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Where is Elaine Chao?

 

FYI Mick...

Feeling pressure to ground Boeing planes, US Transportation Secretary flies on 737 Max 8
Elaine Chao and her staff flew on a Southwest Airlines 737 Max 8 from Austin, Texas to Washington, D.C. hours after the Transportation Secretary was emphatic in saying her department will ground Max planes if it's determined they are not safe to fly.
"The department and the FAA will not hesitate to take immediate and appropriate action," Chao said, as airlines and governments around the world shutting down Boeing 737 Max airplanes.
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U.S. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao speaks during a meeting of the National Space Council at the East Room of the White House June 18, 2018 in Washington, DC. President Donald Trump signed an executive order to establish the Space Force, an independent and co-equal military branch, as the sixth branch of the U.S. armed forces. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
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U.S. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao speaks during a meeting of the National Space Council at the East Room of the White House June 18, 2018 in Washington, DC. President Donald Trump signed an executive order to establish the Space Force, an independent and co-equal military branch, as the sixth branch of the U.S. armed forces. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
With airlines and governments around the world shutting down Boeing 737 Max airplanes after a second deadly crash of the aircraft, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao is not only resisting the calls to ground the plane, she even flew one of the planes back to Washington Tuesday afternoon.

Chao and her staff flew on a Southwest Airlines 737 Max 8 from Austin, Texas to Washington, D.C. just hours after the Transportation Secretary was emphatic in saying her department will ground Max planes if it's determined they are not safe to fly.

"The department and the FAA will not hesitate to take immediate and appropriate action," Chao said.

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@mickstuder wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Mick posted..

Under Trump The FAA has No Permanent Administrator & hasn't for over a year since the last one resigned - as has been discussed in multiple posts in this thread..............................No Acting Jack is going to make a Call Like This..............................to disrupt the Worlds Aviation

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FYI Mick...The Secretary of Transportation is Elaine Chow...and she has the authority to ground Air Planes ...and she has been The Department of Transportation (DOT) since 2017 it is a cabinet-level agency of the federal government responsible for helping maintain and develop the nation's transportation systems and infrastructure.

You Mean - Mitch McConnells Wife - Elaine Chao? - Name is Spelled CHAO not like Puppy Chow

 

NBC allowed Politico to Start a New Series

 

It's Called - Where in the World is Elaine Chao?

 

Where is Elaine Chao?

 

'Private' time fills long stretches of the Transportation secretary’s daily calendar, according to POLITICO’s review of 14 months of records.

 

Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao’s day-to-day calendars are filled with large swaths of time blocked out as “private,” according to POLITICO’s analysis of newly released records — a pattern that several former DOT officials called unusual.

 

In total, Chao clocked more than 290 hours of appointments labeled privatethe equivalent of about seven weeks’ vacation — during her first 14 months in President Donald Trump’s Cabinet, based on a review of documents provided under the Freedom of Information Act. That total does not include any private hours that occurred on nights, weekends, days marked as vacation or federal holidays.

 

FYI - The FAA - Current Hierarchy - Both of their Top 2 Guys Are - ACTING JACKS & have been for over 15 Months

 

 

FAA Administrator.png

Sources

 

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/where-is-elaine-chao/

 

https://www.faa.gov/about/

 

 


How does the physical location of Chou relate to the 737s???

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Mick posted..

Under Trump The FAA has No Permanent Administrator & hasn't for over a year since the last one resigned - as has been discussed in multiple posts in this thread..............................No Acting Jack is going to make a Call Like This..............................to disrupt the Worlds Aviation

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FYI Mick...The Secretary of Transportation is Elaine Chow...and she has the authority to ground Air Planes ...and she has been The Department of Transportation (DOT) since 2017 it is a cabinet-level agency of the federal government responsible for helping maintain and develop the nation's transportation systems and infrastructure.

You Mean - Mitch McConnells Wife - Elaine Chao? - Name is Spelled CHAO not like Puppy Chow

 

NBC allowed Politico to Start a New Series

 

It's Called - Where in the World is Elaine Chao?

 

Where is Elaine Chao?

 

'Private' time fills long stretches of the Transportation secretary’s daily calendar, according to POLITICO’s review of 14 months of records.

 

Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao’s day-to-day calendars are filled with large swaths of time blocked out as “private,” according to POLITICO’s analysis of newly released records — a pattern that several former DOT officials called unusual.

 

In total, Chao clocked more than 290 hours of appointments labeled privatethe equivalent of about seven weeks’ vacation — during her first 14 months in President Donald Trump’s Cabinet, based on a review of documents provided under the Freedom of Information Act. That total does not include any private hours that occurred on nights, weekends, days marked as vacation or federal holidays.

 

FYI - The FAA - Current Hierarchy - Both of their Top 2 Guys Are - ACTING JACKS & have been for over 15 Months

 

 

FAA Administrator.png

Sources

 

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/where-is-elaine-chao/

 

https://www.faa.gov/about/

 

 

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   US just received another rebuke, a big **bleep** from Ethiopia.   The RW will have to ignore that and ignore WHY the country is sending the Black Boxes from that airplane crash to the EU not the US.

