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Many rich people want to pay more tax. They realize that they have benefited and a strong middle class and general equality are good for all and American values.
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@rk9152 wrote:

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@Richva wrote:

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You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 

 

Is "rk" authorised to authoritatively speak on behalf of all republicans,conservatives and trump cultists regarding their preferences regarding the level of education of the citizenry?

Can a link to authorization verifying that be posted?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 


 


 


 


Well good then. We will be expecting a proposal from the right to fund college and trade school tuition. 

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

I am not aware of any such preference on the part of Conservatives.

 


 


 


 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

 

 


 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

We could indeed. The left has been arguing for universal free college and trade school to counter this. The right seems to prefer an uneducated citizenry. 

 

 

 


 

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@gruffstuff wrote:

 

The world you describe seems to have very few people being productive and supporting everyone else.

 

I wouldn't characterize it as people being productive, people will own machines and machines will do the work. Not sure how people will buy the stuff the machines make without income.

 

What's the alternative if machines displace 50% of the workforce in the next few decades?

 

People can adapt or try to, learn new skills, new professions, but they have to pay the bills while they do.

 

The drive to reduce the cost of labor and automation is not going to stop.

 

Another possibility is machines greatly reduce the cost of goods and services.

 

What do that do to the value of what human labor is still around?

 

What will labor be worth if 50% of the workforce doesn't have a job?

 

Still people have to pay the bills.

 

Get rid of the people ?

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 most people are around 5, they're average, what will average people do? Not smart enough to design robots, they don't own land to farm, no new world to get on a ship and sail to, and machines can do most of the jobs they used to do, faster, cheaper, better, forever. 

 

Family planning or just keep trying to bring back coal and man made climate change will get rid of a lot of the surplus population.

 

 

 

 


It does appear the Republican Path Forward is a form of genocide by neglect. Neglect pollution control, kill more people. Neglect climate change, kill more people. Neglect health care, kill more people. They even have come up with a new victim - instead of basing their genocide on race, they base it on INCOME, so only the poor will die. This seems to be okay with the GOPerBase, mostly because they haven't noticed the plan also calls for moving the middle class down to "poor" as rapidly as possible.


Do you see the issue raised by this topic as a real possibility or is it simply a "Bad Republicans, Bad Republicans" joke??

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@gruffstuff wrote:

It is not a case of manufacturing jobs going away. It is a case of jobs going away.

 

Better way to phrase that is it is not a case of manufacturing going away, it's a case of manufacturing jobs going away.

 

Look at what has already happened in the US, manufacturing jobs are way down, but manufacturing output is way up.

 

However it's not just going to be manufacturing, one of the next things to go will be drivers, truck drivers, bus drivers, cab drivers, Uber drivers.

 

Every society is three meals away from anarchy, or nine meals from chaos, or four meals from revolution. 

 

Take your pick.

 

What's better, a minimum income scheme or a revolution, or anarchy, or chaos?

 

Cheaper to just feed people and keep a roof over their heads then it is to lock them up or wage war on them.

 

At least I think it is.


You may be right - we could arrive at a day when 80% of the workforce is no longer needed. We could have the government provide for them using the taxes collected from the working 20%. Possibly the workforce could be rotated around and a requirement that people be trained and capable to take their turn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@gruffstuff wrote:

 

The world you describe seems to have very few people being productive and supporting everyone else.

 

I wouldn't characterize it as people being productive, people will own machines and machines will do the work. Not sure how people will buy the stuff the machines make without income.

 

What's the alternative if machines displace 50% of the workforce in the next few decades?

 

People can adapt or try to, learn new skills, new professions, but they have to pay the bills while they do.

 

The drive to reduce the cost of labor and automation is not going to stop.

 

Another possibility is machines greatly reduce the cost of goods and services.

 

What do that do to the value of what human labor is still around?

 

What will labor be worth if 50% of the workforce doesn't have a job?

 

Still people have to pay the bills.

 

Get rid of the people ?

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 most people are around 5, they're average, what will average people do? Not smart enough to design robots, they don't own land to farm, no new world to get on a ship and sail to, and machines can do most of the jobs they used to do, faster, cheaper, better, forever. 

 

Family planning or just keep trying to bring back coal and man made climate change will get rid of a lot of the surplus population.

 

 

You have nailed it. It is a real potential that has nothing to do with President Trump and the Klepts some like to obsess over.

 

I have heard that there was a guy back in the '50s who foresaw this. Sadly, I cannot remember his name - hey, sometimes I forget my name.


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@BigLib wrote:

If taxes aren't the answer, the opposite is also true, and tax breaks aren't the answer either. Someone should have clued Trump and Pence in before looking like fools when they gave away the castle to Carrier, and then Carrier made its move to eliminate all the jobs their tax incentives were supposed to retain.

 

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/these-companies-started-firing-employees-right-after-getting...

 

 


The topic is an issue that far surpasses the pettiness about who won the 2016 election.

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