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@Olderscout66 wrote:

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There is a huge advantage to the EU in Brexit happening but without an agreement.  They can show how it would destroy any country which tries.  An object lesson. 


Problem is there's no immediate connection between exiting and the damage it will do to the average citizen - look at us, we destroyed the World's financial system with deregulation, and 4 years later, elected a gaggle of GOPers dedicated to even more deregulation!  I think the EU will accept a SHORT extension for the Brits to finish coming to their senses - they're muddling along toward that epiphany as we speak.


Agreed but if Britain is going to leave the E.U., there is zero incentive to go out of their way to make it a smooth transition. There is a HUGE incentive to show it is a disaster for any country to even consider it.  Finally, there is no reason for the E.U. to grant the extension that the British Parliament has approved.  As May asked: "What will change in 90 days?" They will not be allowed to go over 90 days because of the upcoming E.U. elections. It would be insane to allow a country leaving the E.U. to have a say in its leadership. 

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@Richva wrote:

There is a huge advantage to the EU in Brexit happening but without an agreement.  They can show how it would destroy any country which tries.  An object lesson. 


Problem is there's no immediate connection between exiting and the damage it will do to the average citizen - look at us, we destroyed the World's financial system with deregulation, and 4 years later, elected a gaggle of GOPers dedicated to even more deregulation!  I think the EU will accept a SHORT extension for the Brits to finish coming to their senses - they're muddling along toward that epiphany as we speak.

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   I doubt that many RW have been following the complexity of the Exit - except that it happened.    There are lots of excellent articles, but the info by Gruff - is illuminating, but only if a reader understands another complexity that Farge, et al never considered, which was Ireland and Northern Ireland.    Ireland has long been a tax haven and the "back stop" negotiation that May et al  have to try and sell was an epic failure.  

    Banks have already started relocating  to the EU out of UK because of the massive mis-management / negotiations by May. 

     Farge / Bannon appear to really want to destroy nations...many people in Europe are finally figuring out the smoke / mirror gambit that has given rise to Authoritarianism that will kill off capitalism.   Was that the intended consequence - I doubt it.  

 

    A seemingly trivial problem:  shipping stuff from UK to EU - UK failed to recognize that a non-EU nation has to follow a simple standard of shipping pallets.   UK has failed to acquire sufficient numbers of that basic entity - so shipping to EU will be delayed by something so simple that tthe UK should have considered when looking at the complexity of what May decided to do when she filled the paperwork to exit EU.    Yea, she is pretty incompetent. 


Why must every post regardless of the subject begin with some negative comment about "the RW"??? In this case, is Brexit not of sufficient interest all by itself?

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You will remember that this was one of the first times Trump expressed an opinion on international affairs. Or, stuck his nose into another country's affiars, you choice.  

 

The exit from the EU has been a loser since day one. It started because some British did not want to accept dark skinned people. It is about to collapse the British economy or embarrass the heck out of them. The E.U. has said they might extend the deadline for Brezit but what would be the point? The E.U. won't give anything else (the British should have known they were in a lousy negotiating position). Parliament will not agree to the deal on the table. The British government can ask for a new referendum. 

 

No winners here and Trump backed it.  This is the perfect example of a deal with Trump. 

 

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-uk-theresa-may-eu-braces-for-brexit-extension-request/


Yep - Brexit is a perfect example of lil donny's powers of discernment and another proof the twit ceased developing mentally and emptionally on his 6th birthday.

 

As to WHY would the EU grant an extension - the Brits are a HUGE trading partner, and sending them down the rat jrbush hole of economic collapse is NOT in their best interest. Unlike lil donny, the leaders of the EU try and avoid harming their citizens because the they've been duped to follow some hairbrained scheme sold on the basis of racism.

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Thanks to all for providing some clarity on the otherwise confusing subject of the Brexit issue. To learn that Nigel is working on screwing it up, and that trump and his cohorts have had a hand

in trying to interfere with Britain and the EU. Certainly an object lesson for us where trump is destroying something else, Then again I think that we have caught on to trump’s ways. And probably putin’s hand guiding trump and some in Britain. Sounds familiar. 

Thanks

 

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There is a huge advantage to the EU in Brexit happening but without an agreement.  They can show how it would destroy any country which tries.  An object lesson. 

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The report this evening is that Farge is trying to find one member of the EU who will not agree to what Britain wants todo which will force an exit  without an agreement. I have a strong feeling he will get help from Trump and his allies. Steve will in all likelihood be involved.

If Britain leaves it could start the end of the United Kingdom. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland want to stay and they could move to leave  the United Kingdom. Scotland tried a few years ago and the effort failed. One reason was being in the EU. The problem between Spain and Britain with the Rock will restart. The rock is British but Spain claims it. With both in the EU the problem was solved. There will be problems in the ocean over fishing rights and rules. When both were in EU same rules applied. Before EU there were problems with rules as the countries each had their own. Shame Trump and his crew have caused this problem, but it shows what can happen when people listen to the far right enablers.