   Apparently the RW missed the fact that Boening even weighed in with some huge shade to the current WH regime, as they admitted that the computer update that will be implemented later than expected because of the government shutdown that was declared by the RW leader guy who said he would take total responsibility for the shutdown...so the lack of a software update that was not installed and resulted in >150 lives is on him.    

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Interesting how some will defend the inaction and delays of the president, sec of transportation, and a major corporation a on machine which may have a fixable flaw yet have not fixed it and the machine has killed people. 

Sure looks like money is taking priority over lives. 

Or just another example of trump understaffing departments, or the effects of his government shutdown. 

He’s the leader...where is his leadership?

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

NOPE, everyone here is wrong, what donald is complaining about is that the planes made today are too darn complicated and pilots are just incapable of flying them.   I can suppose that is supposed to buoy the AirCraft industry...NOT

 

He is waiting for a maga plane circa Wright Bros.    seriously.   https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-planes-complicated-fly-pilots-bo...


Not complaining but stating something people have been concerned about since "fly by wire" was introduced probably about 30 years ago. How much does the pilot vs the computer control.

 

Snottiness about the Wright Brothers misses an important fact.


Actually, if he bothered to look it up, he would have discovered that the safety record today is much better than it was 30 years ago.  Since Trump is NOT a subject matter expert, he should be following the recommendations of the FAA. 

If the three American lines that fly this plane (and not that many of them) are worried about safety the could ground the flights on their own.  After all, it is far cheaper to cancel a few flights than to pay for a plane crash.

There is an awful lot being put on the fact that there have been two issues in two years.  What is ignored in that is that they may or may not be the same problem. The first incident, Lion Air, was from a company with such a horrible record that it was banned from flying into the US until 2016 (it was founded in 1999).

Normally, when you talk about partisan issues, I disagree with your definition of what is and is not partisan.  However, this particular thread seems to be about as partisan as you can get.  To blame Trump for not taking action is ridiculous.  As I said before, if he ignored his FAA recommendations, then I would hold him accountable. I for one, don't expect him to be an expert on everything.  Personally, I have a problem with him not listening to his experts.  If he chooses to ground the 737s without listening to the real professionals, then that action I would disagree with.


There are multiple Public Airline Pilots Data Bases where Dozens of American Pilots have reported in flight anomalies with the Boeing 737 Max Auto-pilot after engaging during take-off

 

The first 737 Max was only put into service in 2016

 

Almost every other Country in the World has grounded these planes - preferring to error on the side of their Citizens Safety

 

If this isnt a Partisan Issue what is it

 

A Republican President with the Authority & Constitutional Responsibility to protect the Safety of American Citizens - refuses to act

 

A Republican Senate with the Advise & Consent Authority & Constitutional Responsibilty - refuses to act

 

The USA has a President who refuses in over a 12 month period to nominate a FAA Administrator

 

Why is that?

 

BTW - 8 Americans died in this most recent crash

 

Boeing announced a fix - but because of the Government Shutdown - instead of being implemented in January - it's been delayed

 

Answer to all the above

 

$$$$$$$$$$

 

And the truth about Trumps involvement & possible culpability is yet to be revealed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


If the US pilots really felt the 737 Max was unsafe to fly, they could refuse to fly it and be protected by whistle blower laws.  Again, FAA and airline decision on whether or not this model should continue to fly.  If you are saying that has influenced the FAA, then you can question his motives.  Otherwise, he should not pretend to be an expert and make a decision on it without looking at facts.  That is what does entirely too often.


You are completely missing the point - either purposefully or because you haven't bothered to research the issue under discussion

 

FACT

 

Boeing is a American Corporation

 

Trump is the American President

 

US Bureaucracy puts the FAA under the Dept. Of Transportation

 

The FAA Administrator resigned 15 months ago

 

Trump has not nominated or appointed a Permanent Replacement

 

WHY - Because he wants to micromanage everything in the US Government - that's impossible - so lots of Important Things are not being attended too or effectively coordinated & managed

 

After the first Crash - Boeings internal investigation uncovered a - software glitch in the auto-pilot during take-off

 

A patch was developed and because this specific Boeing Aircraft flys 8500 trips every week with thousands in & out of American Airports - the FAA had to be involved in coordinating the software upgrades for all these planes which is a tad more involved then updating your Cell Phone

 

The update was scheduled to take place during the month of January 2019

 

Then Trump shut-down the Government and the scheduling of the software upgrade was put on hold

 

Now its March & another plane has crashed with all the preliminary reports pointing to same software issue where a patch has been developed but as yet not implemented

 

Again - 8 Americans Died in between the first crash - the problem being identified & not corrected before the second crash happened -

 

My position is this tragedy is at least in part because of Trumps Incompetence - not understanding that the US Government is way more complex & requires way more Major Decision Makers than a Mom & Pop Real Estate Branding Company

 

A Permanent Competent  FAA Administrator on the job for over a year may have been aware of US Pilots Concerns &  May have been more capable of intervention even before the first crash

 

 

Your long rant seems to be based on the incompetence of Daniel Elwell and (naturally) some as yet undefined ulterior motive on the part of the President. Any supporting material or is it just those rotten Kleptzs.


