Why Donald Trump Cannot Bring Back the Coal Industry

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

 

"There are signs China is taking steps to squeeze North Korea and its erratic leader, Kim Jong-un. Chinese authorities have ordered trading companies to return North Korean coal shipments and banned all imports in late February.

 

"To bridge the gap, China started importing coal from the US, the first time in two years, a move that is likely to be viewed favourably in Washington."


The Chinese do know how to play Trump, eh?  Import a few tons of coal because the longer you can keep Trump from being impeached, the more of the world you can influence. 

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You weren't worried about Obama being insulted, why be so concerned about Trump being insulted? If Trump doesn't want insulted he shouldn't make stupid claims, like allowing coal companies to dump sludge into our waterways will create jobs in the coal industry.

Can you point to any specific instances of people going off topic to insult Obama that I did not comment on? If not, it sorta sounds like "look over there".

I don't know what you mean by "If Trump doesn't want insulted...." but I know it has nothing to do with the post you are theoretically responding to. What is that "cats"?

 

Demand creates jobs and the demand for coal is decreasing ......... the "free market" you rave about so much caused the jobs loss in the coal industry. It will continue.

Absolutely correct - coal will go the route of the buggy whip. Your point? It is the Obama caused job losses that Trump tried to bring back.

 

About the "free market" I supposedly rave about - do you have an alternative?? Possibly you could offer you insights on either the Progressive Movement topic or the Acme Widget topic.


 


You brought up people insulting Trump. I pointed out that (in the past, not in this topic) you never complained about the many insults thrown at Obama. I said nothing about "going off topic".

 

Because you complained about Trump being insulted I pointed out that if he doesn't want insulted he shouldn't do stupid things and make stupid promises like ....... Making an EO allowing coal companies to dump sludge into our waterways and promising to bring back coal jobs that he can't.

 

So what are "the Obama caused job losses"?  (there actually are none, they were cause by demand dropping for coal) What has Trump done to try to bring those jobs back? (absolutely nothing)

 

Go in circles all you want, it's not conducive to the "adult discussion" you talk of so much.

 

 


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@ChasKy53 wrote:


You weren't worried about Obama being insulted, why be so concerned about Trump being insulted? If Trump doesn't want insulted he shouldn't make stupid claims, like allowing coal companies to dump sludge into our waterways will create jobs in the coal industry.

Can you point to any specific instances of people going off topic to insult Obama that I did not comment on? If not, it sorta sounds like "look over there".

I don't know what you mean by "If Trump doesn't want insulted...." but I know it has nothing to do with the post you are theoretically responding to. What is that "cats"?

 

Demand creates jobs and the demand for coal is decreasing ......... the "free market" you rave about so much caused the jobs loss in the coal industry. It will continue.

Absolutely correct - coal will go the route of the buggy whip. Your point? It is the Obama caused job losses that Trump tried to bring back.

 

About the "free market" I supposedly rave about - do you have an alternative?? Possibly you could offer you insights on either the Progressive Movement topic or the Acme Widget topic.


 

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This tidbit on the Guardian's site might be pertinent to the discussion:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/japanese-warships-join-us-fleet-north-korea

 

"There are signs China is taking steps to squeeze North Korea and its erratic leader, Kim Jong-un. Chinese authorities have ordered trading companies to return North Korean coal shipments and banned all imports in late February.

 

"To bridge the gap, China started importing coal from the US, the first time in two years, a move that is likely to be viewed favourably in Washington."

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rk9152; as far as renewable energy, especially from wind and solar, technology has already arrived at the point where it is becoming a major source of energy in many places. Proof is that employment in the renewable energy sector is increasing at a rapid pace while employment in the fossil fuels industry is stagnant or declining. 

 

What I am seeing right now is counter to what this country has done throughout its history, embracing new developments and technology. The Republican party is instead of embracing the new field of renewable energy, the GOP is clinging to the antiquated energy systems of the past in fossil fuels and especially coal which has been dying a slow death for a long time. 

 

That is because the money from entrenched interests in the fossil fuel business fears the rise of renewable energy sources because they cannot buy and sell the wind and the sunshine. Renewable energy will be the energy source for the 21st century just as oil was for the 20th century and coal for the 19th century. Today's solar panels are far more efficient and effective than the old solar panels of the 1970s. Even nuclear energy is much safer now than it was back in the 1970s. 

 

Too many politicians are in the pockets of wealthy donors from the fossil fuel industry, especially in the Republican party that they want to strangle the renewable energy development before it gets a strong hold. But no one can stop progress or turn back the tide. And the tide has already turned as far as renewable energy replacing fossil fuels. 

 

Sure, we will have to depend on gasoline to power our cars, trucks and buses. But eventually it will be cheaper electricity generated through renewable energy sources that will drive our cars, trucks and buses. 

 

I also believe that in many American cities, they will become more like European cities in the future with cheaper, more efficient mass transit and more people using bicycles than automobiles. Already I can see that happening here in Cleveland Ohio, a strong auto city. There are bike lanes on most major streets and I see more people riding bicycles to work, especially in the nicer weather. But even during our winters, more people are riding bicycles. 

 

I have a daughter who lives in Chicago and she has a car. But she mainly uses her car on the weekends when she drives to the suburbs or out of town. During the week, she relies on public transportation to get back and forth from her job and around the city. 

