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You might want to check out those tax tables again NOT. They will verify nobody in the bottom 50% EVER paid federal income tax until the middle of WWII and virtually all the revenue came from the very well paid and Corporations until the 1970's.

 

The RWers keep repeating the lie that the transfer of income from the workers to the ones dividingthe profits was caused by MANUFACTURING CHANGES, and not the Reagan Taxscam.

 

WHAT changes in manufacturing? Do you honestly believe automation did not exist prior to 1980?

 

CAD/CAM entered the workplace in the early 1960's at the same time the process of "pressing" precision gears out of powdered metal reduced the need for precision machinists. These have gotten more sophisticated, but the changes are marginal compared to the revolution brought about by their introduction.

 

And yet despite those revolutionary changes in automation AND outsourcing via just-in-time-delivery, the average wage of the workers CONTINUED to climb just as fast as the increase in their productivity...UNTIL THE REAGANSCAM.

 

Face it, if someone is dividing the profits and they cannot keep the increase they give themselves, they'll give it to soomeone else. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

 

As for the 75% of college costs being provided by Government in the 1960's and 70's, I gave you SIX sources - you must've misfiled them among all the photoshop pics of Obama.


True, the changes in manufacturing did not go from the assembly lines of the '50s to the manufacturing model of the '80s (your Reaganscam) overnight. It was a gradual process with gradual results.

 

Now, as far as the federal government paying 75% of the costs of college and university prior to Reagan. You have repeatedly claimed to have given SIX sources - what were they??

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The Bradford Tax Institute was difficult to research. Seems some CPA named W, Murry Bradford who offers advice on how to reduce your taxes founded the Institute, perhaps hoping people would conflate it with something associated with the Harvard/MIT/Princeton Economist David Bradford.

 

If you look at the numbers, the Reagan Scam has totally REVERSED the redistribution of income and wealth so it now moves FROM the Middle Class TO the top of the 1%. To verify, you can check any gov't report on distribution of wealth or income published in the last 30 years

 

By the way, you do not have any legal right to money that comes to you UNTIL you have paid the tax. That which you never had CANNOT be taken away for redistributionto anyone. Likewise, nobody loses WEALTH from taxation (unless a court action is involved), so again there's no redistribution from taxation.

 

What HAS caused the redistribution is the simple fact by allowing the ones who divide the profits to keep AT LEAST 75 cents of every dollar they give to themselves instead of the 25 cents they would keep from 1965 to 1980 (or the 5 cents they would keep from 1934 until 1964), they will keep the dollar. If they have to hand 75 cents over to the Government, they'll give the dollar to their workers instead. Proof? That's exactly what happened from 1948 until 1973. Then more and more money stuck to the fingers of those doing the dividing until today ALL the income gains are going to the top 10% and almost all of that goes to the top 1%.

IT MATTERS NOT HOW MUCH YOU PAY IN TAXES

ALL THAT MATTERS IS HOW MUCH YOU HAVE AFTER YOU PAY YOUR TAXES

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

You might want to check out those tax tables again NOT. They will verify nobody in the bottom 50% EVER paid federal income tax until the middle of WWII and virtually all the revenue came from the very well paid and Corporations until the 1970's.

 

The RWers keep repeating the lie that the transfer of income from the workers to the ones dividingthe profits was caused by MANUFACTURING CHANGES, and not the Reagan Taxscam.

 

WHAT changes in manufacturing? Do you honestly believe automation did not exist prior to 1980?

 

CAD/CAM entered the workplace in the early 1960's at the same time the process of "pressing" precision gears out of powdered metal reduced the need for precision machinists. These have gotten more sophisticated, but the changes are marginal compared to the revolution brought about by their introduction.

 

And yet despite those revolutionary changes in automation AND outsourcing via just-in-time-delivery, the average wage of the workers CONTINUED to climb just as fast as the increase in their productivity...UNTIL THE REAGANSCAM.

 

Face it, if someone is dividing the profits and they cannot keep the increase they give themselves, they'll give it to soomeone else. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

 

As for the 75% of college costs being provided by Government in the 1960's and 70's, I gave you SIX sources - you must've misfiled them among all the photoshop pics of Obama.


If you click the link, you will see the whole story.  BTW, the "rich" have been redistributing money to the middle and lower incomes since the income tax was set up. Of course, the rates were much lower and raised to subsidize the war effort and NEVER rolled back so the programs grew and grew to meet the larger supply of money and soon there was not enough. There never is enough with Democrats because they have an unsatiable appetite for free stuff.

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You might want to check out those tax tables again NOT. They will verify nobody in the bottom 50% EVER paid federal income tax until the middle of WWII and virtually all the revenue came from the very well paid and Corporations until the 1970's.

 

The RWers keep repeating the lie that the transfer of income from the workers to the ones dividingthe profits was caused by MANUFACTURING CHANGES, and not the Reagan Taxscam.

 

WHAT changes in manufacturing? Do you honestly believe automation did not exist prior to 1980?

 

CAD/CAM entered the workplace in the early 1960's at the same time the process of "pressing" precision gears out of powdered metal reduced the need for precision machinists. These have gotten more sophisticated, but the changes are marginal compared to the revolution brought about by their introduction.