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@mickstuder wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

NOPE, everyone here is wrong, what donald is complaining about is that the planes made today are too darn complicated and pilots are just incapable of flying them.   I can suppose that is supposed to buoy the AirCraft industry...NOT

 

He is waiting for a maga plane circa Wright Bros.    seriously.   https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-planes-complicated-fly-pilots-bo...


Not complaining but stating something people have been concerned about since "fly by wire" was introduced probably about 30 years ago. How much does the pilot vs the computer control.

 

Snottiness about the Wright Brothers misses an important fact.


Actually, if he bothered to look it up, he would have discovered that the safety record today is much better than it was 30 years ago.  Since Trump is NOT a subject matter expert, he should be following the recommendations of the FAA. 

If the three American lines that fly this plane (and not that many of them) are worried about safety the could ground the flights on their own.  After all, it is far cheaper to cancel a few flights than to pay for a plane crash.

There is an awful lot being put on the fact that there have been two issues in two years.  What is ignored in that is that they may or may not be the same problem. The first incident, Lion Air, was from a company with such a horrible record that it was banned from flying into the US until 2016 (it was founded in 1999).

Normally, when you talk about partisan issues, I disagree with your definition of what is and is not partisan.  However, this particular thread seems to be about as partisan as you can get.  To blame Trump for not taking action is ridiculous.  As I said before, if he ignored his FAA recommendations, then I would hold him accountable. I for one, don't expect him to be an expert on everything.  Personally, I have a problem with him not listening to his experts.  If he chooses to ground the 737s without listening to the real professionals, then that action I would disagree with.


There are multiple Public Airline Pilots Data Bases where Dozens of American Pilots have reported in flight anomalies with the Boeing 737 Max Auto-pilot after engaging during take-off

 

The first 737 Max was only put into service in 2016

 

Almost every other Country in the World has grounded these planes - preferring to error on the side of their Citizens Safety

 

If this isnt a Partisan Issue what is it

 

A Republican President with the Authority & Constitutional Responsibility to protect the Safety of American Citizens - refuses to act

 

A Republican Senate with the Advise & Consent Authority & Constitutional Responsibilty - refuses to act

 

The USA has a President who refuses in over a 12 month period to nominate a FAA Administrator

 

Why is that?

 

BTW - 8 Americans died in this most recent crash

 

Boeing announced a fix - but because of the Government Shutdown - instead of being implemented in January - it's been delayed

 

Answer to all the above

 

$$$$$$$$$$

Since everything seems to boil down to money (usually other people's) to you, can you expand on your theory here? If there is (as you have suggested) a need for a software patch - it will happen - what is the cost in that?

 

And the truth about Trumps involvement & possible culpability is yet to be revealed

 

And yet, he is mentioned in each post - seems like a bit of bias in that....

 

 

 

 


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8 Americans are included in the Total of the Dead From The Second Unexplained Failure of a Boeing 747 Max

 

Trump should have had the FAA expedite a Investigation into the First Crash because so many American Airlines Fly So Many of these Planes - He Did Not

You Know That FOR a FACT?????

 

Now a Second Boeing 747 Max has crashed under similar unexplicable circumstances killing 8 Americans

 

Trump has still not acted

 

He Acted As Was Appropriate. 

 

 

That has everything to do with Kleptocracy

 

As I have POINTED out Grounding one Version OF  a successful Model would NOT gravely effect those Klepts.


 


I already know FACTS have no bearing on any of your commentary - but I'll keep trying

 

1. Successful Model - how long has this Model been flying 1 year 2 years 3 years ?

Since 1967.

 

2. My concern here is - we just received even more evidence today of how integral corruption is to not only our Politics & Business - but now even our Academic Infrastructure - is For Sale to those with the ability to pay

How is that connected?

 

How many billions are on the line when there are 5000 of these planes on order right now

They will still be produced. ho harm to the Klepts.

 

8500 flights per week

A lot of inconvenienced travelers if you ground all those people

 

3. It indefensible to watch the Majority of the Worlds Countries - Ground this Plane - and the USA Refuses

Why? Maybe we are right. When the information is fully in, decisions will be made.

 

Especially when Boeing itself has determined the Planes Software requires a patch after just investigation of the first crash

Software always needs patching. 

 

 


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That’s a good point that I also heard today about mcconnell’s wife being the Sec of Transportation and having the authority to step in or even ground the planes if needed. Why hasn’t she said anything, especially since it’s been ongoing and also the resolution has been delayed? And it falls under the jurisdiction of the Transportation Dept. 

 

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