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    A seemingly trivial problem:  shipping stuff from UK to EU - UK failed to recognize that a non-EU nation has to follow a simple standard of shipping pallets.   UK has failed to acquire sufficient numbers of that basic entity - so shipping to EU will be delayed by something so simple that tthe UK should have considered when looking at the complexity of what May decided to do when she filled the paperwork to exit EU.    Yea, she is pretty incompetent. 

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
 
It's one of the reasons I think it's all BS to get around the tax avoidance laws.
 
 
Two years in and they haven't done anything, no customs checkpoints set up, no security, no plans to prepare for Brexit I can see. Now a no deal Brexit is ruled out, so now what ?  May's deal, which is the Irish border backstop, and then we'll figure it out later,  or indefinite hold, just some kind of extended pre Brexit but not actually a Brexit limbo?
 
Either way is a wait and see, while industry flees and GDP goes down.
 
 
May is trying to hold the conservative party together and making deals with the devil to do it.
 
 
As long as the 1% can keep their money, no sacrifice is to great.
 
 
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   I doubt that many RW have been following the complexity of the Exit - except that it happened.    There are lots of excellent articles, but the info by Gruff - is illuminating, but only if a reader understands another complexity that Farge, et al never considered, which was Ireland and Northern Ireland.    Ireland has long been a tax haven and the "back stop" negotiation that May et al  have to try and sell was an epic failure.  

    Banks have already started relocating  to the EU out of UK because of the massive mis-management / negotiations by May. 

     Farge / Bannon appear to really want to destroy nations...many people in Europe are finally figuring out the smoke / mirror gambit that has given rise to Authoritarianism that will kill off capitalism.   Was that the intended consequence - I doubt it.  

 

    A seemingly trivial problem:  shipping stuff from UK to EU - UK failed to recognize that a non-EU nation has to follow a simple standard of shipping pallets.   UK has failed to acquire sufficient numbers of that basic entity - so shipping to EU will be delayed by something so simple that tthe UK should have considered when looking at the complexity of what May decided to do when she filled the paperwork to exit EU.    Yea, she is pretty incompetent. 

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Why would the EU grant an extension?

 

If perhaps given enough time the people of UK and the world will be able to see Brexit for what it is, how it came to be,  and what the consequences of it are.

 

 

So the EU has been patient

 

 

One aspect of Brexit is taxes, the EU proposed a law in 2016, it took effect Jan 1 2019

 

 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/company-tax/anti-tax-avoidance-package/anti-tax-avoid...

 

The Anti Tax Avoidance Directive

 

Controlled foreign company (CFC) rule:  to deter profit shifting to a low/no tax country.

 

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Switchover rule: to prevent double non-taxation of certain income.

 

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Exit taxation: to prevent companies from avoiding tax when re-locating assets.

 

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Interest limitation: to discourage artificial debt arrangements designed to minimise taxes.

 

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General anti-abuse rule: to counteract aggressive tax planning when other rules don’t apply.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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This is in part an effort to control tax avoidance though tax havens.

 

 

The 1% couldn't have that , so along with the stuff John mentioned they proceeded exploit attacks by the Russians and existing weaknesses and divisions in the UK to sell the people of the UK a pig in a poke.

 

 

 

The people of the UK voted for or didn't vote against a deal and an outcome based on empty promises.

 

 

What should have happened was to hold an election to question if they wanted a better deal then what they had, and then another election to vote on the deal they were actually able to get through tough talk and threats against the EU.

 

 

They used division and racism to divide the people against each other. That is different in the UK then the USA, it is basically racism against people who are not English, even if they are of the same race and British. This has always been present in the UK society, a feeling by the " English " that they were superior to the Welsh, the Scots, and the Irish.

 

 

Maybe it's not so different, the Irish were called " Green bleaps ) around the time of the civil war, but Americans got over that and racism against the Italians, Poles, and other white immigrants, we're still working on the black and brown thing.

 

 

In the UK though that is still a thing, they don't just think they're superior to Poles and Romanians, they think the " English " are  superior  to other white members of the UK and the people of Ireland.

 

 

So they were able to convince enough people mostly the " English " to vote for Brexit, and not enough people of the UK, the British,  turned out to vote against it.

 

 

Of course the Brexit types and the Conservative party  couldn't keep the promises they made , but they were quick to use democracy as a weapon against their own people, but we had a vote, they did and still are saying.

 

 

They are saying if you want a second vote on the awesome deal promised but that never materialized it's anti democratic.

 

 

I think reality has sunk in and the UK will not leave the EU, perhaps they never intended to leave to begin with, perhaps all this angist and division in the UK is just to avoid The Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.

 

 

So in the end I think the UK will stay in the EU on the condition they can ignore the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.

 

 

It tore the country apart and opened old wounds between the Welsh, Scots, and the Irish, but in the end the 1% in the UK will be able to continue to avoid taxes and The Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.

 

 

The 1% will be able to keep " their money".

 

 

Any of this sound remotely familiar?

 

 

Do you think it's strategic? Do you think the Brexit fiasco is a warning to the rest of the world about Tax Avoidance Directives.

 

 

Is it a demonstration of what the 1% can do?

 

 

 

 

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