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This about the person quoted at the start of this thread...


DiAngelo is known for her work regarding "white fragility", a term she coined in a 2011 peer-reviewed paper.[9][10][11] She has defined the concept of white fragility as "a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves." As of 2016, she regularly gives workshops on the topic.[12][13]

She sounds like a nut with a PHD.
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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

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So why are whites defensive about racism?


So, I can only speak for me and I'm not. What makes you think people who see people as people are defensive about that?

 

You'd actually have to bother to read the article. Your first post to the topic clearly demonstrated the defensiveness.  It was all about you and blaming others....the article didn't name you.


That makes no sense - how can thinking of people as people be "defensive"?

 

As to blaming others - surely you are aware of the penchant for your "side of the street" to look at others (my "side of the street), as too uneducated to understand. And when you call someone Nazi, fascist, alt-right, white supremacist, etc. - might that be "blaming others"?


You'll have to follow yourself into your own rabbit hole and distortions....have fun.


Ran out of  rational thought did ya?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

So why are whites defensive about racism?


So, I can only speak for me and I'm not. What makes you think people who see people as people are defensive about that?

 

You'd actually have to bother to read the article. Your first post to the topic clearly demonstrated the defensiveness.  It was all about you and blaming others....the article didn't name you.


That makes no sense - how can thinking of people as people be "defensive"?

 

As to blaming others - surely you are aware of the penchant for your "side of the street" to look at others (my "side of the street), as too uneducated to understand. And when you call someone Nazi, fascist, alt-right, white supremacist, etc. - might that be "blaming others"?


You'll have to follow yourself into your own rabbit hole and distortions....have fun.


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

So why are whites defensive about racism?


So, I can only speak for me and I'm not. What makes you think people who see people as people are defensive about that?

 

You'd actually have to bother to read the article. Your first post to the topic clearly demonstrated the defensiveness.  It was all about you and blaming others....the article didn't name you.


That makes no sense - how can thinking of people as people be "defensive"?

 

As to blaming others - surely you are aware of the penchant for your "side of the street" to look at others (my "side of the street), as too uneducated to understand. And when you call someone Nazi, fascist, alt-right, white supremacist, etc. - might that be "blaming others"?

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The most reliably "defensive" racists are the ones working to deny the effects of racism need to be remediated by claiming such remediation is itself "racism".

It is important to consider when the light at the end of the tunnel is for such "remediation". For example, how many generations must have the benefits of "upward mobility" and "diversity" programs which are based on the thought that they cannot "make it" without Big Brother?

 

When you spend 50 years ripping apart black families in the name of a War on Drugs, you owe some consideration to the ones who grew up in the broken homes your War created.

It began with LBJ. He toke the noble concept of desegregation and perverted it into integration. In other words, still (for example) assigning kids to schools based on their race. The  there was his welfare program that tore the poor families apart by demanding one parent homes.

 

When you spend 300 years teaching children races need to be separated, and then arrange so the separation means one group receives better homes, safer neighborhoods, more effective schools and better jobs, you need to compensate those who were denied those advantages.

How long to you wait 'til you accept those folks as full and equal citizens, not needing the government to "fix it" for them?

 

And then you go off on another class warfare rant........

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

So why are whites defensive about racism?


So, I can only speak for me and I'm not. What makes you think people who see people as people are defensive about that?

 

You'd actually have to bother to read the article. Your first post to the topic clearly demonstrated the defensiveness; your post was all about you and blaming others....the article didn't name you and you made it ALL about you....being defensive.  It was quite clear.


 


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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The most reliably "defensive" racists are the ones working to deny the effects of racism need to be remediated by claiming such remediation is itself "racism".

 

When you spend 50 years ripping apart black families in the name of a War on Drugs, you owe some consideration to the ones who grew up in the broken homes your War created.

 

When you spend 300 years teaching children races need to be separated, and then arrange so the separation means one group receives better homes, safer neighborhoods, more effective schools and better jobs, you need to compensate those who were denied those advantages.

 

What has happened since the mid-1960's is the top of the 1% has quietly worked to produce a "meritocracy" by selecting the "best and brightest" from the 99% and granting them access to the most significant of those advantages - the best schools and best entry-level jobs, along with the social and personal contacts made in those schools and on those jobs.

 

Problem is, those very bright people realized they were smarter than their benifactors, and took over the top jobs without any intention of continuing this "redistribution of wealth" that had put them at the top of the economic heap.

 

So instead of promoting MORE "scholarships" for the best of the 99%, they used their new wealth to hand THEIR CHILDREN the advantages they had been given, insuring their spawn will be able to "out compete" their contemporaries.

 

Moreover, they learned that running a huge corporation is easier than running a 2-bay garage because as CEO you don't need to know how anything actually works, you only need to know how to surround yourself with sycophants who will conceal your inadequacy while sharing the spoils you take from the labor of those outside the corner offices.

 

Don't believe it? How is it possible the ones running our Corporations are "worth" 6000% more than their counterparts in 1965, while the entire workforce is LESS capable and therefore receives less real income than their contuerparts in 1965?

