Why can't conservatives define what they mean by "socialism"?

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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Conservatives continually accuse anyone they perceive as being left wing of wanting pure Socialism in America. I have to laugh because they are so ignorant of the truth.

Typical - make something up and then attack someone else for it. And, of course, throw the giggle in.

I made nothing up, all of the posts are here for all to see. Others may giggle seeing someone deny the truth.

 

A Social Democracy is what most in America supports, even a very large number of Republicans, Independents and other smaller Political Parties.

Is this what you mean, "a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means"?

I mean exactly what I stated, not some twisted interpretation of it.

 

Now the Right has something else to bash !!!!

Do you have no idea as to the meaning of "discussion"?

Does your meaning of the word "discussion" include twisting the meaning of the words of others? Does it include erroneously accusing "liberals" of wanting "Socialism"?

First question - no. Second question - Progrssives, yes.


 


 


 

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This is like the paid by need or contribution discussion. Some prefer not to reveal their honest beliefs and so go off on hate filled rants about the accomplished.


So please tell us why the Right continues to do that?


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Conservatives continually accuse anyone they perceive as being left wing of wanting pure Socialism in America. I have to laugh because they are so ignorant of the truth.

Typical - make something up and then attack someone else for it. And, of course, throw the giggle in.

I made nothing up, all of the posts are here for all to see. Others may giggle seeing someone deny the truth.

 

A Social Democracy is what most in America supports, even a very large number of Republicans, Independents and other smaller Political Parties.

Is this what you mean, "a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means"?

I mean exactly what I stated, not some twisted interpretation of it.

 

Now the Right has something else to bash !!!!

Do you have no idea as to the meaning of "discussion"?

Does your meaning of the word "discussion" include twisting the meaning of the words of others? Does it include erroneously accusing "liberals" of wanting "Socialism"?


 


 


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In todays politics, marxism has about as much to do with socialism as conservatism has to do with integrity.

socialism is based on the thinking of marx. the only differences around is the degree to which any particular nation has gone. some have gone all the way leading to dictatorship, others are doing a balancing act. some have gone so far as to ruin their economies others have held back from the brink.

 

what lack of integrity do you see in Conservative ideology?


That's the problem - very few people have only BAD ideas. But GOPers mistakenly believe that anything involving anything that Marx ever said or thought would lead to a totalitarian system like the former USSR, which, buy the way, NEVER had anything to do with Communism, beyond the rhetoric to justify the absolute control a very few exercised over the lives of 300 million people.

 

I recall heearing back in the 1960's GOPers proclaiming "Socialism" would destroy Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France Germany, the UK etc. Now 50 years later, those countries have the happiest people on the Planet, along with strong vibrant economies, solid middle classes and a fraction of the wealth inequality we have in America.

 

The myopia of Republicanism prevents the GOPers from seeing the huge benefits of using the powers of Government to promote the GENERAL welfare and the evil caused when that role of Government is abandoned to rely on the "goodness" of Corporate Oligarchs to oversee our incomes, retirement, education and health care.


The above explains the title of this topic. Some defend their hidden beliefs by trying to make everything be defined in absolutes - " anything involving anything that Marx ever said or thought would lead to a totalitarian system like the former USSR" - pointing out the danger or the possibility (historically proven) of it is not accepted.

 

This is like the paid by need or contribution discussion. Some prefer not to reveal their honest beliefs and so go off on hate filled rants about the accomplished.

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Richva:  This has been an ongoing problem for the Right. They want desperately to warn us all of the dangers of socialism without being able to define what they mean.

 

 

I think to them, it's any government program or activity that benefits people they don't like. In contrast, they do like those same sort of things if the benefit people they like (the 1% and themselves.)


The REAL problem is the dolts support things that ONLY benefit the 1% and seriously harm the 99%. For the Trumpette, that's okay, so long as it harms the people they hate - like the old joke about the guy who hapapens on a GOPer sitting on a hornets nest. The angry insects are stinging the bejabbers out of our Repub, but when asked why he just doesn't MOVE, his answer is "I figure I'm hurting them more then they're hurting me."  Almost a shame we got rid of the literacy requirements for voting.


