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Why Won't Democrats Start Impeachment?

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 

 

 

 

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Wonderful idea @mickstuder !!  You and Maxine should lead the charge and whip the rest of those democrats into shape.  

 

You can start the campaign on twitter and then move up to facebook and snapchat.

 

TOO FUNNY!  When you are on my time I can reclaim it! (Maxine Waters). 

 

maxine waters reclaiming my time GIF

 

 

 

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I certainly don't want this to be another bad choice by the Dems....I believe all the facts of what was discovered and found to be truth be told to the American public, but from what the pulse is what some claim it is, they will still stand behind Trump and the deception he is producing.

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@mickstuder wrote:

 

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

 

 

 


What about if you gave them an ultimatium (aka subpoena) and they refused that ultimatium -

Then after you checked you found out that the process was not gonna be easy - I guess because of those same pesky "Rules of Law".

 

Now it is not just the Executive Office, it is the Attorney General and some aides.

Do we actually have any laws that are cut and dried with no wiggle room or debate before some Judge for another view and further complexity.

 

Congressional Research Service 03/27/2019 - Congressional Subpoenas: EnforcingExecutive Branch Compl...

 

We aren't really gonna get any actual "governance" done, are we?!?!

 

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@GailL1 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

 

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

 

 

 


What about if you gave them an ultimatium (aka subpoena) and they refused that ultimatium -

Then after you checked you found out that the process was not gonna be easy - I guess because of those same pesky "Rules of Law".

 

Now it is not just the Executive Office, it is the Attorney General and some aides.

Do we actually have any laws that are cut and dried with no wiggle room or debate before some Judge for another view and further complexity.

 

Congressional Research Service 03/27/2019 - Congressional Subpoenas: EnforcingExecutive Branch Compl...

 

We aren't really gonna get any actual "governance" done, are we?!?!

 


Gail, I have  been posting on this issue for a long time now. I am glad that you are now noticing the lack of "mechanism" that we have in our Rule of Law in the US.

There are no clear laws that will resolve an issue that needs to be taken care without delay. and instead we have laws that makes any solution more complicated.
If the Congress issues a subpoena that should be it. you comply or you are cited in contempt and you go to jail and no more ifs but about it.

Instead, if we issue a subpoena  and they don't want to comply, we have just opened a can of worms that who knows what the ending should be.

We have failed to ensure that our laws are respected and enforced. We have failed to really defend our Democratic system. by allowing loop holes in our laws that make any action inefficient.

Hoping this is the biggest lesson that this country can learn. That if you want a Democratic system you need to be able to defend it and have the proper laws to do so.

Regarding impeachment. I see that the Democrats are also seeing that these laws don't really work as they should and are looking for the proper way of implementing them. and finding the proper solution. Impeachment
at this time is  not the way to go. Perhaps it will in the future but now now. and we all  have to stop eating each other with improper criticisms that the only thing it does is give fuel to the Trump  supporters.

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@GailL1 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

 

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

 

 

 


What about if you gave them an ultimatium (aka subpoena) and they refused that ultimatium -

Then after you checked you found out that the process was not gonna be easy - I guess because of those same pesky "Rules of Law".

 

Now it is not just the Executive Office, it is the Attorney General and some aides.

Do we actually have any laws that are cut and dried with no wiggle room or debate before some Judge for another view and further complexity.

 

Congressional Research Service 03/27/2019 - Congressional Subpoenas: EnforcingExecutive Branch Compl...

 

We aren't really gonna get any actual "governance" done, are we?!?!

 


A Impeachment Hearing & Trial expedites every single Subpoena that Trump is ignoring right now - right to the Supreme Court

 

The President NIXON had written Ervin July 6 1974 that he would not testify before the committee or make presidential documents available to it. The President wrote yesterday that he had "concluded that principles stated" in the earlier letter also applied to the request for the tapes.

 

On July 24, 1974, the United States Supreme Court ordered Nixon to surrender the White House tapes.

 

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

 

On July 24, 1974, the United States Supreme Court ordered Nixon to surrender the White House tapes.

