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Lk- thank you for your intelligent,  honest, and unbiased look at the situation of the coal miners in this country.   Although many posters have  said the same, this  succinct explanation, I believe, says it best.

 Really sad to think that these people will become so distrustful that they won't vote again,  because this opens the door the door to more slime like Trump,  but you are probably correct. 

 After such a fiasco, one would think that every living American would register to vote, making sure he or she got to the polls to vote Democrat in special off year and four year elections. 

Let's hope that you are incorrect with regard to the voting and that some of these coal miners will recall the correct statement from Mrs. Clinton which was, "the coal miners will lose their jobs and we need to see that they are retrieved so they can feed their families."  Trump and friends did them a big service when they twisted the truth with regard to Mrs. Clinton statement didn't they?

 

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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Follow the money in regards to Scott Pruitt and one will find that it leads directly to Big Oil and the Koch Brothers. Scott Pruitt is so deep in the pockets of those special interests that he probably cannot see the sky. 

 

As far as those coal miners, once they lose their jobs they will blame the loss of their jobs on environmental regulations rather than the true reason which is changing economic conditions and new sources of energy. It was posted that the new jobs created in solar energy since 2010 is more than the total of all coal mine jobs in the United States. 

 

The future is in renewable energy sources like wind and solar energy. That is where the new jobs are being created. It is long past the time for politicians to stop pandering to the past and embrace the future. Instead of offering a real solution which is government funded retraining programs for those laid off coal miners; the Trump administration is feeding them a false hope that they would be going back to work in the coal mines. 

 

Unfortunately when reality hits and those unemployed coal miners realize that Donald Trump just sold them a bunch of snake oil, they will become even more disillusioned and cynical toward our government than before. That would make it much more difficult for those people in coal country to believe any politician running for office or holding office that is offering a solution, even a real and viable solution. 

 

Scott Pruitt, Donald Trump and the cast of clowns in the Trump administration are doing no favors in coal country. Instead they undermining further people's faith in our government being able to do anything to help the people of this country. 

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OMG--How cruel! Those poor people believe him. They are blind on so many counts

--coal is no longer a viable entity

--coal and  its residue cause great harm to the environment 

--Pruitt is a liar and denier who is sucking them into his web of 

deceit and delusion

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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An example of the populist theater.

 

"Scott Pruitt, the climate-change denier charged by President Trump with making the Environmental Protection Agency less protective of the environment, traveled to Pennsylvania last week to kick off E.P.A.’s “back to basics” agenda and tell a group of worried coal miners that the Obama administration’s “war on coal” was over and that he and Mr. Trump would lead a revival of the industry."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/opinion/wrong-message-wrong-coal-mine.html

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ChasKy53:  No one here has been able to show anything that Trump has done (or will do) that will bring jobs back in the coal industry.

 

 

The writing is on the wall.

 

 

In 2016, more solar power was brought online in the US than any other source of electricity. The industry installed 14,762 megawatts, more than any previous year and more than double the record set in 2015. Total installed capacity is expected to triple in the next five years.

 

And consider this: In 2016 alone, the US solar industry created more new jobs (51,000) than there are coal miners still working in the US (50,200). There are now 260,000 solar workers in the US — five times the number of coal miners.

 

Trump may see political advantage in pandering to the dwindling coal industry (and lying to its workers for populist theater). But even in the heart of coal country, even in Benham, Kentucky, people are beginning to understand that coal belongs in a museum and solar belongs on the roof.

 

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/4/10/15234330/trump-coal-museum

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

No circles, just trying to focus on the topic without off topic, gratuitous insults at our President.

 

 


 


Trump will be insulted repeatedly, get used to it.


Of course he will. That is the "out" for those unable to deal with the issues in a more adult fashion. Not you, of course, but some.

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No one here has been able to show what Obama did that caused any jobs loss in the coal industry.

 

No one here has been able to show anything that Trump has done (or will do) that will bring jobs back in the coal industry.

 

That's because Obama did nothing to cause jobs loss in the coal industry and Trump has done nothing to bring jobs back in the coal industry. Pretty simple.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@rk9152 wrote:

 

No circles, just trying to focus on the topic without off topic, gratuitous insults at our President.

 

 


 


Trump will be insulted repeatedly, get used to it.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

 

  They just can't seem to let go of 19th Century energy  and willfulling ignore 21st Century technology.    

 


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Not necessarily the Republicans driving this but the laws of supply and demand.  Not everyone in the northern states are as fortunate to have cheap natural gas and fuel oil, along with more and more solar power.  Without doubt enough parts of the country still burn a lot of coal for heat, etc.

 

 


Be fair, Tx - it is obliviously only Republicans staying warm in the Winter and driving their cars to Walmart for their food. Those good Democrats are freezing their butts off and peddling their three-wheelers to their garden plot out in the woods.

 

They are such good people.

 

Only Republicans believe in supply and demand. Those good Democrats believe in "Whatever our Dear Leader says".

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@afisher wrote:

   Republicans are funny.    They just can't seem to let go of 19th Century energy  and willfulling ignore 21st Century technology.      Surely they know that Oil and Gas are getting huge financial subsidies.    Surely they know that  Musk have revolutionized the process of storing energy captured by solar energy, so the argument re:   but what about at night has been settled.   

 

     I am mostly amused that the newest information that was put forth today, is the China is dissing North Korea and buying US coal - and have displayed zero knowledge about how much coal was part of the hand slap ( in tonnage) or how much that coal would actually mean in terms of energy. 

 

      Information regarding the number of jobs in the dying Industry of  Coal continues to remain in the single digits.    In fact it is the only Industry mentions in the jobs data that is in the single digits

      Information about the Western State coal has been discussed, because it is land-locked and there is are so many obstacled for getting more of it to Ports for export.  

 

       People can spin their nonsense all day long,  none of the talking points will revive this industry any better than Donalds rhetoric.   


Democrats are funny. They think that technological changes make new tools available to us because their hero signs an EO. And - they think that energy subsidies are a Republican only thing, they really are funny.

 

They are so anxious to bad-mouth the President that they obsess over tonnage of coal rather than the diplomatic meaning. No - I can't laugh at that one. That is sad.

 

And it goes beyond sad with the words, "Information regarding the number of jobs in the dying Industry of  Coal continues to remain in the single digits". "Single digits"!!!!

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