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I guess then we continue to disagree Hitler took advantage of the fear of the Jews Trump takes advantage of the fear of the Moslems the thread here is the comparison of Trump and Hitler we're not going back beyond that as far as I know in this thread. Maybe  maybe I missed something.  With regard hiding in the woods you don't think some of these people who are here are hiding?  Have you not heard the stories of the Muslim women who won't we are their jhabs? 

 Round and round and round and round and round and round and we never get anywhere with this.

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So after all of your accusations about liberal arts professors  so on and so forth,  it seems you do know what happened in Germany and if you're honest with yourself,you should be able to equate that with what is happening today under trump.


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No, what happened in Germany under Hitler is altogether different from what is happening with the Trump administration.  There has been no vandalism of Muslim businesses, they are not required to wear identifying clothing or patches, there are no concentration camps, etc. 

 

Further if you are as much a history student, you would find that there was an animosity against Jews in Europe going back to the Middle Ages.  And this wasn't only in Germany.  Several years ago I carried on email correspondence with a Jewish lady who survived the German occupation in France and who later immigrated to the US.  She said that it wasn't only the Germans that betrayed them, but they had to be careful of the French also.  She and her family survived by living in the forests since their neighbors wouldn't hesitate to turn them in.

 

But Hitler just took advantage of that centuries old religious/ethnic resentment.  Remember ethnic type resentments also runs with the times.  During WW1, it was Germans, than in WW2, Japanese.  Now it's Muslims.

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Yup, you  are right and what you said coincides with what everyone I know says. now do you not see that Trump came into power at a time when people were feeling disenfranchised and forgotten and who still weren't feeling the effects of the economic recovery? do you not see that just as Hitler scapegoated the Jews (by the way,  he did thisvwgen Germany's economy started to slip again) but, anyway, do you not see that Trump scapegoated the Muslims because people feared them, just as Hitler played on the going fears of the German people? Do you not see that in neither case was the scapegoating valid?

 When my kids were in high school,  we hosted a German foreign exchange student, and at the end of her stay in America,  her parents flew to the US to visit. The  day that they knocked on my door, before entering,  they said --"we just want you to know before we enter your home, that we do not approve of the things Hitler did, and we are not at all like him.   I responded by pulling them into my house and hugging them both.  So,  just as tromp spreads his faults accusations and lays out his travel bands in order to gain support and call the fears of the uninformed so did Hitler use the Jews.   The Jews were the problem in Germany and the Muslims from the six nations are the problems either Trump has holdings in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist came from Pakistan but those countries are not on the list!   Trump is clearly scapegoating Muslims as Hitler did Jews.  

So after all of your accusations about liberal arts professors  so on and so forth,  it seems you do know what happened in Germany and if you're honest with yourself,you should be able to equate that with what is happening today under trump.

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Tx--LOL-I guess on that we disagree!  But nice to know that you-the right-and ne-the left can agree on a few things! Wish this sort of thing could extend to our elected officials!! 😹 

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None of the reasons I posted in my previous post comes close to what Trump is doing in trying to make America Great again.  The Dems shift to socialism is what we are trying to avoid..

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PC- I'll make it easy on you though you give me five credible experts who deny the commonalities between Hitler and Trump.   Going by the guidelines you have set,  be careful one of them might actually have great knowledge in this and have actually taught it or really read more than just a few books on the subject. 

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Actually I don`t have to supply you with 5 experts but just give you my personal experience. Being a Air Force Brat in 1954 I got to visit Germany for the first time and got to talk with Germans on how they got enthalled with Hitler who eventually led them into war. It was a combination of things . (this was 9 years after the war ended and Germans were still suffering the aftermath of defeat. ) They told me it was a combination of things such as defeat in world war 1, world depression and Hitler promise to lead them to prosperity, the Jews seemed to be the only ones doing good in the 30`s and most Germans resented them and the return of German pride

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Tx--i agree with all you have said except last part--tweedle dee, tweedle dumb-to me it was a choice between sane and experienced and totally insane and inexperienced. Insane won--also known as Tweedle Dumber!!

Thanks --seriously-for your input!


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Actually it was a choice between two that wasn't qualifed. 

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Tx--i agree with all you have said except last part--tweedle dee, tweedle dumb-to me it was a choice between sane and experienced and totally insane and inexperienced. Insane won--also known as Tweedle Dumber!!

Thanks --seriously-for your input!

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Bitterness over the election is getting old. you guys need to come up with another excuse for this wave of protest throughout the country over Trump and his lies and his total incompetence.





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And who is exhibiting the bitterness?  Those who supported Hillary and the Democrats.

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I did not, nor would I ever say that you don't know what happened during the Hitler era. however I taught this stuff for years,  I've studied this stuff in college classes

 

 


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And of course I've lived part of this stuff.  Been associated with people who lived through that and immigrated to America.  Conditions that enabled Hitler's rise was altogether different from now when Trump was elected.

 

Back then, there was not only the unemployment associated with the Great Depression [much worse than this century]; unemployment in Germany due to it's defeat in WW1 plus the enormous reparations forced on them by the winners; religious animosity towards Jews in Europe going back for centuries fostered by Catholicism, etc.  Just a perfect storm.

 

Trump was elected mostly because it was a choice between TweedleDee and TweedleDum.

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