 

Many young adults who are becoming urban dwellers are eschewing automobiles entirely and not owning a car at all. Most cities are very conducive to living an auto free lifestyle. In cities like Cleveland, New York and Chicago, you could even take public transportation to the airport and fly anywhere in the world. 

 

The future is not with fossil fuels. Sure fossil fuels will be necessary in the near future, but I wouldn't be investing in oil companies right now unless they are getting on board with renewable energy. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Der Trumper's infantile need for instant gratification will keep him from ever doing anything of lasting benefit while at the same time insuring everything he does will produce lasting harm to the Nation.

 

Possibly the greatest damage already done was his proving to the World the United States cannot be trusted whenever Republicans are in control of our Government. I'd suggest this is going to make it VERY difficult for him to negotiate ANY improved treaties with our trading partners - they are not going to believe anything he says will be the "agreed policy of the USA" longer than it takes him to compose his next tweet.


Does any of that have anything to do with coal being phased out when technology makes it feasible?

 

Everything isn't about insulting our President.


You weren't worried about Obama being insulted, why be so concerned about Trump being insulted? If Trump doesn't want insulted he shouldn't make stupid claims, like allowing coal companies to dump sludge into our waterways will create jobs in the coal industry.

 

Demand creates jobs and the demand for coal is decreasing ......... the "free market" you rave about so much caused the jobs loss in the coal industry. It will continue.


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@rk9152 wrote:

Does any of that have anything to do with coal being phased out when technology makes it feasible?

 

Everything isn't about insulting our President.


Well, after we have provided all the economic and technical studies showing that coal is a dead industry  there is, pretty much, little to do except make fun of Trump's incompetence. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Der Trumper's infantile need for instant gratification will keep him from ever doing anything of lasting benefit while at the same time insuring everything he does will produce lasting harm to the Nation.

 

Possibly the greatest damage already done was his proving to the World the United States cannot be trusted whenever Republicans are in control of our Government. I'd suggest this is going to make it VERY difficult for him to negotiate ANY improved treaties with our trading partners - they are not going to believe anything he says will be the "agreed policy of the USA" longer than it takes him to compose his next tweet.


Does any of that have anything to do with coal being phased out when technology makes it feasible?

 

Everything isn't about insulting our President.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Technology and the free market made coal obsolete 30 years ago when the fail-safe fast breeder reactor at the Argonne labs Idaho test facility shut itself down (and was later restarted)  with no damage after all the cooling systems were turned off. That happened the same day Chernobyl blew up so nobody in the news covered it, and then BigCarbon was able to scare the wits out of the uninformed American public, closing down the safest and surest technology for supplying our electricity - nuclear.

 

Beyond that, coal kills 13,000 Americans every year (Nuclear, ZERO), but the cost of those deaths cannot be accuratily defined, so for Republicans, those unnamed dead and all the additional deaths Der Trumper's environmental policies are creating are of no consequence.

 

Only a GOPer can call the desire to stop killing our fellow Americans and our Planet "political".


The objections to nuclear did not come from Republicans nor Conservatives and certainly not from the mysterious person called "Der Trumper" or those "GOPers".

 

Wanna take a wild guess as to who was opposing it on Long Island in the '70s? Hint, they then went to the "ban the bomb" demonstrations.

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http://flatheadbeacon.com/2017/04/11/group-designates-middle-fork-flathead-river-among-endangered-u-...

Group Designates Middle Fork Flathead River Among Most Endangered in U.S.
Oil trains along wild and scenic corridor adjacent to Glacier National Park present environmental threat

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For more than a century, freight trains have rumbled up and over the Continental Divide at Marias Pass, tracking along Glacier National Park’s southern boundary and rolling through the meandering Middle Fork Flathead River corridor.

Until recently, however, the chief environmental concerns centered on grain car derailments, which on occasion led to grizzly bear fatalities — the bruins reportedly feasted on the fermented corn and fell asleep in a torpor on the tracks.

But with the oil boom in North Dakota and eastern Montana, the consequences of train car derailments have grown far graver, leading to a grim designation for the Middle Fork Flathead River, a pristine watershed listed under the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act for environmental safeguards.


On April 11, the Middle Fork was named among the nation’s most endangered waterways due to the catastrophic threats presented by trains carrying combustible oil, which conservation groups and local stakeholders warn could lead to severe spills and explosions.

The Washington, D.C.-based environmental group American Rivers said the designation shines a spotlight on the threat that oil train derailments pose to the river’s water quality, the corridor’s suite of fish and wildlife species, and the nationally significant Wild and Scenic values.

“The America’s Most Endangered Rivers report is a call to action to save rivers that face a critical decision in the next year,” Kascie Herron, Northern Rockies Conservation Associate for American Rivers, said. “As we prepare to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act in 2018, we must insist that federal protections for designated rivers are upheld. It’s time to re-commit ourselves to safeguarding our last, best rivers, and we must start at the birthplace of Wild and Scenic Rivers, the Middle Fork Flathead.”

The Middle Fork Flathead River originates in the Bob Marshall Wilderness and flows 98 miles to its confluence with the North Fork Flathead River near Columbia Falls, where the idea for the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act was born.
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