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@creppelrmwrote:

 

Well it doesn't  help when veterens step out of one war zone into another here in the U.S.  Weapons used for war should only be used in war and never seen except for war.


Transition to a civilian atmosphere has changed since the days of the WW2 and Korean War troopships.  Starting with Vietnam a soldier could be in a combat zone one day and the next back here in CONUS.

 

The troopship delay allowed a period of transition time to return to 'the world'.

 

 

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@GailL1wrote:

You posted about this back in November 2017

https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/YET-ANOTHER-MASS-SHOOTING-PERPETRATED-BY-A-VET...

 

Veterans are like others in our society - whatever maybe going on within themselves has to be picked up by either themselves or those around them in order for treatment to be initiated.

 

Remember they also turn the gun or some other deadly method onto themselves too.

 

The VA started this last summer-

Chicago Trib 03/2017 - VA expands mental health care for vets with less than honorable discharge

 

We have problems with alcohol and drugs in this country that adds to the problem - and I am not talking about addiction only.   I am talking about using them for self-medication and thus these substances mask the true problem of mental health and stability.

 

Then you have the problem of few psychiatrist actually working within our health care systems -all of them - public and private.  These are the doctors that can prescribe and actually treat people with severe mental disease as in and out patients.

 

 

 


Well it doesn't  help when veterens step out of one war zone into another here in the U.S.  Weapons used for war should only be used in war and never seen except for war.

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Spot on Mimi 

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@GailL1wrote:

However, it still does not address the issue of who should get mental health help and how they are directed to the help.  Which is a problem not just in the Vet community.

 



I have my doubts that military service is the root cause of mental illness but was there and just waiting for the trigger to set it off.  If it is the military then why have millions of veterans since the WW2 not only gone through combat but decades of civilian life without these symptons?

 

Compare the shooters at Sandy Hook and in Florida who had no mililtary service with the millions of veterans that has no problems.  Consider 7.3% of living Americans that have served in the military at some point and how many have been involved in such activities?

 

I found this at http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/veterans/sd-me-veterans-violence-20170109-story.html

 

"As far as veteran status, in 29 U.S. mass shootings since 1999, four were carried out by current or former members of the military, according to a November 2012 Department of Homeland Security intelligence report. "

 

I would trust something based on governmental information rather than something based on an opinion piece in a newspaper.

 

 

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@nctarheelwrote:

 


This is an issue that obviously is growing exponentially and yet, Trump's budget left funding for VETERAN MENTAL HEALTH at exactly what Obama's last budget was.

I do not disagree with any of your points, but with a growing epidemic and static funding, the government won't be able to help those that need help the most.

This increase in VETERAN violence toward civilians is very concerning.


The Choice Program is being expanded and that should help Veterans with better access to mental health professionals.

 

However, it still does not address the issue of who should get mental health help and how they are directed to the help.  Which is a problem not just in the Vet community.

 

Let's say as an example, a person close to you begins to exhibit signs and symptoms of mental health problems.  Let's say as an example, that you are very close to this person and you begin to see and hear things that are upsetting to you - night screams, paranoid behavior, perhaps unusual behaviors in regards to religion or God or the devil, money, even cleanliness or lack thereof - OCD behavior, or even unusually sexual behaviors, etc - when would you make the call to seek mental health for this person?  

 

You or anybody else wouldn't think twice about intervening if the illness was more physical in nature especially if you are close to them but many times if the mental symptoms are not too extreme in the beginning, people just go into denial and think things will get better on their own.  

 

We read about things that may happen to family members by someone in their family, we read and hear about suicides and we wonder why this happened - weren't there signs and symptoms before this horrific act occurred - did anybody notice?

 

Mental illness maybe hard to spot until signs and symptoms get to some severity.

 

So if they cannot recognize that they need help, who will take the lead and how?

And then what if the helper is wrong or what if the helper isn't being honest about the person.  

 

It not only involves adequate access but the right call for the right reasons.

 

So how as a society do we handle it?

 

 

 

* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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@alferdpackerwrote:

 

 

 

While you're at it - post links to the pertinent statute requiring a PTSD diagnosis to be reported to the NICS database promptly...

 

 

 

 


Do you think they should be?  Even when there is NO indication of violence to themselves or others?

 

The criteria for reporting anybody to the NICS is based on adjudication of a mental health problem which may render violent acts to themselves or others.

Yep, it is a hard call even for professionals.

 

It is even harder for those close to the person to make the determination of a mental health problem regardless of whether violence might be involved or be a potential.

 

So who is suppose to help get a person with mental illness treatment?  

Those that have mental health problems, regardless of severity, aren't too good at seeking out help for this type of health problem.

 

We, many times, find them when something happens.  Not the best way to secure a diagnosis.  Too bad there isn't a blood test or a scan.

 

 

* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

California, an ultra liberal state, allows a person with PTSD to obtain or own firearms?

 

 


Post a link to PROOF of a PTSD diagnosis.

While you're at it - post links to the pertinent statute requiring a PTSD diagnosis to be reported to the NICS database promptly...

 

Or should the posted question be considered simply anti-liberal "hot air"?

 

 

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California, an ultra liberal state, allows a person with PTSD to obtain or own firearms?

 

 

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@jimc91wrote:

@nctarheelwrote:

Is it me or does it seem like every other week we read of a VETERAN, brandishing a semi-automatic weapon, killing civilians in untold numbers?


Yeah...  It's you...

 

 


You need to check the statistics.

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@nctarheelwrote:

Is it me or does it seem like every other week we read of a VETERAN, brandishing a semi-automatic weapon, killing civilians in untold numbers?

 

 


Yeah...  It's you...

 

 

 

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