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@gruffstuff wrote:

Our Federal Government needs to fund some type of action to address this issue.

 

Why just veterans?

 

Why not address mental health for everyone?

  

 

 


Exactly what would that be?

 

Do you think they would seek help on their own?

If not, who would identify a problem and get them to a mental health professional?   

Currently, the Courts are the only place where people can be forced to get treatment - adjudicated.

Could you identify a person that might need mental health care?

Would you go the limit to prove what you think?

 

Even people very close to them sometimes don't see or deny there is a problem - sometimes a severe problem that could endanger themselves or others.

 

 

 

* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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Of course the shooter was a veteran.....BUT, he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force.

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-alleged-texas-shoo...

 

"The man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was given a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.

 

"Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm.

Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear."

 

Further, the man's assignment in the Air Force was in logistics and had no relation to any combat arms. 


A Bad Conduct Discharge in and of itself - if not linked to a conviction of felonious action doesn't trigger the NICS prohibition.

 

He could have - and probably did say that his discharge was not a "dishonorable discharge" - the way the law is written - the discharge must be literally "dishonorable discharge".

 

However, his assault of his wife and child should have triggered the NICS prohibition for as long as it was not redacted from his record.

 

The fatal flaw that allowed him to use a firearm to murder at least 26?

 

Reporting of domestic violence restraining orders/civilian convictions/military court findings to the NICS database is not federally mandated, and there is no penalty for failing to report - something that - if federally mandated - and enforced - is estimated to adversely affect approximately 8% of dues paying NRA members...

 

A fatally flawed law combined with deliberately dishonest evasion on the part of NRA-owned and operated congresscritters...

 

Now we know whose hands - besides those of the murderer - are stained with the blood of those innocent murdered people...

 

That he was mentally ill - not examined and diagnosed - should also have kept him from possessing a firearm - another military flaw that allowed yet another unbalanced person back into society without treatment...

 

 

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The man who shot and killed 26 people in a Texas church on Sunday is reported to be a creepy, crazy, and weird outcast who preached atheism online.

 

Former classmates of the Texas church shooter, Devin Patrick Kelley, said he was an atheist and outcast who thought Christians were stupid, the Daily Mail reported.

 

“He was always talking about how people who believe in God we’re stupid and trying to preach his atheism,” former New Braunfels High School classmate Nina Rose Nava posted on Facebook. She said she was in “complete shock” after learning Kelley was the killer. “I legit just deleted him off my fb cause I couldn’t stand his post.”

 

Facebook user Christopher Leo Longoria responded, saying, “I removed him off FB for those same reasons! He was being super nagtive (sic) all the timd (sic),” the news outlet reported.

 

 

Another classmate, Patrick Boyce, told the Daily Mail, “He was the first atheist I met. He went Air Force after high school, got discharged but I don’t know why.” He said Kelley seemed depressed lately. “He had a kid or two, fairly normal,” he said. “I was just shocked. Shill haven’t quite processed how he could have done that.”

 

Responding to Nava’s Facebook post, Michael Goff stated, “He was weird but never that **bleep** weird, always posting his atheist sh** like Nina wrote, but **bleep** he always posted pics of him and his baby — crazy.”

 

Nava described her former classmate as an outcast but not a loner. “He was popular among other outcast. I haven’t spoke to him since high school,” she wrote.

 

Sill another outcast, whose identity the Daily Mail kept private, said “I grew up going to school with him… Always creeped me out and was different.”

 

She said that Kelley recently made a comment on one of her Facebook posts, “I said I just want to move back to Texas,” she explained. “He said something along the lines of ‘Texas isn’t any better.”

“It’s crazy to think I grew up with him,” she stated. “Same town. Same school. Same classes.”

 

“He was different in school and creeped me out but never would I have thought he would do such a horrific thing.”

 

Cord Eubank Brown, another former classmate, took to social media and said, “There were people I knew who stayed away from this guy for many reasons, which all make sense now.” Brown said he recently received a friend request from Kelley on Facebook.

 

After carrying out one of the worst church shootings in recent history, Kelley was shot by a resident of Sutherland Springs and fled the scene. Multiple residents reportedly pursued Kelley as he fled from the church until he crashed a few miles later. Police discovered multiple weapons and possible explosives inside his SUV, the Daily Mail reported.

 

READ MORE HERE:  http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/11/05/report-texas-church-shooter-atheist-thought-christians-stu...

 

 

 

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Of course the shooter was a veteran.....BUT, he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force.

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-alleged-texas-shoo...

 

"The man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was given a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.

 

"Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm.

Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear."

 

Further, the man's assignment in the Air Force was in logistics and had no relation to any combat arms. 

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It is NOT a mental health issue. It's a GUN issue.

 

None of these mass shootings, or the one-at-a-time shootings can happen without GUNS.

 

Mass murder is the FIRST serious crime most of the killers commit. HOW do you think they can be identified, let alone treated to stop the slaughter?

 

Americans are 10 times  more likely to be killed by a gun than people in other developed countries. Compared with other high-income countries, Americans are TWENTY-FIVE times as likely to be killed with a gun than any other means.

 

We do NOT need to "ban guns" we just need to employ an ounce of common sense about the KINDS of guns we allow civilians to possess.  Since the Texas Tower shooter in 1966  ALL mass murder has been committed using semi-automatic weapons with large capacity magazines. So are virtually all of the 1-on-1 shootings.

 

Semi-automatic long guns are designed to kill the most people in the shortest time - THAT'S WHY MASS MURDERERS USE THEM. There is NO need for semi-automatic fire to hunt or shoot competitivily, we need to eliminate the MEANS by which mass murder is committed. Existing semi-auto weapons can be converted to single shot very easily. Magazines and clips can be converted to hold no more than 7 rounds.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

Our Federal Government needs to fund some type of action to address this issue.

 

Why just veterans?

 

Why not address mental health for everyone?

 

Stephen Paddock wasn't a military service veteran, look at the damage he did.

 

We forget about Stephen Paddock and the Las Vegas shooting already?

 

 


@gruffstuff   To quote the OP: "The entire population of Veterans make up no more than 13% of the adult population; and yet, more than 33% of the perpetrators of the 43 worst mass killings since 1984, have been Veterans."

 

 

"The key to success is to keep growing in all areas of life - mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical." Julius Erving
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Trump and Ryan send thoughts and prayers.  

We need more than prayers.  The victims were at church praying.

We need sensible gun regulation and a ban on AR15 weapons.

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Trump and Ryan send 'thoughts and prayers.  

We need more than prayers.  The victims were at church praying.

We need sensible gun regulation and a ban on AR15 weapons.

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Our Federal Government needs to fund some type of action to address this issue.

 

Why just veterans?

 

Why not address mental health for everyone?

 

Stephen Paddock wasn't a military service veteran, look at the damage he did.

 

We forget about Stephen Paddock and the Las Vegas shooting already?

 

 

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@nctarheel  I agree that we need to push for better mental health/readjustment services for our vets.

 

 

 

 

 

"The key to success is to keep growing in all areas of life - mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical." Julius Erving
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