 

He gave them but a subpoena for the Hillary emails was issued and ignored.

 

Sorta just goes to show you. Just imagine, Nixon more law abiding and honorable than Hillary.

 

Just show

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

 

On July 24, 1974, the United States Supreme Court ordered Nixon to surrender the White House tapes.

 

He gave them but a subpoena for the Hillary emails was issued and ignored.

 

Sorta just goes to show you. Just imagine, Nixon more law abiding and honorable than Hillary.

 

Just show

 


 


Read The Mueller Report

 

Read the Mueller Letter to Barr

 

Trump knows Pelosi cares more about Pork for Incumbents to bring back to their districts - then she cares about Right & Wrong - Legal or Illegal - The Constitution or the Rule of Law

 

Pelosi is willing to give Trump the Criminal a Get out of Jail Card just to increase her chances of beating him at the Ballot Box

 

We have a Constitution for a Reason to prevent US Kings - to prevent Crooks & Corruptness in the Whitehouse

 

Pelosi refuses to do her Job

 

So they beat Trump in 2020 - He goes Free when he should be in Jail

 

They allowed Nixon to go Free and we got Trump

 

Send a Message - Do your Jobs - Remove the Liars and Grifters from the Presidency

 

 

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

 


Read The Mueller Report

 

Read the Mueller Letter to Barr

 

Trump knows Pelosi cares more about Pork for Incumbents to bring back to their districts - then she cares about Right & Wrong - Legal or Illegal - The Constitution or the Rule of Law

 

Pelosi is willing to give Trump the Criminal a Get out of Jail Card just to increase her chances of beating him at the Ballot Box

 

We have a Constitution for a Reason to prevent US Kings - to prevent Crooks & Corruptness in the Whitehouse

 

Pelosi refuses to do her Job

 

So they beat Trump in 2020 - He goes Free when he should be in Jail

 

They allowed Nixon to go Free and we got Trump

 

Send a Message - Do your Jobs - Remove the Liars and Grifters from the Presidency

 

I doubt the report or the letter contains anything about Nixon or Pelosi's spending

 

 


 

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Trump is the gift which keeps on giving for the Democrats. His base is rabid but not motivated.  If they impeached him, it would motivate them. The Senate would never convict him but impeaching him might satisfy the Democratic base and now they are so motivated it is scary (for the Republicans). 

 

There is no upside to impeaching Trump. 

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@Richva wrote:

Trump is the gift which keeps on giving for the Democrats. His base is rabid but not motivated.  If they impeached him, it would motivate them. The Senate would never convict him but impeaching him might satisfy the Democratic base and now they are so motivated it is scary (for the Republicans). 

 

There is no upside to impeaching Trump. 


Do you have any substantiation for your "rabid but not motivated" claim - or is it just more "made up stuff? 

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@mickstuder wrote:

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 

 

 

 


Explain to us in detail how Trump will be removed from office if impeachment is not done by the Senate, and how would you get the Senate to vote yes on this quickly?

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@john258 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 


Explain to us in detail how Trump will be removed from office if impeachment is not done by the Senate, and how would you get the Senate to vote yes on this quickly?


Great expression of the problem. Just to expand on how this all must happen - the House must first IMPEACH the ToadPOTUS and then he's TRIED in the Senate with the Chief Justice of SCOTUS presiding over the "trial". Only if the Senate votes a 2/3's majority to CONVICT will the ToadPOTUS be removed from office. Yertle McConnell will NEVER allow the Senate to Convict such a great vote getter as donny tRump.

 

Which means WE must expurgate the lying trator in the 2020 election, along with his co-conspirators in the House and Senate aka the Republican Caucus.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 


Explain to us in detail how Trump will be removed from office if impeachment is not done by the Senate, and how would you get the Senate to vote yes on this quickly?


Great expression of the problem. Just to expand on how this all must happen - the House must first IMPEACH the ToadPOTUS and then he's TRIED in the Senate with the Chief Justice of SCOTUS presiding over the "trial". Only if the Senate votes a 2/3's majority to CONVICT will the ToadPOTUS be removed from office. Yertle McConnell will NEVER allow the Senate to Convict such a great vote getter as donny tRump.