 

And yet despite those revolutionary changes in automation AND outsourcing via just-in-time-delivery, the average wage of the workers CONTINUED to climb just as fast as the increase in their productivity...UNTIL THE REAGANSCAM.

 

Face it, if someone is dividing the profits and they cannot keep the increase they give themselves, they'll give it to soomeone else. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

 

As for the 75% of college costs being provided by Government in the 1960's and 70's, I gave you SIX sources - you must've misfiled them among all the photoshop pics of Obama.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

From 1948 to 1973, every additional dollar a worker earned for his employer resulted in the worker receiving 95 cents back in his paycheck. From 1973 until 2015, each new dollar created by improved worker productivity left 45 cents in the workers' pocket. The difference, half of every additional dollar created by the workers improved productivity, has been flowing into the pockets of the dividers for 35 years.

 

Time to give it back to the creators and let the drones go back to getting sane raises.


In 1913, the top tax bracket was 7 percent on all income over $500,000 ($11 million in today’s dollars1); and the lowest tax bracket was 1 percent.

 

https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx

 

Of course, the left didn't have their hand out so far YET!

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

From 1948 to 1973, every additional dollar a worker earned for his employer resulted in the worker receiving 95 cents back in his paycheck. From 1973 until 2015, each new dollar created by improved worker productivity left 45 cents in the workers' pocket. The difference, half of every additional dollar created by the workers improved productivity, has been flowing into the pockets of the dividers for 35 years.

 

Time to give it back to the creators and let the drones go back to getting sane raises.

 

If you will check you calendar carefully you will find that those days are gone and, more importantly, the manufacturing environment of those days is gone. In the free market, one is paid based on what their efforts contribute to the value of the end product. The assembly line worker was essential and as a result paid based on his contribution. Today, physical labor's contribution to the value of the product is replaced by mental labor.

 

That is not 100% true - construction, for example, needs physical work - but the ones making the money are skilled workers even there.

 

It is time for you to wake up and look at the real world that was caused by changes in manufacturing, not the Reagan tax cuts.


 


A Right Winger wearing blinders telling an intelligent factual poster from the left to "look at the real world" ......................... what a hoot !!!!   ROFLMAO !!!!


I realize that I may be asking you to step a bit beyond your discussion capacity but do you disagree with anything I posted??

 

Or you can just stick with "hoot" and "ROFLMAO".

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

From 1948 to 1973, every additional dollar a worker earned for his employer resulted in the worker receiving 95 cents back in his paycheck. From 1973 until 2015, each new dollar created by improved worker productivity left 45 cents in the workers' pocket. The difference, half of every additional dollar created by the workers improved productivity, has been flowing into the pockets of the dividers for 35 years.

 

Time to give it back to the creators and let the drones go back to getting sane raises.

 

If you will check you calendar carefully you will find that those days are gone and, more importantly, the manufacturing environment of those days is gone. In the free market, one is paid based on what their efforts contribute to the value of the end product. The assembly line worker was essential and as a result paid based on his contribution. Today, physical labor's contribution to the value of the product is replaced by mental labor.

 

That is not 100% true - construction, for example, needs physical work - but the ones making the money are skilled workers even there.

 

It is time for you to wake up and look at the real world that was caused by changes in manufacturing, not the Reagan tax cuts.


 


A Right Winger wearing blinders telling an intelligent factual poster from the left to "look at the real world" ......................... what a hoot !!!!   ROFLMAO !!!!


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@Olderscout66 wrote:

From 1948 to 1973, every additional dollar a worker earned for his employer resulted in the worker receiving 95 cents back in his paycheck. From 1973 until 2015, each new dollar created by improved worker productivity left 45 cents in the workers' pocket. The difference, half of every additional dollar created by the workers improved productivity, has been flowing into the pockets of the dividers for 35 years.

 

Time to give it back to the creators and let the drones go back to getting sane raises.

 

If you will check you calendar carefully you will find that those days are gone and, more importantly, the manufacturing environment of those days is gone. In the free market, one is paid based on what their efforts contribute to the value of the end product. The assembly line worker was essential and as a result paid based on his contribution. Today, physical labor's contribution to the value of the product is replaced by mental labor.

 

That is not 100% true - construction, for example, needs physical work - but the ones making the money are skilled workers even there.

 

It is time for you to wake up and look at the real world that was caused by changes in manufacturing, not the Reagan tax cuts.


 

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We have Government Programs because our ancestors tired of living in caves and eating whatever they could catch or pick that day. In short, we have Government Programs because we perfer Civilization to the Stone Age.

 

No, that is how the free market began. Individuals working together as free citizens doing what it took to feed their families ended up creating a system the provided for the needs of all the productive. A far cry from depending on the government for all our needs.

 

I notice you mentioned colleges and universities again. Have you found any substantiation for your claim that the feds paid 75% of the cost prior to the dreaded Reagan tax cuts?

 

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Older posted...

From 1948 to 1973, every additional dollar a worker earned for his employer resulted in the worker receiving 95 cents back in his paycheck.

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You are free to post your opinion but when you continue to make things up ...like what you just did you lose your credibility.


You are free to accuse someone of making something up but without a source to back up your words mean nothing.


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