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No, despite all the drama, you still do not have it straight.

 

Item #1 - they were stupid kids looking for attention.

Item #2 - words are words and they have meaning regardless of the skin color of the person saying them. It is pointless to allow the obsession with race to go so far as to say "This race has it's own words that no other race can use".

Item #3 - no one here is defending any NAZI SALUTE whether NEO or not.


I have no idea where you got the item numbers from as neither one of us numbered our points.

 

Using your ITEM NUMBERS, all I can say is that in item #1 you are so wrong. These kids were old enough to know right from wrong. They were posed by one their fathers. The offensive image was then posted to social media. Posting the offensive image to social media could serve no other purpose than intimidation. And yet, you are defending this image of HATE.

 

As to item #2, you have blown your entire argument out of the water yourself. Yes, words have meaning regardless of who says them. Same thing with IMAGES. What if you saw the "kids"(as you call them) posing the same way but it was in STORM TROOPER Magazine; would you still be defending them as you are doing or would you then be offended?

 

The image is offensive regardless of its venue just as words can be offensive regardless of their origin.

 

And yet, you defend this INTIMIDATING IMAGE. Maybe because it isn't intimidating to you, you think. Ask a JEWISH friend if it is offensive and intimidating to them.

 

As to #3, you are repeatedly defending these IMAGES only because of who generated them.

 

As YOUR OWN ARGUMENT earlier has said, words have meaning regardless of who said them.........

 

Well, so do IMAGES.

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NAZI SALUTE 


The gesture is actually and more appropriately called the "ROMAN SALUTE"  which was appropriated by the Italian Fascists and Germany's NAZIs.  It is like other ancient practices and symbols which was adopted by these regimes. 

 

For instance the swastika is an ancient religious symbol which is seen all over Southeast Asia on Buddhist temples and other religious buildings.  We saw them in many places in Vietnam.  It dates to pre-history and even has shown up in Great Britain as described in my second link.

 

Like many other symbols and actions, it mostly depends upon the assessment of the viewer.  But of course in modern times both are mostly unacceptable to some in the Western world.

 



Since you seem to be giving a history lesson on the HITLER SALUTE and THE SWASTIKA, you must have a personal philosophy as relates to these two symbols of HATE.

 

You state "LIKE MANY OTHER SYMBOLS AND ACTIONS; IT MOSTLY DEPENDS ON THE ASSESSMENT OF THE VIEWER". I guess you are talking about the JEWS and how they ASSESS these symbols.

 

You also state "BUT, OF COURSE IN MODERN TIMES BOTH ARE MOSTLY UNACCEPTABLE TO SOME IN THE WESTERN WORLD". I guess, once again, you comment has JEWS as its target.

 

The one thing you did leave out was YOUR ASSESSMENT of the HITLER SALUTE and the SWASTIKA.

 

Do YOU find them unacceptable, @TxGrandpa2?

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@nctarheel wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:


 

 

Follow THE conversation, that WAS about "PUBLIC hanging"

 

Because you ARE not FOLLOWING. Someone brought UP "Lynching".


And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

So let me get this straight.....

 

You equivocate Justice Thomas saying he was being virtually LYNCHED by a group of OLD WHITE MEN in the SENATE with the statement by a WHITE WOMAN commenting on attendance at a PUBLIC HANGING or LYNCHING.

 

Since 99.9% of lynchings were perpetrated by WHITE MEN who attacked BLACK MEN, we can be fairly sure she was making fun of a BLACK LYNCHING. Thomas was serious about lynchings and saw himself as a victim of a "character" lynching.

 

There is no equivalency.

 

You know, this isn't the first time you have attempted to equivocate two actions where there was no equivalency.

 

Sort of like when you are making fun of SALUTING HITLER, PHOTOGRAPHING IT, and POSTING IT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. You can't equate it to FUN AND GAMES.

 

Tell the 6,000,000 JEWS killed by those that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE.

Tell the 11 dead in Pittsburgh by a perpetrator that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE.

Tell the victims of religious hate crimes as the the hate crimes, specifically against JEWS INCREASED 37%; usually by perpetrators that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE..

 

Your making fun of this act reduces its significance. 

 

Those that harbor ANTI-JEWISH sentiment pray for people to reduce the significance of their acts so they can increase the severity of those acts without being discovered.