 

Which means WE must expurgate the lying trator in the 2020 election, along with his co-conspirators in the House and Senate aka the Republican Caucus.


There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?

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rk9152:   There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?

 

 

Everyone should agree that it's unpatriotic to get help from Russia in order to win an election. And there is plenty of substantiation that Trump got their help.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?

 

 

Everyone should agree that it's unpatriotic to get help from Russia in order to win an election. And there is plenty of substantiation that Trump got their help.


How can getting help be traitorous? Soliciting - like Bill Clinton and the Chinese money - possibly.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?

 

 

Everyone should agree that it's unpatriotic to get help from Russia in order to win an election. And there is plenty of substantiation that Trump got their help.


How can getting help be traitorous? Soliciting - like Bill Clinton and the Chinese money - possibly.


 

I can't believe this post. so. if  Clinton does something not appropriate, does it make it right for Trump to do so?  Really, who  is the post  kidding?. two wrongs never make a right. so. we don't need crooks, and immoral men in charge of this country. and it doesn't matter what party they belong to.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?

 

 

Everyone should agree that it's unpatriotic to get help from Russia in order to win an election. And there is plenty of substantiation that Trump got their help.


How can getting help be traitorous? Soliciting - like Bill Clinton and the Chinese money - possibly.


 

I can't believe this post. so. if  Clinton does something not appropriate, does it make it right for Trump to do so?  Really, who  is the post  kidding?. two wrongs never make a right. so. we don't need crooks, and immoral men in charge of this country. and it doesn't matter what party they belong to.


Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

 

Plus, we can assume Clinton knew he was getting money from his Chinese friends. On the other hand, when the Obama Administration got a hint of Russian involvement in the elections, they didn't mention it to the Trump campaign - instead they manipulated it to get partisan spying going.

Can you believe that. so. no one has shown specific involvement by trump nor any effect on the election's outcome. so. what is your point?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Can you believe that. so. no one has shown specific involvement by trump nor any effect on the election's outcome. so. what is your point?


My point is  the recognition of morality, Morality apparently has been attacked by a section of this population and no is too scared to come back and stand in the face of immorality. But again, being moral, having moral values is apparently a lost cause in many. and they now refuse to remember what morality used to be and   what it used  look like.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Can you believe that. so. no one has shown specific involvement by trump nor any effect on the election's outcome. so. what is your point?


My point is  the recognition of morality, Morality apparently has been attacked by a section of this population and no is too scared to come back and stand in the face of immorality. But again, being moral, having moral values is apparently a lost cause in many. and they now refuse to remember what morality used to be and   what it used  look like.


"Morality"?? Let me say it gain - no one has shown specific involvement by trump nor any effect on the election's outcome. so. what is your point?

 

Are you concerned about the porn star. Think of Slick Willy and even JFK if that what you are trying to relate to "Russian collusion".

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@rk9152 wrote:


There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?


I would have thought just being placed in power by a foreign government would be enough to show he was a traitor. 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:


There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?


I would have thought just being placed in power by a foreign government would be enough to show he was a traitor. 


One cannot be considered a "traitor" due to the imagined acts of others. 

 

And, as always, no one has offered any evidence as to your wild claim.

 

So, your "traitor" and your client's "trator" are both inaccurate.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:


There is no substantiation of the President being a "trator" or even a traitor - so why do you spout such untruths?


I would have thought just being placed in power by a foreign government would be enough to show he was a traitor. 


Although there is a lot of truth in your post, we all need to really see the objectivity of what the actions should be.

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@john258 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 

 

 

 


Explain to us in detail how Trump will be removed from office if impeachment is not done by the Senate, and how would you get the Senate to vote yes on this quickly?


Explain to me how Holding Multiple Committee Hearings in the House where Trump refuses to produce Documents or Witnesses is anything more than a Exercise in Career Politicians listening to themselves speak on TV?

