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   Late to this nonsense, but less our learned denialist forget, that much of the information about Climate Change is based on experimental modeling via computers.   

   Or are the ignoblers now going to say that any computerized modeling is junk science...because if so, why is your guy in the WH going to spend billions on a "space force".   

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With the left proposing that we ALL go back 2000 years (or more), they should definitely take the lead. It does not require taxing all the people (Democrat's solution to everything). Take the first step! This will NOT be acceptable to Democrats since all they want is the tax MONEY.


They had wind farms 200 years ago? Solar panel manufacturing plants?  I had no idea. I guess that is why the aristocracy keeps quoting historians instead of scientists. 


1887: The first known wind turbine used to produce electricity was built in Scotland. Before that, they used wind power to pump water and mill grain.

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2014/11/history-of-wind-turbines.html

They also had horse and buggy then and I assume by your post your want to regress to that point. Scientists all don't agree on climate change but leftists do. It's not that the right does not buy in to the climates changing (always did change), but the left thinks they can mitigate it by throwing money at the problem (solution for everything for the left is more of other's money).

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

With the left proposing that we ALL go back 2000 years (or more), they should definitely take the lead. It does not require taxing all the people (Democrat's solution to everything). Take the first step! This will NOT be acceptable to Democrats since all they want is the tax MONEY.


They had wind farms 200 years ago? Solar panel manufacturing plants?  I had no idea. I guess that is why the aristocracy keeps quoting historians instead of scientists. 

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I suggest that liberals take the lead since it bothers them so much. Why not show your faith by getting rid of your car/truck, get rid of your air conditioning, get rid of your heating system, go off the grid (so you don't contribute to pollution), purchase some green bikes to get around, and don't worry so much about what others are doing. With all the liberals doing their part (a real live experiment), we can all see the improvement in the climate. I'm sure in 20-30 years, you will be impressed.

That sounds like a pretty aristocratic solution.  The conservatives can keep generating greenhouse gasses and increasing the effects of man made global climate change but everybody else should live in caves in order to enable them. 


With the left proposing that we ALL go back 2000 years (or more), they should definitely take the lead. It does not require taxing all the people (Democrat's solution to everything). Take the first step! This will NOT be acceptable to Democrats since all they want is the tax MONEY.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:
I suggest that liberals take the lead since it bothers them so much. Why not show your faith by getting rid of your car/truck, get rid of your air conditioning, get rid of your heating system, go off the grid (so you don't contribute to pollution), purchase some green bikes to get around, and don't worry so much about what others are doing. With all the liberals doing their part (a real live experiment), we can all see the improvement in the climate. I'm sure in 20-30 years, you will be impressed.

That sounds like a pretty aristocratic solution.  The conservatives can keep generating greenhouse gasses and increasing the effects of man made global climate change but everybody else should live in caves in order to enable them. 

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So far from an analogy - you batted OUT! Vaccines have proven to work (most of the time). Wasting $9+ trillion dollars per year with no guess as to the outcome is both stupid and foolish to all that have to pay!


For starters, there would be less pollution.   All those in favor of pollution, raise their hands. 

 

If we can (and have) predicted what happens when you dump all those greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we can predict what will happen when we stop dumping them. In short, yes, we know what will happen. My recommendation is to stop complaining about the cost of fixing your roof and find a way to pay for it. 


Be responsible and take care of your OWN roof and not worry about passing laws that affect other's roofs. You can predict what happens but you don't know what happens, if anything! Try wasting your OWN money and not other's money!


The greed and rapacity of Republicans is amazing. They think since THEIR end of the boat is not sinking yet, no need to fix the hole in the other end.

 

It would be wonderful if only those who deny climate change and block attempts to halt it would have "leaky roofs" (be effected by Climate Change), but those self-obsessed GOPers will leave us all out in the rain.


I suggest that liberals take the lead since it bothers them so much. Why not show your faith by getting rid of your car/truck, get rid of your air conditioning, get rid of your heating system, go off the grid (so you don't contribute to pollution), purchase some green bikes to get around, and don't worry so much about what others are doing. With all the liberals doing their part (a real live experiment), we can all see the improvement in the climate. I'm sure in 20-30 years, you will be impressed.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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So far from an analogy - you batted OUT! Vaccines have proven to work (most of the time). Wasting $9+ trillion dollars per year with no guess as to the outcome is both stupid and foolish to all that have to pay!


For starters, there would be less pollution.   All those in favor of pollution, raise their hands. 