......and the solution is for the government to own all the money and see that it is distributed equally. Or maybe distributed based on need not earning.  Sounds like a plan - a plan with a name.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
In todays politics, marxism has about as much to do with socialism as conservatism has to do with integrity.

socialism is based on the thinking of marx. the only differences around is the degree to which any particular nation has gone. some have gone all the way leading to dictatorship, others are doing a balancing act. some have gone so far as to ruin their economies others have held back from the brink.

 

what lack of integrity do you see in Conservative ideology?


That's the problem - very few people have only BAD ideas. But GOPers mistakenly believe that anything involving anything that Marx ever said or thought would lead to a totalitarian system like the former USSR, which, buy the way, NEVER had anything to do with Communism, beyond the rhetoric to justify the absolute control a very few exercised over the lives of 300 million people.

 

I recall heearing back in the 1960's GOPers proclaiming "Socialism" would destroy Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France Germany, the UK etc. Now 50 years later, those countries have the happiest people on the Planet, along with strong vibrant economies, solid middle classes and a fraction of the wealth inequality we have in America.

 

The myopia of Republicanism prevents the GOPers from seeing the huge benefits of using the powers of Government to promote the GENERAL welfare and the evil caused when that role of Government is abandoned to rely on the "goodness" of Corporate Oligarchs to oversee our incomes, retirement, education and health care.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Richva:  This has been an ongoing problem for the Right. They want desperately to warn us all of the dangers of socialism without being able to define what they mean.

 

 

I think to them, it's any government program or activity that benefits people they don't like. In contrast, they do like those same sort of things if the benefit people they like (the 1% and themselves.)


The REAL problem is the dolts support things that ONLY benefit the 1% and seriously harm the 99%. For the Trumpette, that's okay, so long as it harms the people they hate - like the old joke about the guy who hapapens on a GOPer sitting on a hornets nest. The angry insects are stinging the bejabbers out of our Repub, but when asked why he just doesn't MOVE, his answer is "I figure I'm hurting them more then they're hurting me."  Almost a shame we got rid of the literacy requirements for voting.

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@MIseker wrote:
In todays politics, marxism has about as much to do with socialism as conservatism has to do with integrity.

socialism is based on the thinking of marx. the only differences around is the degree to which any particular nation has gone. some have gone all the way leading to dictatorship, others are doing a balancing act. some have gone so far as to ruin their economies others have held back from the brink.

 

what lack of integrity do you see in Conservative ideology?

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@A Social Democracy is what most in America supports, even a very large number of Republicans, Independents and other smaller Political Parties. @ChasKy...........I think we are a Representative Democracy since we still vote and elect our officials to represent us. Try as some may on this board, nothing that is written will represent anything. Our vote and who we elect is what will represent us. It has in the past and it will in the future. I have respected officials that I did not vote for. Our past President was one I wondered if we would survive. I still do since he won't keep his mouth shut, but the country is thriving in spite of anything written here or anything the press decides to twist and predict. I used to think it was the job of the press to report with accuracy, not try to predict. I don't support a Socialist Government. I know we have a lot of social programs, but think we are encouraging a group to think everything can be given to them.

I think the left is considered a Social Democracy because there seems to be no end to the social programs they want in place.  Everything can't be fixed with give aways.  We have to use better judgement in what we support.  The United States cannot babysit everyone.  There comes a time for people to make their own way and I think left to do this, we would see many welfare programs shrink.  


"A Social Democracy is what most in America supports," So, your definition of social democracy is capitalism?

 So (social democracy) "a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means" is your definition of Capitalism??

 


 


Hey, I was just trying to get any of the posters on the right to commit to a definition of any sort. They have been amazingly slimy about it. 


Hey, you have and have decided to play games rather than honestly discuss the various definitions and variations.

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In todays politics, marxism has about as much to do with socialism as conservatism has to do with integrity.
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