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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 


 


 


 


Well good then. We will be expecting a proposal from the right to fund college and trade school tuition. 

 

 


I sure hope you're real patient. The left need to get off their butt and work for anything they need.


Well lets start with where we find a lot of the far right residing. Ga., Al, North F, MS, LA, plus the experts have told us the average far right Trump supporter is: Rural, white, poor, uneducated, easy to lead. The film 6 Billboards was about the far right. With all of that it would seem right now the far right have been taking more from Govt. than they put in. That means the left is already working and paying for things they need much more so than the Far right.

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The plants of the 50's should not come back - they were terrible places to work.

 

The plants of the 21st Century are here, and the question is how do we encourage Capitalists who operate those plants to employ a great many more than the minimum number of workers consistent with maximizing profits for the owners and managers.

 

The only solution is a dramatic change in the tax code and significant increases to the minimum wage.

 

First off, we must enact a Workers Bill of Rights so the Company is responsible for compensating anyone whose job is relocated. Not a new idea, Germany has done this for decades and funny thing, they're standard of living is now considerably higher than ours as is their real income. So if a job is moved inside the USA, they Company must move the workers (and their Unions) with it. If the worker does not wish to relocate, then the company owes him a continued paycheck, based on how long s/he was working before the move. something like less than 6 months, they get 30 days pay. More than 6mo less than  5 years, they get 1 week's for each month, up to 60 weeks. 5-10 years, 2 week's pay for each month - in effect their bi-weekly pay would continue for up to 240 pay periods, or about 5.6years. Over 10 years, the Company continues their pay until they reach retirement, but if they get another job, the check would be reduced by the amount of the net (after taxes and deductions) from the new job. This will end the Race to The Bottom Republicans LOVE because it widens the gap between rich and poor and is their Ultimate Weapon against all the gains Unions have won over the past 80 years.

 

For workers displaced by automation, something similar for those who go out the door, but for those who stay, the company could add additional positions to provide greater "fit and finish" to their final product, so the average work week could be cut to 32 hours giving everyone a 3-day week end but retaining 20% more workers, with the payroll covered by the increased productivity driven profits from the automation, which now goes entirely to the management. Had the connection between productivity and wages that had held from 1936 until the early 1970's continued, the average wage would now be over $90,000, and with the reduced work week that would still leave the workers with $72,000/year instead of the $60,000 they got because of the income redistribution of the Reaganscam.

 

Then top this off with a repeal of the Reagan and LBJ tax cuts so the top 10% will be paying what their grandfathers did from 1936 until 1965 and their State and Local taxes could virtually disappear because Revenue Sharing would replace those local collections.

 

Republicans hate facts like these because they show just how evil Reagan's scam was, and how easily we can solve a great many of our problems by simply admitting those 1980-85 tax cuts were a VERY bad idea and go back to what REALLY made America Great for ALL Americans - a fair and just distribution of profits among workers, managers and owners.

 

 

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How big of an organization would be needed to equally distribute the charitable funds? Those who rail against big government don’t account for the fact that it fails the citizens when someone like trump is at the controls, such as using his position to make money for himself...that’s a no no!

 

And what is the percentage of red “givers” and the percentage of their incomes which they give, in these  “giving” red counties?

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jimc91:   Red counties, which are overwhelmingly Republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated blue counties, according to a new study on giving. 

 

 

I think you're forgetting the massive amounts given by blue counties to subsidize red counties through the federal government.


The government taking somone's money and spreading it round can hardly be called Philanthropy or "giving'.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 


 


 


 


Well good then. We will be expecting a proposal from the right to fund college and trade school tuition. 

 

 


I sure hope you're real patient. The left need to get off their butt and work for anything they need.


An unsubstantiated ludicrous claim.

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 


 


 


 


Well good then. We will be expecting a proposal from the right to fund college and trade school tuition. 

 

 


I sure hope you're real patient. The left need to get off their butt and work for anything they need.

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jimc91:   Red counties, which are overwhelmingly Republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated blue counties, according to a new study on giving. 

 

 

I think you're forgetting the massive amounts given by blue counties to subsidize red counties through the federal government.

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@seafraz57 wrote:
Many rich people want to pay ynol omore tax. They realize that they have benefited and a strong middle class and general equality are good for all agnd American values.

very noble of them. then why don't they simply donate to organizations working for the betterment of society instead of wanting their money processed through governmental bureaucracies?


From the NYT:

 

Many issues seem to divide Democrats and Republicans, and new research has found one more: philanthropy.

 

Red counties, which are overwhelmingly Republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated blue counties, according to a new study on giving. 

 

 

 

 

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@seafraz57 wrote:
Many rich people want to pay ynol omore tax. They realize that they have benefited and a strong middle class and general equality are good for all agnd American values.

very noble of them. then why don't they simply donate to organizations working for the betterment of society instead of wanting their money processed through governmental bureaucracies?

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For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

Automation, man made climate change, rising sea levels, factories of the future.

 

People displaced by machines, willful ignorance, calculating capitalism.

 

Dispossessed, tenants on land they don't own, rent they can't pay, they can't afford to buy the food they grow.

 

The exploitation of despair, the addictive substance industrial complex, from sea to shining  sea.

 

Billions  of people, climate refugees, with nothing but what they can carry, the Neolithic hunter gatherers of the 21 century.

 

Will the dispossessed pay their fair share of taxes, when they own nothing, including money?

 

Who will?

 

The people who do have money. 

 

You're right, you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

 

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