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@rker321 wrote:

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The Nixon issue involved a few guys breaking into Dem HQs. The current issue is about using the resources of the DOJ and the intel community to use the FISA system to spy on the opposition using Dem purchased material.

 

How can anyone try to compare the two?


Jim  if you actually believe the above post, I am afraid that you will be mistaken. in a lot of things, I would caution you about the post and I would really advice to try to research and then make your own decisions. 
The FISA issue  has nothing to do with the Russian Investigation. and that is probably the most important issue for all of us. Remember  it is time to think as an American  and not as a member of a political party.


Are you really telling jim what his topic is about?

 

O.K. let's think about this as Americans. As an American what is your view of the use of the FBI and the intel community for partisan purposes?

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@Epster wrote:

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The opening paragraph says it all. Poor Nixon would have been fine if that pesky media and the Democrats would have butted out. The rest of it is just a collection of out of control wingnuttery not worth anyone's time unless they live in the conservative bubble.


Right: if you don't already think it, don't listen to it, for those ideas and perspectives that are not already yours are crazy **bleep** horse pucky. 

 

Aye yi yi. No wonder we are where we are, letting the talking heads and string pullers think for us.

 

 

Extremly  correct statement,  Some have allowed to have Fox news think for them and are incapable of listening or hearing anyone else.

It reminds me or a soldier in a parade that looked at  the other soldiers, and said. Oh!!!! they are all marching with the wrong step. 

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

The Nixon issue involved a few guys breaking into Dem HQs. The current issue is about using the resources of the DOJ and the intel community to use the FISA system to spy on the opposition using Dem purchased material.

 

How can anyone try to compare the two?


Jim  if you actually believe the above post, I am afraid that you will be mistaken. in a lot of things, I would caution you about the post and I would really advice to try to research and then make your own decisions. 
The FISA issue  has nothing to do with the Russian Investigation. and that is probably the most important issue for all of us. Remember  it is time to think as an American  and not as a member of a political party.

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@nctarheel wrote:

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BY:    VICTOR DAVIS HANSON


Victor Davis Hanson, once again you have a writer with connections to THE WASHINGTON TIMES, the mouthpiece of THE UNIFICATION CHURCH, better known as THE MOONIE CULT. 


Once again, a spurious source used.


You have to love when  the lefties demand facts, then when they are presented they discredit the news source.


Does that mean you are defending THE WASHINGTON TIMES (which spawned Hanson) as a legitimate news source?

 

Does that mean you are defending SUN MYUNG MOON as the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST?

 

Does that mean you are defending MOON'S filing of false tax returns?

 

Does that mean you are defending THE MOONIE CULT'S use of BRAINWASHING and MIND CONTROL so that followers dedicate themselves totally to THE CULT while neglecting their FAMILY, SCHOOL, AND CAREER?

 

There are several here that can ONLY find their "FACTS" in fringe media outlets such as LIFEZETTE, THE DAILY MAIL, THE DAILY CALLER, BRIETBART, THE WASHINGTON TIMES, SARA CARTER, THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, THE SUN, and, of course, WORLDNETDAILY.

 

It seems that you are clearly coming to their defense.

 

Just remember, if you are coming to defense of a spurious media outlet then you are also coming to the defense of what makes the outlet spurious.

 

 


Sounds like you are O.K. with a corrupt DOJ misusing the FISA process for partisan purposes because of your religious bias. Is that correct?

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Epster wrote:

 

Aye yi yi. No wonder we are where we are, letting the talking heads and string pullers think for us.

 


And that is exactly what wing nuts are doing with the FISA issue.  The information on it's own either justifies a FISA warrant or it doesn't, regardless of where the information comes from. It's really that simple. Yet wing nuts want to say that the Left got the information so a warrant should not be served. Aye yi yi.


Sounds like you are approving of a corrupt DOJ misusing the FISA process for partisan purposes. Is that correct?

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HOW CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN TARGETED JAMES COMEY

News of the News: The Russia investigation put the FBI in a bind well before Trump ever landed in the White House

 

 

Former CIA director John Brennan is having trouble keeping his Trump-Russia stories straight. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked MSNBC’s new national security analyst about George Papadopoulos, a volunteer adviser to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, and his reputed ties to Russia.

 

The question should have been a simple one to answer, for anyone who has been following the twists and turns of the Russiagate narrative. For over a year, press reports had proclaimed that the FBI’s July 2016 investigation into the Trump campaign’s Russia connections had originated with a dossier compiled by an impeccable British intelligence source who alleged that Russia had compromising material on the Republican candidate. Further, the document alleges that Trump aides had committed serious crimes in coordination with Russian officials. But the so-called Steele dossier, named for the former British spy Christopher Steele, who allegedly authored it, proved to be opposition research that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee paid the Washington, D.C. strategic communications firm Fusion GPS millions of dollars to produce and distribute to the press.

 

Just as the dossier’s credibility began to wane—none of the allegations regarding Trump have been verified—a New York Times articlefrom Dec. 30, 2017 corrected the record to show that the FBI’s inquiry into the Trump team’s possible ties to Russia in fact had nothing to do with the Steele dossier, or Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, as the paper had been reporting for the past year. No, it began after a meeting between Papadopoulos and the Australian ambassador to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, in a London bar, back in May 2016. At that meeting, Papadopoulos, who, according to the Times, was in contact with Russian figures who were apparently connected to official Russian channels, told Downer that he had inside information the Russians were about to release thousands of emails damaging to Hillary Clinton. After the hacked DNC emails appeared in June and July, according to the Times, the Australians decided to pass on news of Papadopoulos’s boasts to their “American counterparts.”

