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You are making some very good points to those who do not wish to admit what is going on in the climate, as opposed to what we can see with our own eyes is going on with climate change. Yet their best defense is to say: you fix the climate, and we’ll just do whatever we want to mess it up! Plus, the right shows no concern for future generations. Once again, that is the right’s sense of compromise, we’ll do whatever we want whether you agree or not...hardly common ground. Plus, there is no sense of teamwork, is there?

But, why should we think differently of the right, when they support a lying wanna be dictator who doesn’t give a crap about anything or anyone...except himself. He doesn’t care about the climate, does he?

 

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Trump cares about the climate but always walks away from a "bad deal". The left wants a program that will add another tax to each person costing an additional $27K per person ($9+ trillion per year to implement the new green deal) and that program doesn't guarantee any results more than Obama's Solyndra deal. Bankruptcy for the U.S. will not solve the climate change.


I would very much like to see the link to your source.  BTW, it appears Trump walks away from any deal.  He is getting quite the collection of participation trophies,

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@williamb39198 wrote:

@Richva 

You are making some very good points to those who do not wish to admit what is going on in the climate, as opposed to what we can see with our own eyes is going on with climate change. Yet their best defense is to say: you fix the climate, and we’ll just do whatever we want to mess it up! Plus, the right shows no concern for future generations. Once again, that is the right’s sense of compromise, we’ll do whatever we want whether you agree or not...hardly common ground. Plus, there is no sense of teamwork, is there?

But, why should we think differently of the right, when they support a lying wanna be dictator who doesn’t give a crap about anything or anyone...except himself. He doesn’t care about the climate, does he?

 

Never Forget


Trump cares about the climate but always walks away from a "bad deal". The left wants a program that will add another tax to each person costing an additional $27K per person ($9+ trillion per year to implement the new green deal) and that program doesn't guarantee any results more than Obama's Solyndra deal. Bankruptcy for the U.S. will not solve the climate change.

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@Richva 

You are making some very good points to those who do not wish to admit what is going on in the climate, as opposed to what we can see with our own eyes is going on with climate change. Yet their best defense is to say: you fix the climate, and we’ll just do whatever we want to mess it up! Plus, the right shows no concern for future generations. Once again, that is the right’s sense of compromise, we’ll do whatever we want whether you agree or not...hardly common ground. Plus, there is no sense of teamwork, is there?

But, why should we think differently of the right, when they support a lying wanna be dictator who doesn’t give a crap about anything or anyone...except himself. He doesn’t care about the climate, does he?

 

Never Forget

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There is no "null hypothesis" regarding anthropomorphic climate change. The evidence for the connection between human activity and climate change is firmly established for any who understand statistics. Those who don't, well, some are certain the earth is flat and are launching themselves in home made rockets to prove it. Can't fault them on dedication to their idea, can fault them on thinking stupid things.


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Olderscout:  Wonder if they hold the same view with astrophysics? Is the effect of time-space on the movement of planets a sham because we cannot devise an experiment that alters the movement of planets?

 

 

 

Too complicated. It would be easier to deny that gravity exists and and then step off a cliff to prove it.


Doesn't fit with the whole denier metric (still funny tho). To apply that example, we'd need to find a way that only the deniers will suffer the effect of their stupidity. Instead they're not steping off a cliff, they're pushing everyone else off the cliff.

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There is no "null hypothesis" regarding anthropomorphic climate change. The evidence for the connection between human activity and climate change is firmly established for any who understand statistics. Those who don't, well, some are certain the earth is flat and are launching themselves in home made rockets to prove it. Can't fault them on dedication to their idea, can fault them on thinking stupid things.

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   Late to this nonsense, but less our learned denialist forget, that much of the information about Climate Change is based on experimental modeling via computers.   

   Or are the ignoblers now going to say that any computerized modeling is junk science...because if so, why is your guy in the WH going to spend billions on a "space force".   


Multiple and simple regression are used for modeling climate and even weather patterns. You must know the answer first to develop the model and it must be repeatable and this is next to impossible with climate since not all the variables are even known.


Actually, they have been doing an excellent job of predicting the impacts of adding greenhouse gasses to the environment and the resulting devastation.  Any model evolves but one does not determine the load bearing capacity of a bridge by building one, driving increasingly heavier trucks over it until it collapses, and then building another one. The subject of the thread is a silly premise. 


Building a bridge involves something very different (a free body diagram) with static forces and dynamic forces whereas climate modelling involves many probably hundreds of variables. You sound like you have no idea regarding modeling.


I just know they have very good models of what has happened to the climate and are doing a good job of forecasting the coming impacts of man made climate change.  That seems to be enough for me.  I like science.  It keeps me safe, warm, and warns me when we are close to making the planet uninhabitable by humans. 

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@afisher wrote:

   Late to this nonsense, but less our learned denialist forget, that much of the information about Climate Change is based on experimental modeling via computers.   

   Or are the ignoblers now going to say that any computerized modeling is junk science...because if so, why is your guy in the WH going to spend billions on a "space force".   


Multiple and simple regression are used for modeling climate and even weather patterns. You must know the answer first to develop the model and it must be repeatable and this is next to impossible with climate since not all the variables are even known.


Actually, they have been doing an excellent job of predicting the impacts of adding greenhouse gasses to the environment and the resulting devastation.  Any model evolves but one does not determine the load bearing capacity of a bridge by building one, driving increasingly heavier trucks over it until it collapses, and then building another one. The subject of the thread is a silly premise. 


Building a bridge involves something very different (a free body diagram) with static forces and dynamic forces whereas climate modelling involves many probably hundreds of variables. You sound like you have no idea regarding modeling.

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@afisher wrote:

   Late to this nonsense, but less our learned denialist forget, that much of the information about Climate Change is based on experimental modeling via computers.   

   Or are the ignoblers now going to say that any computerized modeling is junk science...because if so, why is your guy in the WH going to spend billions on a "space force".   


Multiple and simple regression are used for modeling climate and even weather patterns. You must know the answer first to develop the model and it must be repeatable and this is next to impossible with climate since not all the variables are even known.


Actually, they have been doing an excellent job of predicting the impacts of adding greenhouse gasses to the environment and the resulting devastation.  Any model evolves but one does not determine the load bearing capacity of a bridge by building one, driving increasingly heavier trucks over it until it collapses, and then building another one. The subject of the thread is a silly premise. 

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   Late to this nonsense, but less our learned denialist forget, that much of the information about Climate Change is based on experimental modeling via computers.   

   Or are the ignoblers now going to say that any computerized modeling is junk science...because if so, why is your guy in the WH going to spend billions on a "space force".   


Multiple and simple regression are used for modeling climate and even weather patterns. You must know the answer first to develop the model and it must be repeatable and this is next to impossible with climate since not all the variables are even known.

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