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Again, what does any of that have to do with Binney knowing anything about a Trump tap? 

 

Just as Mickstuder wrote:

 

It's routine and necessary for the US Government to Wiretap individuals from Foreign Countries and Governments.

It's probably a good guess that many Russians - Ambassadors - Russian Business People - Scientists etc. in the USA are currently under a FISA Wiretap.

If Trump or anyone associated with his Presidency or Campaign is picked up on a FISA Wiretap talking to some Russian on the phone already under surveillance while in Trump Tower and it becomes part of a intelligence transcript/report.

 

That's basically what 30 year NSA veteran and whistleblower Willaim Binney said.

 

From the link I provided:

 

"What Binney did not delve into, however, was if President Obama directed surveillance on Trump for political purposes during the campaign, a core accusation of Trump's.

But Binney did say events such as publication of details of private calls between President Trump and the Australian prime minister, as well as with the Mexican president, are evidence the intelligence community is playing hardball with the White House.

 

Binney said "I think that's what happened here".

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-07/nsa-whistleblower-bill-binney-says-tru...

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

'Distraction' is all Trump (and the Republicans) have. Vegas' odds are that Trump will not finish his first term.


That's becoming 'a given' with each tweet and each new Russian connection among his staff.

And with all the attention on Trump's (et all)  ties to Russians being exposed, the Russians may no longer be able to capitalize on their "useful idiot" and decide to close up loose ends.

 

So the more interesting "odds" would be; 'HOW' will Trump not finish his first term?  

Resignation, Impeachment or Russian"inteference".

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@gordyfl wrote:

What does any of that have to do with Binney being able to know something about a surveillance program that would have occured over 15 years after he left?

 

Although Binney was told he was cleared of wrongdoing after three interviews with FBI agents beginning in March 2007, a dozen agents with guns drawn appeared at his house a few months later, one of whom entered his bathroom and pointed his weapon at Binney, who was coming out of the shower.

 

In that raid, the FBI confiscated a desktop computer, disks, and personal and business records. The following day, NSA revoked his security clearance, forcing him to close a business he ran with Loomis and Wiebe.

 

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/12/22/nsas-binney-honored-for-integrity/

 

Binney says he and two other NSA colleagues who also quit tried sounding the alarm with congressional committees. But because they did not have documents to prove their charges, nobody believed them. Snowden, he says, did not repeat that mistake.

 

"He recognized right away, it was very clear to me, that if he wanted anybody to believe him, he'd have to take a lot of documentation with him — which is what he did," Binney says.

 

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/22/333741495/before-snowden-the-whistleblowers-who-tried-to-lift-the-veil

 


Again, what does any of that have to do with Binney knowing anything about a Trump tap?  Any documentation that he and his former colleagues  took was years before the tap would have taken place.  There is nothing in there showing he has anything to back up what he is claiming.  Unless I misread the story, he is not even claiming he has a source.

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What does any of that have to do with Binney being able to know something about a surveillance program that would have occured over 15 years after he left?

 

Although Binney was told he was cleared of wrongdoing after three interviews with FBI agents beginning in March 2007, a dozen agents with guns drawn appeared at his house a few months later, one of whom entered his bathroom and pointed his weapon at Binney, who was coming out of the shower.

 

In that raid, the FBI confiscated a desktop computer, disks, and personal and business records. The following day, NSA revoked his security clearance, forcing him to close a business he ran with Loomis and Wiebe.

 

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/12/22/nsas-binney-honored-for-integrity/

 

Binney says he and two other NSA colleagues who also quit tried sounding the alarm with congressional committees. But because they did not have documents to prove their charges, nobody believed them. Snowden, he says, did not repeat that mistake.

 

"He recognized right away, it was very clear to me, that if he wanted anybody to believe him, he'd have to take a lot of documentation with him — which is what he did," Binney says.

 

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/22/333741495/before-snowden-the-whistleblowers-who-tried-to-lift-the-veil

 

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Gordyfl--i think Hillary's e-mails, which were clearly a misjudgment on her part, but were never hacked, is small fish when compared the pres.  elect and cronies colluding with enemy foreign governments.

btw, an investigation was done--nothing unlawful--we'll see how Trump fares.

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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@gordyfl wrote:

The problem with the link you give about "whistleblower Bill Binney" is that Binney resigned his NSA position in 2001 and could have NO first hand knowledge.  This is a non-story from somebody who can not back up what he is saying.

 

William Edward Binney is a former highly placed intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) turned whistleblower who resigned on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency. He was a high-profile critic of his former employers during the George W. Bush administration.

 

Binney continued to speak out during Barack Obama's presidency about the NSA's data collection policies, and continues to give interviews in the media regarding his experiences and his views on interception of communication of American citizens by governmental agencies.


After he left the NSA in 2001, Binney was one of several people investigated as part of an inquiry into a 2005 The New York Times exposé on the agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program.