 

Todd asked Brennan if the intelligence on Papadopoulos came “through the C.I.A. via the Five Eyes thing,” referring to the intelligence-sharing relationship between the five English-speaking powers, the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand. Brennan’s response, though, went off-script.

 

He wasn’t “going to get into details about how it was acquired,” he explained. “But the F.B.I. has a very close relationship with its British counterparts. And so the F.B.I. had visibility into a number of things that were going on involving some individuals who may have had some affiliation with the Trump campaign.”

 

British counterparts? The Times report, based on interviews with former and current U.S. and foreign officials, had claimed that the Australians passed on the tip. Did the Times get that part of its story wrong? Perhaps Downer, Australia’s former foreign minister, had told British police who passed it to the FBI. Or maybe Brennan misspoke, or misremembered.

 

What seems more likely is that the former CIA director told the truth. Informed sources in Washington have been whispering for months that Britain’s intelligence service, the Government Communications Headquarters, the U.K.’s version of America’s National Security Agency, was intercepting the emails and phone calls of Trump officials. “It’s not impossible,” a former high-ranking U.S. intelligence officer told me, “that the information came from the Brits. Under certain circumstances, we can search their database, and they can search ours. Our intelligence-sharing relationship with the U.K. is much closer than it is with anyone else, by far the closest we have. But something like that wouldn’t be routine in our relationship.”

 

Luke Harding of the Guardian, apparently one of the few journalists with access to Steele, first reported April 13 that the GCHQ had played a central part in uncovering Trump’s possible ties to Russia, and forwarding the information they had directly on to John Brennan. The next day CNN published a similar report.

 

Citing U.S. and U.K. intelligence sources, Harding wrote, “GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016.” According to one account, reported Harding, “GCHQ’s then-head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at ‘director level.’ After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.”

 

Brennan has himself previously taken credit for initiating the inquiry. While on Meet the Press, Brennan suggested that the British sent their intelligence on to the FBI, in his May testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, he indicated it came from him directly.

 

“I was aware,” Brennan said in May, “of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the Russians, either in a witting or unwitting fashion, and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion—cooperation occurred.”

 

Brennan continued: “I wanted to make sure that every information and bit of intelligence that we had was shared with the bureau [FBI] so that they could take it. It was well beyond my mandate as director of CIA to follow on any of those leads that involved U.S. persons. But I made sure that anything that was involving U.S. persons, including anything involving the individuals involved in the Trump campaign, was shared with the bureau.”

 

In other words, the FBI investigation didn’t start when the Australians, according to the Times—or the Brits, according to Brennan’s most recent version of the story—contacted the FBI after the Papadopoulos-Downer meeting. No, it started when the director of the CIA decided to start an investigation, when Brennan passed on information and intelligence to the FBI, and signaled that the bureau better act on it.

 

READ MUCH MORE:  http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/255020/how-cia-director-john-brennan-targeted-jame...

 

 

 

 

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The RW thinks facts are whatever they believe before they hear it.

 

The think that because they hated the smartest kid in the class when they were in school they must now elect the dumbest kid on the ballot.

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@fangoh45 wrote:

@nctarheel wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

BY:    VICTOR DAVIS HANSON


Victor Davis Hanson, once again you have a writer with connections to THE WASHINGTON TIMES, the mouthpiece of THE UNIFICATION CHURCH, better known as THE MOONIE CULT. 


Once again, a spurious source used.


You have to love when  the lefties demand facts, then when they are presented they discredit the news source.


Does that mean you are defending THE WASHINGTON TIMES (which spawned Hanson) as a legitimate news source?

 

Does that mean you are defending SUN MYUNG MOON as the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST?

 

Does that mean you are defending MOON'S filing of false tax returns?

 

Does that mean you are defending THE MOONIE CULT'S use of BRAINWASHING and MIND CONTROL so that followers dedicate themselves totally to THE CULT while neglecting their FAMILY, SCHOOL, AND CAREER?

 

There are several here that can ONLY find their "FACTS" in fringe media outlets such as LIFEZETTE, THE DAILY MAIL, THE DAILY CALLER, BRIETBART, THE WASHINGTON TIMES, SARA CARTER, THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, THE SUN, and, of course, WORLDNETDAILY.

 

It seems that you are clearly coming to their defense.

 

Just remember, if you are coming to defense of a spurious media outlet then you are also coming to the defense of what makes the outlet spurious.

 

 

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@Epster wrote:

 

Aye yi yi. No wonder we are where we are, letting the talking heads and string pullers think for us.

 


And that is exactly what wing nuts are doing with the FISA issue.  The information on it's own either justifies a FISA warrant or it doesn't, regardless of where the information comes from. It's really that simple. Yet wing nuts want to say that the Left got the information so a warrant should not be served. Aye yi yi.


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The Trump Family Traitors are scarier than Watergate because Watergate was the worst Cnostitutional Crisis since the Civil War BUT Nixon was only guilty of obstruction of justice while Lemontop and his family and his advisors and his administration are all guilty of Conspiring with the Russian Government to subvert the 2016 elections AND the Republican Party has become so power mad they continue to support POTUS the Worm while when confronted with the unconrtavertable evidence against Nixon the old GOP agreed Nixon must go.

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