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@williamb39198 wrote:

why are we one of the leaders in the world for infections and deaths?

 

 


Not based on the number of people we have

We are also the leader in the world for population numbers too -

The measure, which epidemiologists call the "case fatality ratio," calculates the number of people with COVID-19 who eventually die from the disease.

NPR 08/05/2020 - The Coronavirus Crisis Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — A... 

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. . . . it is difficult to compare death rates among countries. Neither per capita death rate nor case fatality ratio "fully reflect the effectiveness of a country's response," said Nilanjan Chatterjee, a professor of biostatistics at Johns Hopkins University.

 

But in terms of case fatality ratio, the U.S. is doing significantly better than many other countries. The country's case fatality ratio is 3.3%, meaning that for every 100 people with COVID-19, only about three die.

 

Screenshot_2020-08-08 Charts How The U S Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count(1).png

 

You can find a whole lot more here; more countries (20) -  it is updated daily

John Hopkins - Coronavirus Resource Center: Mortality Analyses 

Pretty much ALL countries are having a hard time with it.

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trump supporters, please answer this:

if trump has done such a great job of confining the spread of the virus, why are we one of the leaders in the world for infections and deaths?

 

Then again, let me make this simple:

the answer is, he has not done a great job, has done a terrible job, nor has he stopped the spread...

trump is cruel, and incompetent!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

None of which changes the accuracy of comparing the absurd statement "No testing means no covid

Other countries don't have as many tests so they are limiting those tests to those that have symptoms.  Since they are limiting those test to SYMTOMS ONLY cases, they are not catching those asymptomatic cases we are catching, and comparing the two is useless!

 

To compare that to the Vietnam dead is futile since they are as different as you are to me (simply a wrong headed comparison).

 

If you don't test someone because they have no symptoms, doesn't cut it and you can do your Toad dance every day but careful readers will see YOUR ERROR!


If that were the case, then countries like Turkey and Norway would only be testing people with symptoms so their percentage of positive tests would also be higher. (positives divided by total tests given). 

 

By your logic, they should see almost 100% positives and that is not the case.  It would seem to be an excuse that does not stand up to fact checking. 

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison 

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None of which changes the accuracy of comparing the absurd statement "No testing means no covid

Other countries don't have as many tests so they are limiting those tests to those that have symptoms.  Since they are limiting those test to SYMPTOMS ONLY cases, they are not catching those asymptomatic cases we are catching, and comparing the two is useless!

 

To compare that to the Vietnam dead is futile since they are as different as you are to me (simply a wrong headed comparison).

 

If you don't test someone because they have no symptoms, doesn't cut it and you can do your Toad dance every day but careful readers will see YOUR ERROR!

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Nothappening wrote IP No tests mean NO CASES of covid!

 

So if we hadn't had body counts in Vietnam, nobody would've died. Exactly the kind of logic those exposed to FOX rely on for their analysis of events - and why Republicans simply cannot "connect the dots" on ANY issue, relying instead on whatever Fox tells them to think.

 

NOTHAPPENING replied: If you're asymptomatic (that means no symptoms for liberals), one wouldn't normally get tested for Covid.  When you are "dead", there is a direct relation to being dead!  I wouldn't expect any liberal to see the difference ("connect the dots").

 

Experience with millions of individuals infected by tRump's stupidity have PROVEN being asymptomatic means YOU HAVE THE DISEASE but will never develop symptoms and are just as INFECTIOUS to other people as if you have observable symptoms. PRE-symptomatic means you have the disease and will eventually have symptoms but you are STILL able to transmit the disease to others.

 

Therefore it is necessary to test AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE to identify and quarantine the disease carriers to stop the spread of the disease. Republicans hate the idea because testing proves how badly their Toad is handling the crisis.

 

None of which changes the accuracy of comparing the absurd statement "No testing means no covid"  to using identical logic(sic) to say No body counts means no dead people. In both cases the erroneous assumption is somehow the act of COUNTING (which is what the testing makes possible) is necessary for the existence of what's being counted - the disease and death.  If you accept the "no test = no disease" you must also accept "no count = no deaths". In both examples there is a totally false assumption that changing the first event (test/count) will directly effect the second (covid/death). I know Regressives cannot accept their Toad is a moron, but they should not be surprised if others are going to point that out.

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This thread is yet another attempt to protect and defend Trump by using psuedo science, as opposed to real science.

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Nothappening wrote IP No tests mean NO CASES of covid!

 

So if we hadn't had body counts in Vietnam, nobody would've died. Exactly the kind of logic those exposed to FOX rely on for their analysis of events - and why Republicans simply cannot "connect the dots" on ANY issue, relying instead on whatever Fox tells them to think.

 

If you're asymptomatic (that means no symptoms for liberals), one wouldn't normally get tested for Covid.  When you are "dead", there is a direct relation to being dead!  I wouldn't expect any liberal to see the difference ("connect the dots").

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The real question and reason that trump supporters are avoiding...why is the US so terrible in it’s response to the virus, especially in relation to other Countries in the world, who have really slowed the spread of it. 

Hint, hint...it’s due to the incompetence of trump, and your enabling him!

 

 

Hint, hint .... we don't have an accurate way of comparing countries since there are more testing done here but that testing is not accurate in my view.  Also, the testing is NOT counted in the same way all over.  For  instance, if you go and get a covid test (which could take 10 days to get the results) and then you doubt the results by getting another covid test, it is counted sometimes as two positive cases (in some areas).  Other countries don't have as many tests so you don't really know what the extent of the results are.  No tests mean NO CASES of covid!

Right from the Trump playbook, but per the experts not true. Yes there are experts and none of them are far right.

 

Not from any playbook, just my opinion.  Obviously, your "expert" is right all the time!

 

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jmc61 wrote IP: You won't find this information on CNN...

 

That is true because CNN reports NEWS while Republicans are averse to being informed and prefer hearing comfortable lies.

 

This lie supports Toad's attempts to blame China for HIS spreading the virus across the US because he thought he could score political points blaming Democratic Governors.

 

 

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