 

I just am amazed to see people on this board defending the use of THE NEO NAZI SALUTE as you have done. 


No, despite all the drama, you still do not have it straight.

 

Item #1 - they were stupid kids looking for attention.

Item #2 - words are words and they have meaning regardless of the skin color of the person saying them. It is pointless to allow the obsession with race to go so far as to say "This race has it's own words that no other race can use".

Item #3 - no one here is defending any NAZI SALUTE whether NEO or not.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@nctarheel wrote:


NAZI SALUTE 


The gesture is actually and more appropriately called the "ROMAN SALUTE"  which was appropriated by the Italian Fascists and Germany's NAZIs.  It is like other ancient practices and symbols which was adopted by these regimes. 

 

For instance the swastika is an ancient religious symbol which is seen all over Southeast Asia on Buddhist temples and other religious buildings.  We saw them in many places in Vietnam.  It dates to pre-history and even has shown up in Great Britain as described in my second link.

 

Like many other symbols and actions, it mostly depends upon the assessment of the viewer.  But of course in modern times both are mostly unacceptable to some in the Western world.

 

 

 



The Germans have got it correct nowadays - displaying Nazi symbols and giving the salute that Nazis last used is a criminal offense - usually with a prison sentence accompanying a conviction.

 

There is an American couple who are now serving prison sentences for terrorising a child's birthday party using racist confederate flags.

 

There was a big mistake made at Appomattox - display of confederate symbols should have resulted in prison sentences both then and now..

 

Display of hate symbolism - regardless of the particular symbol - should result in a prison sentence and mandatory psychiatric treatment.

 

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@nctarheel wrote:


NAZI SALUTE 


The gesture is actually and more appropriately called the "ROMAN SALUTE"  which was appropriated by the Italian Fascists and Germany's NAZIs.  It is like other ancient practices and symbols which was adopted by these regimes. 

 

For instance the swastika is an ancient religious symbol which is seen all over Southeast Asia on Buddhist temples and other religious buildings.  We saw them in many places in Vietnam.  It dates to pre-history and even has shown up in Great Britain as described in my second link.

 

Like many other symbols and actions, it mostly depends upon the assessment of the viewer.  But of course in modern times both are mostly unacceptable to some in the Western world.

 

 

 


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@rk9152 wrote:


 

 

Follow THE conversation, that WAS about "PUBLIC hanging"

 

Because you ARE not FOLLOWING. Someone brought UP "Lynching".


And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

So let me get this straight.....

 

You equivocate Justice Thomas saying he was being virtually LYNCHED by a group of OLD WHITE MEN in the SENATE with the statement by a WHITE WOMAN commenting on attendance at a PUBLIC HANGING or LYNCHING.

 

Since 99.9% of lynchings were perpetrated by WHITE MEN who attacked BLACK MEN, we can be fairly sure she was making fun of a BLACK LYNCHING. Thomas was serious about lynchings and saw himself as a victim of a "character" lynching.

 

There is no equivalency.

 

You know, this isn't the first time you have attempted to equivocate two actions where there was no equivalency.

 

Sort of like when you are making fun of SALUTING HITLER, PHOTOGRAPHING IT, and POSTING IT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. You can't equate it to FUN AND GAMES.

 

Tell the 6,000,000 JEWS killed by those that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE.

Tell the 11 dead in Pittsburgh by a perpetrator that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE.

Tell the victims of religious hate crimes as the the hate crimes, specifically against JEWS INCREASED 37%; usually by perpetrators that worshipped the NAZI SALUTE..

 

Your making fun of this act reduces its significance. 

 

Those that harbor ANTI-JEWISH sentiment pray for people to reduce the significance of their acts so they can increase the severity of those acts without being discovered.

 

I just am amazed to see people on this board defending the use of THE NEO NAZI SALUTE as you have done. 

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@nctarheel wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:


The words have a meaning - Clarence Thomas used them - was he a racist??

 


Are you saying that Clarence Thomas said that the IMAGE of the HEIL HITLER SALUTE is NONSENSE..... just as you have done?

Follow THE conversation, that WAS about "PUBLIC hanging"

 

Or are you MINIMIZING the 37% rise in HATE CRIMES against JEWS by diverting the discussion to CLARENCE THOMAS since time and again you have stated the NEO-NAZI SALUTE is nonsense?