Binney was cleared of wrongdoing after three interviews with FBI agents beginning in March 2007, but in early July 2007, in an unannounced, armed, early morning raid, a dozen agents armed with rifles appeared at his house, one of whom entered the bathroom and pointed his gun at Binney, who was taking a shower.


The FBI confiscated a desktop computer, disks, and personal and business records. The NSA revoked his security clearance, forcing him to close a business he ran with former colleagues at a loss of a reported $300,000 in annual income.


The FBI raided the homes of Wiebe and Loomis, as well as House Intelligence Committee staffer Diane Roark, the same morning.


Several months later the Bureau raided the home of then still active NSA executive Thomas Andrews Drake who had also contacted DoD IG, but anonymously with confidentiality assured.


The Assistant Inspector General, John Crane, in charge of the Whistleblower Program, suspecting his superiors provided confidential information to the Justice Dept (DOJ), challenged them, was eventually forced from his position, and subsequently himself became a public whistleblower.


The punitive treatment of Binney, Drake, and the other whistleblowers also led Edward Snowden to go public with his revelations rather than report through the internal whistleblower program.


In 2012, Binney and his co-plaintiffs went to federal court to retrieve the confiscated items.

 

More at the link below...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)

 

 

 

nsa spy.jpg

 

 

 

 


What does any of that have to do with Binney being able to know something about a surveillance program that would have occured over 15 years after he left?

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@gordyfl wrote:

The actual paragraph in the story read:

Binney resigned from NSA shortly after the U.S. approach to intelligence changedfollowing the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He "became a whistleblower after discovering that elements of a data-monitoring program he had helped develop -- nicknamed ThinThread -- were being used to spy on Americans," PBS reported.

 

Why did you see the need to edit out the date?

I am truly interested in gordyfl's answer to your questions.

 

I edited quite a few words in my post - to keep it concise. Then I provided the link to the full story.

 

For those who didn't know -- The Patriot Act and the NSA Spy Program came after 911 - not before. 


What you edited out (you did it again in the second paragraph) were any reference to dates.  From what you posted, anybody who does not know anything about Binney would be under the impression that he recently resigned and must therefore know something that he could not know. 

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The problem with the link you give about "whistleblower Bill Binney" is that Binney resigned his NSA position in 2001 and could have NO first hand knowledge.  This is a non-story from somebody who can not back up what he is saying.

 

William Edward Binney is a former highly placed intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) turned whistleblower who resigned on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency. He was a high-profile critic of his former employers during the George W. Bush administration.

 

Binney continued to speak out during Barack Obama's presidency about the NSA's data collection policies, and continues to give interviews in the media regarding his experiences and his views on interception of communication of American citizens by governmental agencies.


After he left the NSA in 2001, Binney was one of several people investigated as part of an inquiry into a 2005 The New York Times exposé on the agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program.

Binney was cleared of wrongdoing after three interviews with FBI agents beginning in March 2007, but in early July 2007, in an unannounced, armed, early morning raid, a dozen agents armed with rifles appeared at his house, one of whom entered the bathroom and pointed his gun at Binney, who was taking a shower.


The FBI confiscated a desktop computer, disks, and personal and business records. The NSA revoked his security clearance, forcing him to close a business he ran with former colleagues at a loss of a reported $300,000 in annual income.


The FBI raided the homes of Wiebe and Loomis, as well as House Intelligence Committee staffer Diane Roark, the same morning.


Several months later the Bureau raided the home of then still active NSA executive Thomas Andrews Drake who had also contacted DoD IG, but anonymously with confidentiality assured.


The Assistant Inspector General, John Crane, in charge of the Whistleblower Program, suspecting his superiors provided confidential information to the Justice Dept (DOJ), challenged them, was eventually forced from his position, and subsequently himself became a public whistleblower.


The punitive treatment of Binney, Drake, and the other whistleblowers also led Edward Snowden to go public with his revelations rather than report through the internal whistleblower program.


In 2012, Binney and his co-plaintiffs went to federal court to retrieve the confiscated items.

 

More at the link below...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)

 

 

 

nsa spy.jpg

 

 

 

 

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The actual paragraph in the story read:

Binney resigned from NSA shortly after the U.S. approach to intelligence changedfollowing the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He "became a whistleblower after discovering that elements of a data-monitoring program he had helped develop -- nicknamed ThinThread -- were being used to spy on Americans," PBS reported.

 

Why did you see the need to edit out the date?

I am truly interested in gordyfl's answer to your questions.

 

I edited quite a few words in my post - to keep it concise. Then I provided the link to the full story.

 

For those who didn't know -- The Patriot Act and the NSA Spy Program came after 911 - not before. 

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The president having that information prompt him to ask that the FBI investgate those who had contact with the Russians is "using it for the good of the nation".

 

Was all of the fruitless investgations on Hillary using the FBI in a "partisan" way ?

 

That was my point. Partisan politics come into play. Democrats will defend their president even if it means using James Clapper, Michael Hayden or John McCain as good sources of opinion. Democrats will defend the Patriot Act when Obama comes under criticism and put the spy program under suspicion when Bush is president. 

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