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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Before responding with irrrelevant comments, RK should read what was written by NH.

 

 

"Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent" ...


Since rk does not speak for anyone else, he will just let NH clarify his meaning. For example, does he consider the police department a "government program" for purposes of this discussion.

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Before responding with irrrelevant comments, RK should read what was written by NH.

 

 

"Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent" ...

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

NH made what was possibly the most absurd comment of this thread. 

"Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs"

 

Incredible! I don't know where to start but we have to start somewhere. So let's examine how many aspects of our lives are better and safe because of government programs.

  • Trump voters wouldn't be here without the U.S. Military
  • Interstate Highway System
  • Public Schools
  • Law Enforcement
  • Public Libraries
  • NASA
  • Court System
  • Laws
  • Prisons
  • the FDA ex. Polio and Flu Vaccines
  • Mass Transit
  • etc.

 


Have you seen anyone object to the government performing those functions? Well, maybe the "etc." one - that's where the left can go bonkers. They are sorta like the Mueller mandate - "Russian collusion and........whatever".

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

This thread is absurd. Trump Lovers are arguing about the constitution, which has very little to do with government programs. They developed over time because there was a need private industry couldn't handle or it was done in a horrible manner by the private sector.

 

The irony is the Trump voters who talk about government programs couldn't function without them. Yet they try to imply that government programs somehow reflect a weakness on the part of those who benefit from them. Trump supporters are the pathetic ones pretending to somehow be superior to those who benefit from them. What a joke!

 

Trump minions utilized their flawed logic to turn this thread into irrelevant, illogical trash, just as they always do.


If we could get away from the silliness of "Trump lovers" and honestly accept the fact that no one is calling for an end to the government and all it does (that belongs to anarchists) we could understand that the issue is really the proper relationship between the government and the governed. And then there is the side issue of the people who want and feel entitled to the property of others.


It seems to me that you are accusing members of this message board to be anarchists. I am afraid that is  a dangerous way to name whomever you are referring.
Yes, many do want to see this Administration end but we want to see it end,using the tools of our democracy which are elections.
So please stop that accusation which is extremely dangerous to many.  I will report your post.  for inciting or falsely accusing members of an illegal action.


It seems to me that you are making something up and then trying to start a fight over your imagined offense.

 

Please stop trying to start trouble.

 

Feel free to report whatever you think needs reporting.

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NH made what was possibly the most absurd comment of this thread. 

"Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs"

 

Incredible! I don't know where to start but we have to start somewhere. So let's examine how many aspects of our lives are better because of government programs.

  • Trump voters wouldn't be here without the U.S. Military
  • Interstate Highway System
  • Public Schools
  • Law Enforcement
  • Public Libraries
  • NASA
  • Court System
  • Laws
  • Prisons
  • the FDA ex. Polio and Flu Vaccines
  • Mass Transit
  • etc.

 

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Great. then cancelling the program to pay off the farmers for Trump's tariffs will save us billons.  Glad you agree he should never have done that. 


Socialism, or maybe more like communism?


“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”. . . FDR
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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote: 

The irony is the Trump voters who talk about government programs couldn't function without them.


Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs UNLIKE the Obama/Hillary cult!


For this nonsense claim to be true, Trump voters would have to live like Ted Kaczynski (minus the trips to town to blow stuff up) or to have relocated to Bin Laden's cave in Tora Bora.

The previous sentence is just that - nonsense.

 

But Republicans always limit their definition of "Government Programs" to those which benefit the 99%,

Trump's tax cuts benefit all those who are paying income taxes (at least 53%) since 47% don't pay any taxes before the tax cut.

never the ones that permit the 1% to pay no tax on "defefrred income"

When that "deferred income" is actually received, you pay tax on it!

and a pitance on dividends

Dividends have a preferred income tax (lower incomes pay zero) for all people - even YOU.

or to write off their second homes, depreciate their NFL Players, or earn billions and yet pay not a dime of Corporate tax

You cannot declare a loss every year. Do some checking. Losses plus gains equals net income.

. In 2015, the 1% enjoyed $47.9Billion in tax exempt interest, $371.6Billion in Capital Gains and $4.3Billion in foreign income exemptions.

 That 1% paid 40% of ALL income taxes! Do some checking.

The Oligarchs may not NEED things like SS, but they TAKE IT, and they drive on our roads,

Paid for by motor fuel taxes. They pay also when they buy fuel.

their private airports are using our air traffic control system,

Take off and landing fees pay for the air traffic control system. If they have aircraft, they pay.

and when their persons or property are violated, they use our justice system.

And pay dearly for that use!

 

The Uberrich have been taking out much more than they ever put in to our economy

They contribute more than you and I.

- that is why the wealth of the 99% keeps SHRINKING

So you are jealous of that 1%. I get it. You hate them. I get it. They are paying MORE than their fair share. Why don't you pay more?

while the total amount of the Nation's wealth grows - it's being redistributed to the 1%.

Because they EARN it. If you want to be in that 1%, you have to move yourself and stop complaining.

 

If the Republicans have another explanation for WHY the economy keeps growing but the bottom 99% see their income stagnant and their wealth decreasing, let's hear it.

Everyone (but you) is doing better now that Obama is gone.


 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote: 

The irony is the Trump voters who talk about government programs couldn't function without them.


Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs UNLIKE the Obama/Hillary cult!


For this nonsense claim to be true, Trump voters would have to live like Ted Kaczynski (minus the trips to town to blow stuff up) or to have relocated to Bin Laden's cave in Tora Bora.

 

But Republicans always limit their definition of "Government Programs" to those which benefit the 99%, never the ones that permit the 1% to pay no tax on "defefrred income" and a pitance on dividends or to write off their second homes, depreciate their NFL Players, or earn billions and yet pay not a dime of Corporate tax. In 2015, the 1% enjoyed $47.9Billion in tax exempt interest, $371.6Billion in Capital Gains and $4.3Billion in foreign income exemptions.

 

The Oligarchs may not NEED things like SS, but they TAKE IT, and they drive on our roads, their private airports are using our air traffic control system, and when their persons or property are violated, they use our justice system.

 

The Uberrich have been taking out much more than they ever put in to our economy - that is why the wealth of the 99% keeps SHRINKING while the total amount of the Nation's wealth grows - it's being redistributed to the 1%.

 

If the Republicans have another explanation for WHY the economy keeps growing but the bottom 99% see their income stagnant and their wealth decreasing, let's hear it.

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@CriticalThinking wrote: 

The irony is the Trump voters who talk about government programs couldn't function without them.


Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs UNLIKE the Obama/Hillary cult!


Great. then cancelling the program to pay off the farmers for Trump's tariffs will save us billons.  Glad you agree he should never have done that. 

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The irony is the Trump voters who talk about government programs couldn't function without them.


Most "Trump voters" that I know don't need any government programs, are very independent, could afford to do without Social Security, and don't take part in ANY welfare programs UNLIKE the Obama/Hillary cult!

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