cohen were never all that close.

 

This contradictory excuse-making should not distract from the fact that the president has staffed his campaign and administration with shady characters, fringe ideologues and other opportunistic hangers-on who would never have approached their high positions but for Mr. Trump’s lack of judgment.

 

 

In Mr. Manafort, he hired a campaign chairman who made millions working for people interested in undermining democracy in the former Soviet Union, then used exotic methods to bring the money to the United States. As his scheme was unraveling, he was counting delegates for Mr. Trump’s Republican National Convention balloting.

 

Mr. Cohen spent years in the Trump Organization apparently putting out fires Mr. Trump started. This practice resulted in an illegal 2016 campaign contribution consisting of a $130,000 payoff to Stormy Daniels, an adult-film star alleging an affair with Mr. Trump. Trump lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani said in May this was part of “a long-standing agreement that Michael Cohen takes care of situations like this, then gets paid for them sometimes.” In fact, Mr. Cohen said in court Tuesday that he paid hush money to Ms. Daniels “at the direction of” Mr. Trump. Campaign finance experts say Mr. Trump may now be considered a co-conspirator in Mr. Cohen’s crime. Meantime, Mr. Cohen also committed bank and tax fraud relating to his New York taxi and other businesses.

 

These revelations of guilt come on top of those of others who spent time in Mr. Trump’s orbit, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who admitted in a December plea deal that he lied to the FBI about his contact with Russian officials.

 

Mr. Cohen and Mr. Manafort are heading to prison. Mr. Flynn has yet to be sentenced. But it is unclear whether the man they worked for, the president, will face any formal scrutiny or consequences.

 

The Constitution largely assigns that job to Congress, and powerful Republican lawmakers have seemed more interested in covering for Mr. Trump than investigating him.

 

Tuesday’s events must bring that partisan abdication of public duty to an end. Congress must open investigations into Mr. Trump’s role in the crime Mr. Cohen has admitted to. It is far too soon to say where such inquiries would lead. But legislators cannot in good conscience ignore an alleged co-conspirator in the White House.


Trump is an imbecile, but he also has an animal cunning that can make him seems "crafty" to those who cannot think. He sensed he would need to "drain the swamp" to get to the ooze on the bottom where he would find like minded "assistants" to abet his rape and pillage from the White House. Unfortunately for him and his supporters, that cast of characters was not going to go unnoticed.

 

So now they cling to the fiction that somehow Trump is "being set up" as if Mueller coerced him into hiring a den of thieves and sent the Russian spys to offer dirt on Hillary and rig the election for him.

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Cohen to jail for his full sentence and Manafort a pardon either after November election or after the 2020 Presidential election . Most likely after the 2020 election.   Both would be free today if it weren`t for the Mueller witch hunt and  his fake Russian collusion.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-alleged-co-conspirator-in-the-white-house/2018/08/21/a23e...

 

An alleged co-conspirator in the White House

 

 

ON TUESDAY, the president of the United States was credibly accused in federal court of directing one of his subordinates to commit a federal crime. The effect of their alleged conspiracy against campaign finance laws was to defraud American voters, who were prevented from learning potentially relevant information ahead of Election Day 2016. This admission came from President Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen as he pleaded guilty to eight felony counts. Mr. Trump cannot pretend these crimes did not occur or that they have nothing to do with him.

Neither can Congress.

 

In an extraordinary coincidence, Mr. Cohen’s plea in New York City came within minutes of a jury in a federal courthouse in Alexandria announcing the conviction of Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, also on eight felony counts. It made for a historic day, and not one Americans could take pride in.

 

For special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, whom Mr. Trump has been vilifying with increasing bile, it was another day of vindication. Mr. Mueller’s office prosecuted Mr. Manafort and, having uncovered Mr. Cohen’s misdeeds, had handed that matter to fellow prosecutors in New York. Mr. Mueller continues to demonstrate with quiet professionalism and steady results that his investigation is anything but the “witch hunt” of Mr. Trump’s insult-mongering.

 

For a president who had promised to hire only the best, the twin results represented a stunning rebuke.

 

Throughout these prosecutions, Mr. Trump vacillated between distancing himself from Mr. Manafort (he worked for the president for only “a very short period of time”) and embracing him (he is “a very good person”). Similarly, Mr. Trump flipped from fury that Mr. Cohen’s offices were raided to claiming that he and Mr. Cohen were never all that close.

 

This contradictory excuse-making should not distract from the fact that the president has staffed his campaign and administration with shady characters, fringe ideologues and other opportunistic hangers-on who would never have approached their high positions but for Mr. Trump’s lack of judgment.

 

 

In Mr. Manafort, he hired a campaign chairman who made millions working for people interested in undermining democracy in the former Soviet Union, then used exotic methods to bring the money to the United States. As his scheme was unraveling, he was counting delegates for Mr. Trump’s Republican National Convention balloting.

 

Mr. Cohen spent years in the Trump Organization apparently putting out fires Mr. Trump started. This practice resulted in an illegal 2016 campaign contribution consisting of a $130,000 payoff to Stormy Daniels, an adult-film star alleging an affair with Mr. Trump. Trump lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani said in May this was part of “a long-standing agreement that Michael Cohen takes care of situations like this, then gets paid for them sometimes.” In fact, Mr. Cohen said in court Tuesday that he paid hush money to Ms. Daniels “at the direction of” Mr. Trump. Campaign finance experts say Mr. Trump may now be considered a co-conspirator in Mr. Cohen’s crime. Meantime, Mr. Cohen also committed bank and tax fraud relating to his New York taxi and other businesses.

 

These revelations of guilt come on top of those of others who spent time in Mr. Trump’s orbit, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who admitted in a December plea deal that he lied to the FBI about his contact with Russian officials.

 

Mr. Cohen and Mr. Manafort are heading to prison. Mr. Flynn has yet to be sentenced. But it is unclear whether the man they worked for, the president, will face any formal scrutiny or consequences.

 

The Constitution largely assigns that job to Congress, and powerful Republican lawmakers have seemed more interested in covering for Mr. Trump than investigating him.

 

Tuesday’s events must bring that partisan abdication of public duty to an end. Congress must open investigations into Mr. Trump’s role in the crime Mr. Cohen has admitted to. It is far too soon to say where such inquiries would lead. But legislators cannot in good conscience ignore an alleged co-conspirator in the White House.

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