 

1. Anything you can accomplish in a Committee Hearing is twice as effective in a Impeachment Hearing - including getting the Supreme Court to Rule Immediately on Trumps Refusal to produce Supoenaed Documents like the Complete Mueller Report - his taxes & Witnesses like Trump Jr who have never testified under oath - instead of waiting for the normal court court process which allows Trump to simply run out the clock until the Election

 

2. Impeachments Hearings in the House and a Impeachment Trial in the Senate does two thngs - it keeps the facts coming - it keeps the existing public facts in front of the public and if done skillfully produces all the evidence to address all the unanswered questions and again if done skillfully will produce still not available evidence into the public realm and it starts the Clock on any future FOIA requests

 

It also requires every single member of Congress to go on the Record and Address the Evidence in a Public Vote right before a National Federal Election where this time - Republicans in the Senate have the most vulnerability

 

3. It would require the Democrats to faithfully execute the oath of office they took and take carry out their Oversight Responsibility Mandated by the Constitution 

 

Look if Trump is innocent of all charges he should be exonerated

 

If Trump us Guilty of any Charges he should be held Accountable

 

Simply holding a Election already scheduled in the hopes the American People do the right thing is not the System of Justice demonstrated in the Constitution or Envisioned by the Founders

 

What are you afraid of?

 

Democrats aren't up to the Job?

 

OR

 

Trump is Innocent of all Charges - either way - it's the American Way

 

 

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

Pelosi said today that Trump is obstructing Congress & Justice on a Daily Basis

 

Yet in the next breathe she says Impeachment is off the table

 

If I told my children Punishment for bad behavior was - "off the table" - there would have been even more Chaos then there already was

 

Voting Trump Out of Office Gives Him a Pass on all the Crimes he's committed

 

Makes No Sense in a Country where these same Elected Officials claim we are a Nation built on the Rule of Law & the President isnt a ove the law but they are giving him a pass

 

 

 

 


Explain to us in detail how Trump will be removed from office if impeachment is not done by the Senate, and how would you get the Senate to vote yes on this quickly?


Explain to me how Holding Multiple Committee Hearings in the House where Trump refuses to produce Documents or Witnesses is anything more than a Exercise in Career Politicians listening to themselves speak on TV?

 

1. Anything you can accomplish in a Committee Hearing is twice as effective in a Impeachment Hearing - including getting the Supreme Court to Rule Immediately on Trumps Refusal to produce Supoenaed Documents like the Complete Mueller Report - his taxes & Witnesses like Trump Jr who have never testified under oath - instead of waiting for the normal court court process which allows Trump to simply run out the clock until the Election

 

2. Impeachments Hearings in the House and a Impeachment Trial in the Senate does two thngs - it keeps the facts coming - it keeps the existing public facts in front of the public and if done skillfully produces all the evidence to address all the unanswered questions and again if done skillfully will produce still not available evidence into the public realm and it starts the Clock on any future FOIA requests

 

It also requires every single member of Congress to go on the Record and Address the Evidence in a Public Vote right before a National Federal Election where this time - Republicans in the Senate have the most vulnerability

 

3. It would require the Democrats to faithfully execute the oath of office they took and take carry out their Oversight Responsibility Mandated by the Constitution 

 

Look if Trump is innocent of all charges he should be exonerated

 

If Trump us Guilty of any Charges he should be held Accountable

 

Simply holding a Election already scheduled in the hopes the American People do the right thing is not the System of Justice demonstrated in the Constitution or Envisioned by the Founders

 

What are you afraid of?

 

Democrats aren't up to the Job?

 

OR

 

Trump is Innocent of all Charges - either way - it's the American Way

 

 

 

 


The Reb. control the Senate and will not vote to impeach him as he controls them. The American people sadly per polls do not favor it right now. The present path might change that, what you wish will not. So you give us Trump, and it might be for 6 more years or for life as he is a Dictator. What I am afraid of is Trump for 6 more years because of people moving like you are. You give us Trump, and become one of his biggest supporters and do not even know it.

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