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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-globotics-upheaval-review-when-therobot-gets-an-ofce-11551649635


For those who think another 34 years of dribble down economics will prevent another American Revolution, better think twice.

 

No economic problem has ever been solved by Capitalism - it's not what Capitalists do, as pointed by Milton Friedman's famous quote: “There is one and only one social responsibility of business — to increase its profits.”

 

Government is the only solution to the ever-accelerating redistribution of income and wealth from the middle to the very top via the maldistribution of those profits that are the end-all and be-all of Capitalism.

 

We know EXACTLY how it can be done because we've done it before when rapacity, failure to regulate and low taxes destroyed the World economy in 1929.

 

It worked like a charm to grow the economy at twice the rate we've seen with dribble-down, worked to create, improve and maintain the world's best infrastructure, including schools and scientific research, while reducing the gap between rich and poor without seizing a single asset from anyone.


If you read the article you will see that it isn't about dribble down or dribble up - it is about the increased loss of jobs due to automation. Not a situation that can be solved by taxing.


If you seriously believe a single rich person or Corporation is going to create jobs on the scale needed, you probably think Reagan gave the middle class a tax cut- so sad t oremain so misinformed.

 

THE GOVERNMENT got us out of every serious economic downturn in our history, NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

 

To fix the problem with jobs being lost to outsourcing to Commie slaves and automation, we need a GOVERNMENT run and funded INFRASTRUCTURE program - spend it on things EVERYONE will benefit from, and to do that on the scale necessary, we need to abandon the ludicrous post-Reagan tax structure and REPEAL THE REAGAN TAXSCAM.

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What you have here are two different problems. 1. Manufacturing jobs of to day going away just like they always do. This has been going on for at least 200 years. 2. Income inequality. Every time this happens the middle class on down is hurt.

You have to solve both problems and you can not combine them. Problem one has always had a starter as new things and ways are invented to make things. That is already happening we just have to encourage it not try and stop it. The Reb. have always tried the latter and it never worked. You want the cost of manufacturing to be about the same all over the world. Unions for all helps as then it is harder to take advantage of the people who become the workers. Problem 2 has been with us for years now. You can not have the difference between top and bottom in earnings and have a healthy economy. Teddy Roosevelt new this and was a trust buster as this was one of the first attempts to control it. Unions once again serve a really useful purpose as they give the workers a voice in what the difference is. The Reb. have always been for what is happening today by their policies. The Ben and Jerry rule would help a lot if it were put into law, and minimum wage helps.

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I don’t care whether it’s automation, soybeans or steel. The real question is how will these jobs be replaced and what innovations can we come up with to benefit our Country. We need a leader.

If we don’t do anything about it, we lose jobs, and we lose tax revenue which makes our situation even worse. 

And trump is making this worse!

He has not made a good deal in 2 years and his future doesn’t look any different. 

 

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@FredSmif wrote:

Never truer words were said.

 

In addition to not being able to tax our way out of this situation, it's equally as fruitless to try to legislate (or executive fiat) a way out by promoting old, inefficient industrial plants and methods.

 

Our President seems to think that we can return to the Eisenhower days of prosperity by mandating opening of industrial plants. The companies who own those plants...the steel and aluminum mills, the foundries, the welders, the industrial works, etc. ...have all moved on to adopt the current methods of production, which are more efficient than those of the 1950's. They need to be saluted and encouraged. This does displace workers, no doubt about it. But something needs to be to retrain these people for alternative types of work. Some will be unable to do so, and some will resist doing so. Some will thrive (and, hey, that is the capitalist way, right?). But mandating that inefficient, poluting means of production need to be restored...this is not progress!

 


@rk9152 wrote:

For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-globotics-upheaval-review-when-therobot-gets-an-ofce-11551649635


 


I don't believe a President is in a position to mandate the opening of plants. However, he is in a position to make international trade agreements and establish desirable environments for industries thereby encouraging the creation of jobs.

 

However, that is small potatoes compared to the future in the article.

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@williamb39198 wrote:

Small to medium steps. Focus on manufacturing which is good for today and the future. We have the clean energy and associated industries which would provide jobs, leadership in the world and a healthier environment...but trump ignores that. How about infrastructure...but trump has throw that out the window, wasting money on tax cuts to the wealthy. Then the healthcare field which will provide more jobs and could be improved for all with efficiency 

and cost control...but trump opposes that also. 