 

If we can (and have) predicted what happens when you dump all those greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we can predict what will happen when we stop dumping them. In short, yes, we know what will happen. My recommendation is to stop complaining about the cost of fixing your roof and find a way to pay for it. 


Be responsible and take care of your OWN roof and not worry about passing laws that affect other's roofs. You can predict what happens but you don't know what happens, if anything! Try wasting your OWN money and not other's money!


The greed and rapacity of Republicans is amazing. They think since THEIR end of the boat is not sinking yet, no need to fix the hole in the other end.

 

It would be wonderful if only those who deny climate change and block attempts to halt it would have "leaky roofs" (be effected by Climate Change), but those self-obsessed GOPers will leave us all out in the rain.


If you weren't selfish, you would immediately reduce your carbon dioxide output by 100%.

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:


So far from an analogy - you batted OUT! Vaccines have proven to work (most of the time). Wasting $9+ trillion dollars per year with no guess as to the outcome is both stupid and foolish to all that have to pay!


For starters, there would be less pollution.   All those in favor of pollution, raise their hands. 

 

If we can (and have) predicted what happens when you dump all those greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we can predict what will happen when we stop dumping them. In short, yes, we know what will happen. My recommendation is to stop complaining about the cost of fixing your roof and find a way to pay for it. 


Be responsible and take care of your OWN roof and not worry about passing laws that affect other's roofs. You can predict what happens but you don't know what happens, if anything! Try wasting your OWN money and not other's money!


The greed and rapacity of Republicans is amazing. They think since THEIR end of the boat is not sinking yet, no need to fix the hole in the other end.

 

It would be wonderful if only those who deny climate change and block attempts to halt it would have "leaky roofs" (be effected by Climate Change), but those self-obsessed GOPers will leave us all out in the rain.

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Once again the Regressives try and pass off someone OUTSIDE the field as an authority on climatology, one who publishes in German no less.

 

The fact climate models are run using different variables and produce the same results (e.g., that Man's greenhouse gas production causes global warming) is hardly a disproof of the models.

 

The earlier rants from the Regressives that the climate models predicted higher than observed changes have now been totally debunked. As more precise measurements prove the warming of the planet, in particular the melting of the ice caps, is proceeding MUCH more rapidly than we thought just a year ago is just one example of how the imagined "problems" with the science are themselves being disproven.

 

Nothing new with such nay-sayers, many disbelieved Galileo in the 17th century and lots of Republicans still do in the 21st Century.


 

You are wrong.  It is entirely appropriate that people outside the field of climatology, who are not exposed to peer pressure from within the community of climatologists, police the activity of climatologists.

 

Metaphorically speaking, you want the trichinosis infected pigs to keep each other from escaping the pig pen, i.e., climatologists are trichinosis infected pigs, the pig pen is the commuinity of climatologists, and the trichinosis is bad climatology dogma that resulted from bad epistemological standards.

 

People with degrees in philosophy who specialize in the philosophy of science are experts in epistemology.  And, although the publication process for philosophy also lacks the scientific method, the motives of philosophy graduates are impeccable; they are 99% intellectual curiosity without more than subsistence monetary reward.  And, their logic is impeccable.  When they are wrong, it is because of bad observations or assumptions.

 

It is my experience that philosophy professors are the lowest paid professors on campus.  The ones I knew violated university rules by serving liquor at their meetings, probably, because they had little to lose.  They were good people.

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Once again the Regressives try and pass off someone OUTSIDE the field as an authority on climatology, one who publishes in German no less.

 

The fact climate models are run using different variables and produce the same results (e.g., that Man's greenhouse gas production causes global warming) is hardly a disproof of the models.

 

The earlier rants from the Regressives that the climate models predicted higher than observed changes have now been totally debunked. As more precise measurements prove the warming of the planet, in particular the melting of the ice caps, is proceeding MUCH more rapidly than we thought just a year ago is just one example of how the imagined "problems" with the science are themselves being disproven.

 

Nothing new with such nay-sayers, many disbelieved Galileo in the 17th century and lots of Republicans still do in the 21st Century.


Now that you've nailed down the situation and the solution, about how much tax money will fix the problem? Is $9 trillion per year enough to fix the problem?


First off, the BS number of $9Trillion per year is GOPerTripe. That would mean we redirect HALF of our entire economy.

Absurd.

BUT it IS what will happen in 20 years if we DON'T stop the green house gas build-up, only then it will be paying for insurance losses, shelter for all the folks now living 20 miles from the coast and food for everyone as the ability to grow our major crops dwindles to inadequacy.

 

So the question is not WILL we pay for climate change, the question is WHEN.

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