Not mimimizing - am saying THE kids NONSENSE claims IS nonsense. 

 

I am really not sure why CLARENCE THOMAS is part of this discussion.

Because you ARE not FOLLOWING. Someone brought UP "Lynching".

 

To insist that the NEO-NAZI SALUTE posed by a professional photographer and then purposely posted to social media is NONSENSE is CLEARLY an ANTI-JEWISH sentiment.

It is A realistic VIEW of goofy KIDS

 

It's just like the Republican WHITE candidate in Mississippi who said things were "turned around on her" to make it sound BAD when she mentioned "GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING".

And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

TO MAKE IT SOUND BAD?????? "GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING" SERIOUSLY????

And there IS Justice Thomas AGAIN.

 

SORTA LIKE SAYING SALUTING HITLER IS NONSENSE, ISN'T IT??????

Using the ACTIONS of teenagers SHOWING off to RANT and rave IS nonsense.


 

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The words have a meaning - Clarence Thomas used them - was he a racist??

 


Are you saying that Clarence Thomas said that the IMAGE of the HEIL HITLER SALUTE is NONSENSE..... just as you have done?

 

Or are you MINIMIZING the 37% rise in HATE CRIMES against JEWS by diverting the discussion to CLARENCE THOMAS since time and again you have stated the NEO-NAZI SALUTE is nonsense?

 

I am really not sure why CLARENCE THOMAS is part of this discussion.

 

To insist that the NEO-NAZI SALUTE posed by a professional photographer and then purposely posted to social media is NONSENSE is CLEARLY an ANTI-JEWISH sentiment.

 

It's just like the Republican WHITE candidate in Mississippi who said things were "turned around on her" to make it sound BAD when she mentioned "GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING".

 

TO MAKE IT SOUND BAD?????? "GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING" SERIOUSLY????

 

SORTA LIKE SAYING SALUTING HITLER IS NONSENSE, ISN'T IT??????

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@rk9152 wrote:

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Well, since they were kids posing for a Junior class picture, all this "IMAGE of the NEO NAZI SALUTE" nonsense is just that - nonsense. 

 

However, there is some strange desire to find something else to feel negativity and hatred about exhibited here.


And here is even more NONSENSE, as you call it.

 

HATE CRIMES against JEWS rose 37% last year. JEWS don't have to FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO FEEL NEGATIVITY AND HATRED; it finds them. Quit blaming the victims.

 

And here is even more NONSENSE, since you like to use the excuse that folks were JUST JOKING.

 

I suppose the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE from Mississippi that mentioned GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING as a joke should be forgiven by our BLACK friends because after all..... it was only a JOKE.

 

These things have to be taken seriously and pooh-poohing them as humor is wrong.

 

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.


The words have a meaning - Clarence Thomas used them - was he a racist??

 


Is a black man that has been called an "oreo" for over twenty years possibly a racist?

 

He's a republican - is that racist?

 

There have been black people who were virulently pro-white and anti-black - they were racists...

 

My Navajo/Ute/Hispanic wife very much enjoys saying to republicans, conservatives, and trump supporters that she's of the opinion that they should have been aborted.

 

Are political affiliations a racial designation?

Of course - they are not - but it's her constitutional right to believe as she pleases.

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@nctarheel wrote:

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Well, since they were kids posing for a Junior class picture, all this "IMAGE of the NEO NAZI SALUTE" nonsense is just that - nonsense. 

 

However, there is some strange desire to find something else to feel negativity and hatred about exhibited here.


And here is even more NONSENSE, as you call it.

 

HATE CRIMES against JEWS rose 37% last year. JEWS don't have to FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO FEEL NEGATIVITY AND HATRED; it finds them. Quit blaming the victims.

 

And here is even more NONSENSE, since you like to use the excuse that folks were JUST JOKING.

 

I suppose the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE from Mississippi that mentioned GOING TO A PUBLIC HANGING as a joke should be forgiven by our BLACK friends because after all..... it was only a JOKE.

 

These things have to be taken seriously and pooh-poohing them as humor is wrong.

 

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.


The words have a meaning - Clarence Thomas used them - was he a racist??

 

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