Looks like what we need is new leadership to provide a way forward, not the suppression which trump imposes.

And he promotes clean, clean coal?

 

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If you had read the article you would know it has nothing to do with Trump, infrastructure, socialized medicine or any of that. 

 

It points out that the losses we have seen in manufacturing will  e small potatoes compared to future losses. The issue becomes - where do we work?

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-globotics-upheaval-review-when-therobot-gets-an-ofce-11551649635


For those who think another 34 years of dribble down economics will prevent another American Revolution, better think twice.

 

No economic problem has ever been solved by Capitalism - it's not what Capitalists do, as pointed by Milton Friedman's famous quote: “There is one and only one social responsibility of business — to increase its profits.”

 

Government is the only solution to the ever-accelerating redistribution of income and wealth from the middle to the very top via the maldistribution of those profits that are the end-all and be-all of Capitalism.

 

We know EXACTLY how it can be done because we've done it before when rapacity, failure to regulate and low taxes destroyed the World economy in 1929.

 

It worked like a charm to grow the economy at twice the rate we've seen with dribble-down, worked to create, improve and maintain the world's best infrastructure, including schools and scientific research, while reducing the gap between rich and poor without seizing a single asset from anyone.


If you read the article you will see that it isn't about dribble down or dribble up - it is about the increased loss of jobs due to automation. Not a situation that can be solved by taxing.

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@rk9152 wrote:

For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-globotics-upheaval-review-when-therobot-gets-an-ofce-11551649635


For those who think another 34 years of dribble down economics will prevent another American Revolution, better think twice.

 

No economic problem has ever been solved by Capitalism - it's not what Capitalists do, as pointed by Milton Friedman's famous quote: “There is one and only one social responsibility of business — to increase its profits.”

 

Government is the only solution to the ever-accelerating redistribution of income and wealth from the middle to the very top via the maldistribution of those profits that are the end-all and be-all of Capitalism.

 

We know EXACTLY how it can be done because we've done it before when rapacity, failure to regulate and low taxes destroyed the World economy in 1929.

 

It worked like a charm to grow the economy at twice the rate we've seen with dribble-down, worked to create, improve and maintain the world's best infrastructure, including schools and scientific research, while reducing the gap between rich and poor without seizing a single asset from anyone.

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Small to medium steps. Focus on manufacturing which is good for today and the future. We have the clean energy and associated industries which would provide jobs, leadership in the world and a healthier environment...but trump ignores that. How about infrastructure...but trump has throw that out the window, wasting money on tax cuts to the wealthy. Then the healthcare field which will provide more jobs and could be improved for all with efficiency 

and cost control...but trump opposes that also. 

Looks like what we need is new leadership to provide a way forward, not the suppression which trump imposes.

And he promotes clean, clean coal?

 

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Never truer words were said.

 

In addition to not being able to tax our way out of this situation, it's equally as fruitless to try to legislate (or executive fiat) a way out by promoting old, inefficient industrial plants and methods.

 

Our President seems to think that we can return to the Eisenhower days of prosperity by mandating opening of industrial plants. The companies who own those plants...the steel and aluminum mills, the foundries, the welders, the industrial works, etc. ...have all moved on to adopt the current methods of production, which are more efficient than those of the 1950's. They need to be saluted and encouraged. This does displace workers, no doubt about it. But something needs to be to retrain these people for alternative types of work. Some will be unable to do so, and some will resist doing so. Some will thrive (and, hey, that is the capitalist way, right?). But mandating that inefficient, poluting means of production need to be restored...this is not progress!

 


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For those that see all the problems of workers solvable by merely taxing the accomplished, better think  again - it's a new world out there continually evolving and the plants of the '50s are not coming back.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-globotics-upheaval-review-when-therobot-gets-an-ofce-11551649635


 

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I thought that I should read this post mainly because Rk seldom initiate thread.

Yes, the 50's ain't coming back. 

We have automation. and many things have evolved that most of those programs probably have become obsolete.
The world in entirely different. China is a world power, and many other countries are seeing a change in their governments and ideas.

So, we will have to really sit down and review what is best for the US and start applying what will work now.
The past should stay in the past. 

I was a person that really thought that globalization was not good, and we have seen that is really not that great. but, there are still ways in dealing with globalization that still work,

I don't know at this time what will stay and how economies will evolve in the future. but If I live that long, I would welcome the progress that they may bring.

 

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