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What we have is the current game plan

of trump and his repubs: pin the

”socialism tail on the Donkey”!

No matter the subject or the candidate, everything will be related to socialist activities, and that being the root cause of all of our woes...just throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks!

All the while trump repubs are supporting a dictatorship in trump, and are showing support of russia. That is the real issue. 

 

How bout those financials sonnie

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To make the situation worse for the people of Venezuela, the U.S. government implements sanctions, with the obvious goal to force the country into a Great Depression.

 

If plans go well for Bolton, Trump, Pompeo, Abrams, et al, enough Venezuelans will rise up to overthrow the government, or the military will stage a coup. 

 

Meanwhile, more Venezuelans will starve and others will die as the oil sanctions take hold.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


@gordyfl wrote:

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Brief History of Venezuela

  • 1908 - Juan Vicente Gómez seized power in and didn’t relinquish it until his death in 1935. During his ruthless reign, Gómez phased out the parliament, squelched the opposition and monopolized power.
  • 1910 - The discovery of oil.
  • 1920s - Venezuela was the world’s largest exporter of oil, which enabled the government to pay off the country’s entire foreign debt.
    As in most oil-rich-states, almost none of the oil wealth made its way to the common citizens.
    The overwhelming majority of Venezuelans continued to live in poverty with little or no educational or health facilities, let alone reasonable housing.
  • 1945 - Tensions in Venezuela rose treacherously during several dictatorships, exploding in 1945 when Rómulo Betancourt took control of the government.
  • 1947 - A new constitution was adopted and Rómulo Gallegos became president in Venezuela’s first democratic election.
    The inevitable coup took place only eight months after Gallegos’ election, with Colonel Marcos Pérez Jiménez emerging as the leader.
    Once in control, he smashed the opposition and plowed oil money into public works and built up Caracas. He superficially modernized the country but the mushrooming development did not heal the country’s economic and social disparities.
  • 1958 - Pérez Jiménez was overthrown by civilians and navy and air-force officers.
    The country returned to democratic rule.
  • 1973 - The price of oil quadrupled.
  • 1975 Venezuela nationalized its oil industries and went on a spending spree; imported luxury goods were in large supply in the country’s crammed shops and the nation got the impression that the mythical riches had finally materialized.
  • Late 1970s, the growing international recession and oil glut began to shake Venezuela’s economy to the core. Oil revenues declined, heightening unemployment and inflation, and once more forcing the country into foreign debt.
  • 1988 - The drop in world oil prices cut the country’s revenue in half, casting doubt on Venezuela’s ability to pay off its debt.
  • 1989 - Austerity measures introduced triggering a wave of protests, riots and strikes.
  • 1992 - Two attempted coups d’état that occurred.
  • 1994 - Banking crisis. In total, between January 1994 and August 1995 17 of the country's 49 commercial banks, as well as some subsidiaries, failed - representing 53% of the system assets.
    Financial liberalisation in the early 1990s and lax banking supervision had laid the seeds for the crisis, which was then triggered by the cumulative effects of a collapse in the oil price, which led to sharply reduced government spending and weakened the Venezuelan economy. By the end of 1998, two-thirds of Venezuela’s 23 million inhabitants were living below the poverty line.
  • 1998 - Hugo Chavez elected.

Please note the CAPITALIST Corporate Oligarchs had already wrecked the Venezuelan economy BEFORE the people revolted and elected a Socialist President. Had they "shared the wealth" beginning in 1971 as we did in America from 1936 until 1965, the collapse would not have happened because the wealth would've been held by 30,000,000 citizens instead of 15, and the 30,000,000 would not have moved it out of the country.


   EXACTLY.    Some here are so myopic that they are very susceptible to propaganda and they refuse to acknowledge any history.      Would this current situation be as terrible if the US had not imposed sanctions and cranked up the propaganda, because most of the international poll watchers did not report election fraud, that came from US.   

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To anyone here that says that the Venezuela issue is a socialist issue. simply denote their ignorance regarding on how Latin American regimes function.

Venezuela has become a regualar autocratic,/dictactorship  situation seen many times in other countries in Latin America.

It is nothing new, Venezuela is now the garden variety of similar problems in other countries of Latin America

There has been many issue, and between Chavez and Maduro they have really screwed up this coutnry that once was a very rich country. 

But please stop the nonsense regarding socialism/communism  in Venezuela. and lear a little about Latin America history.

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@gordyfl wrote:

venenzuela meme.png

 

Brief History of Venezuela

  • 1908 - Juan Vicente Gómez seized power in and didn’t relinquish it until his death in 1935. During his ruthless reign, Gómez phased out the parliament, squelched the opposition and monopolized power.
  • 1910 - The discovery of oil.
  • 1920s - Venezuela was the world’s largest exporter of oil, which enabled the government to pay off the country’s entire foreign debt.
    As in most oil-rich-states, almost none of the oil wealth made its way to the common citizens.
    The overwhelming majority of Venezuelans continued to live in poverty with little or no educational or health facilities, let alone reasonable housing.
  • 1945 - Tensions in Venezuela rose treacherously during several dictatorships, exploding in 1945 when Rómulo Betancourt took control of the government.
  • 1947 - A new constitution was adopted and Rómulo Gallegos became president in Venezuela’s first democratic election.
    The inevitable coup took place only eight months after Gallegos’ election, with Colonel Marcos Pérez Jiménez emerging as the leader.
    Once in control, he smashed the opposition and plowed oil money into public works and built up Caracas. He superficially modernized the country but the mushrooming development did not heal the country’s economic and social disparities.
  • 1958 - Pérez Jiménez was overthrown by civilians and navy and air-force officers.
    The country returned to democratic rule.
  • 1973 - The price of oil quadrupled.
  • 1975 Venezuela nationalized its oil industries and went on a spending spree; imported luxury goods were in large supply in the country’s crammed shops and the nation got the impression that the mythical riches had finally materialized.
  • Late 1970s, the growing international recession and oil glut began to shake Venezuela’s economy to the core. Oil revenues declined, heightening unemployment and inflation, and once more forcing the country into foreign debt.
  • 1988 - The drop in world oil prices cut the country’s revenue in half, casting doubt on Venezuela’s ability to pay off its debt.
  • 1989 - Austerity measures introduced triggering a wave of protests, riots and strikes.
  • 1992 - Two attempted coups d’état that occurred.
  • 1994 - Banking crisis. In total, between January 1994 and August 1995 17 of the country's 49 commercial banks, as well as some subsidiaries, failed - representing 53% of the system assets.
    Financial liberalisation in the early 1990s and lax banking supervision had laid the seeds for the crisis, which was then triggered by the cumulative effects of a collapse in the oil price, which led to sharply reduced government spending and weakened the Venezuelan economy. By the end of 1998, two-thirds of Venezuela’s 23 million inhabitants were living below the poverty line.
  • 1998 - Hugo Chavez elected.