 

It's not. What happened was not a revolution in improved management. What happened was the Reagan taxscam that allowed those dividing the profits to keep it all for themselves, and the use their illgotten wealth to insulate their children from any meaningful comeptition as they rise to the top.


Many of those 1% did not come from wealth but from their own perseverance and work. Reagan was not the problem, nor is Trump. Those that think that are the problem.


It may be that he/she/it did not have the perseverance you referred to and now has to find someone else to blame for his/her/it's circumstances.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The most reliably "defensive" racists are the ones working to deny the effects of racism need to be remediated by claiming such remediation is itself "racism".

 

When you spend 50 years ripping apart black families in the name of a War on Drugs, you owe some consideration to the ones who grew up in the broken homes your War created.

 

When you spend 300 years teaching children races need to be separated, and then arrange so the separation means one group receives better homes, safer neighborhoods, more effective schools and better jobs, you need to compensate those who were denied those advantages.

 

What has happened since the mid-1960's is the top of the 1% has quietly worked to produce a "meritocracy" by selecting the "best and brightest" from the 99% and granting them access to the most significant of those advantages - the best schools and best entry-level jobs, along with the social and personal contacts made in those schools and on those jobs.

 

Problem is, those very bright people realized they were smarter than their benifactors, and took over the top jobs without any intention of continuing this "redistribution of wealth" that had put them at the top of the economic heap.

 

So instead of promoting MORE "scholarships" for the best of the 99%, they used their new wealth to hand THEIR CHILDREN the advantages they had been given, insuring their spawn will be able to "out compete" their contemporaries.

 

Moreover, they learned that running a huge corporation is easier than running a 2-bay garage because as CEO you don't need to know how anything actually works, you only need to know how to surround yourself with sycophants who will conceal your inadequacy while sharing the spoils you take from the labor of those outside the corner offices.

 

Don't believe it? How is it possible the ones running our Corporations are "worth" 6000% more than their counterparts in 1965, while the entire workforce is LESS capable and therefore receives less real income than their contuerparts in 1965?

 

It's not. What happened was not a revolution in improved management. What happened was the Reagan taxscam that allowed those dividing the profits to keep it all for themselves, and the use their illgotten wealth to insulate their children from any meaningful comeptition as they rise to the top.


Many of those 1% did not come from wealth but from their own perseverance and work. Reagan was not the problem, nor is Trump. Those that think that are the problem.

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The most reliably "defensive" racists are the ones working to deny the effects of racism need to be remediated by claiming such remediation is itself "racism".

 

When you spend 50 years ripping apart black families in the name of a War on Drugs, you owe some consideration to the ones who grew up in the broken homes your War created.

 

When you spend 300 years teaching children races need to be separated, and then arrange so the separation means one group receives better homes, safer neighborhoods, more effective schools and better jobs, you need to compensate those who were denied those advantages.

 

What has happened since the mid-1960's is the top of the 1% has quietly worked to produce a "meritocracy" by selecting the "best and brightest" from the 99% and granting them access to the most significant of those advantages - the best schools and best entry-level jobs, along with the social and personal contacts made in those schools and on those jobs.

 

Problem is, those very bright people realized they were smarter than their benifactors, and took over the top jobs without any intention of continuing this "redistribution of wealth" that had put them at the top of the economic heap.

 

So instead of promoting MORE "scholarships" for the best of the 99%, they used their new wealth to hand THEIR CHILDREN the advantages they had been given, insuring their spawn will be able to "out compete" their contemporaries.

 

Moreover, they learned that running a huge corporation is easier than running a 2-bay garage because as CEO you don't need to know how anything actually works, you only need to know how to surround yourself with sycophants who will conceal your inadequacy while sharing the spoils you take from the labor of those outside the corner offices.

 

Don't believe it? How is it possible the ones running our Corporations are "worth" 6000% more than their counterparts in 1965, while the entire workforce is LESS capable and therefore receives less real income than their contuerparts in 1965?

 

It's not. What happened was not a revolution in improved management. What happened was the Reagan taxscam that allowed those dividing the profits to keep it all for themselves, and the use their illgotten wealth to insulate their children from any meaningful comeptition as they rise to the top.

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The History and Dictionary Meaning of racism

 

Racism appears to be a word of recent origin, with no citations currently known that would suggest the word was in use prior to the early 20th century. But the fact that the word is fairly new does not prove that the concept of racism did not exist in the distant past. Things may have words to describe them before they exist (spaceship, for instance, has been in use since the 19th century, well before the rocket-fired vessels were invented), and things may exist for a considerable time before they are given names (t-shirt does not appear in print until the 20th century, although the article of clothing existed prior to 1900).

 

Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word’s meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes. The lexicographer’s role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals. When discussing concepts like racism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.

 

The History and Dictionary Meaning of racism

 

Synonym - Prejudice


O.K. - I am white, I am not defensive discussing racism. So, I guess we can continue talking about "prejudice" rather than "racism". Whatever floats your boat.

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