Please note the CAPITALIST Corporate Oligarchs had already wrecked the Venezuelan economy BEFORE the people revolted and elected a Socialist President. Had they "shared the wealth" beginning in 1971 as we did in America from 1936 until 1965, the collapse would not have happened because the wealth would've been held by 30,000,000 citizens instead of 15, and the 30,000,000 would not have moved it out of the country.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

We aren't hearing as much about Trump and Venezuela since his food at the border tactic was routed by the two bit dictator who is trying to micro manage that economy. 

 

Trump should use his prestige to  call a summit with all the leaders in the region and hammer out a coordinated plan of action like Obama used to do. 

 

Oh right.  I read that sentence and see so many reasons it would not work.  


How does some imaginary "food at the border tactic" relate to the reality of the topic?


Problem is that topic is itself a lie. Venezuela's economy was wrecked by the Corporate Oligarchs who created artificial shortages for just about every consumer good, especially food, ever since Hugo Chevez took power in 1998. They were aided and abetted by Wall Street and the Banksters who assisted their fellow Oligarchs in Venezuela to move YUGE amounts of other people's money ("corporate assets") out of the country to evade taxes.

 

Saying Socialism destroyed the Venezuelan economy is like blaming the subsidies the City of LA gave their light rail system for it's collapse.

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venenzuela meme.png

 

Brief History of Venezuela

  • 1908 - Juan Vicente Gómez seized power and didn’t relinquish it until his death in 1935. During his ruthless reign, Gómez phased out the parliament, squelched the opposition and monopolized power.
  • 1910 - The discovery of oil.
  • 1920s - Venezuela was the world’s largest exporter of oil, which enabled the government to pay off the country’s entire foreign debt.
    As in most oil-rich-states, almost none of the oil wealth made its way to the common citizens.
    The overwhelming majority of Venezuelans continued to live in poverty with little or no educational or health facilities, let alone reasonable housing.
  • 1945 - Tensions in Venezuela rose treacherously during several dictatorships, exploding in 1945 when Rómulo Betancourt took control of the government.
  • 1947 - A new constitution was adopted and Rómulo Gallegos became president in Venezuela’s first democratic election.
    The inevitable coup took place only eight months after Gallegos’ election, with Colonel Marcos Pérez Jiménez emerging as the leader.
    Once in control, he smashed the opposition and plowed oil money into public works and built up Caracas. He superficially modernized the country but the mushrooming development did not heal the country’s economic and social disparities.
  • 1958 - Pérez Jiménez was overthrown by civilians and navy and air-force officers.
    The country returned to democratic rule.
  • 1973 - The price of oil quadrupled.
  • 1975 Venezuela nationalized its oil industries and went on a spending spree; imported luxury goods were in large supply in the country’s crammed shops and the nation got the impression that the mythical riches had finally materialized.
  • Late 1970s, the growing international recession and oil glut began to shake Venezuela’s economy to the core. Oil revenues declined, heightening unemployment and inflation, and once more forcing the country into foreign debt.
  • 1988 - The drop in world oil prices cut the country’s revenue in half, casting doubt on Venezuela’s ability to pay off its debt.
  • 1989 - Austerity measures introduced triggering a wave of protests, riots and strikes.
  • 1992 - Two attempted coups d’état occurred.
  • 1994 - Banking crisis. In total, between January 1994 and August 1995 17 of the country's 49 commercial banks, as well as some subsidiaries failed - representing 53% of the system assets.
    Financial liberalisation in the early 1990s and lax banking supervision had laid the seeds for the crisis, which was then triggered by the cumulative effects of a collapse in the oil price, which led to sharply reduced government spending and weakened the Venezuelan economy. By the end of 1998, two-thirds of Venezuela’s 23 million inhabitants were living below the poverty line.
  • 1998 - Hugo Chavez elected.
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@Richva wrote:

We aren't hearing as much about Trump and Venezuela since his food at the border tactic was routed by the two bit dictator who is trying to micro manage that economy. 

 

Trump should use his prestige to  call a summit with all the leaders in the region and hammer out a coordinated plan of action like Obama used to do. 

 

Oh right.  I read that sentence and see so many reasons it would not work.  


How does some imaginary "food at the border tactic" relate to the reality of the topic?

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We aren't hearing as much about Trump and Venezuela since his food at the border tactic was routed by the two bit dictator who is trying to micro manage that economy. 

 

Trump should use his prestige to  call a summit with all the leaders in the region and hammer out a coordinated plan of action like Obama used to do. 

 

Oh right.  I read that sentence and see so many reasons it would not work.  

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