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@john258 , Again, no verifiable link to support your opinion...  So It's just that, opinion... That's fine but without any verifiable corroborating source for what you are saying, it just can not be taken any other way.  

 

 


The corroborating source is the article itself. Just reading and understanding the article is all one needs.

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@john258 , Again, no verifiable link to support your opinion...  So It's just that, opinion... That's fine but without any verifiable corroborating source for what you are saying, it just can not be taken any other way.  

 

 

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@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@schlomo wrote:

What a waste of space! FACTITIOUS AND FICTITOUS DRIVEL!


Admiral Rogers:

 

This nation entrust us with an amazing set of capabilities. We are given access to data of incredible sensitivity. We must continue to safeguard that, ensure the appropriate security, and to remember the trust the nation places in us.

 

We execute our critical mission of foreign intelligence and cybersecurity at NSA within a legal framework and set of policies that we follow to the letter.

 

That is our strength. That is what generates the confidence of this nation.

That these many resources that are granted to us are being used appropriately, wisely and in the best interests of the citizens we serve.

 

It’s difficult to fully convey or appreciate Admiral Rogers’ actions. He quietly stood against a deeply embedded Intelligence apparatus and risked his reputation and career.

He also performed a delicate balancing act. His actions would be of no merit if he was not in a position to see his disclosures through.

 

Although it may take some time, it is my hope that his role will be more fully appreciated.

It’s entirely possible there would have been no FISA disclosure without the 2016 actions of Rogers.

There might have been no investigation by Inspector General Horowitz.

One other item of note. There is a direct benefit from Rogers’ retirement. His job at the NSA complete, Admiral Rogers is now free to testify…

 

For those less familiar, here’s a timeline of events transpiring at the NSA:

 

  • November 2015-April 2016 – The FBI and DOJ’s National Security Division (NSD) uses private contractors to access raw FISA information using “To” and “From” FISA-702(16) & “About” FISA-702(17) queries.
  • March 2016 – NSA Director Rogers becomes aware of improper access to raw FISA data.
  • April 2016 – Rogers orders the NSA compliance officer to run a full audit on 702 NSA compliance.
  • April 18 2016 – Rogers shuts down FBI/NSD contractor access to the FISA Search System.
  • April-September 2016 – Rogers continues his investigation.
  • September 26 2016 – DOJ’s NSD Head John Carlin files the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. The filing does not disclose the FISA Abuses. Carlin is aware of Rogers’ compliance review. The 2016 certifications are scheduled for Court approval on October 26, 2016.
  • September 27 2016 – Carlin announces he is resigning. Mary McCord will later assume his position.
  • October 15, 2016 – Carlin formally leaves the NSD.
  • Mid-October 2016 – DNI Clapper submits a recommendation to the White House that Director Rogers be removed from the NSA. Clapper’s effort fails.
  • October 20 2016 – Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer on the Section 702 NSA compliance audit and “About” query violations.
  • October 21 2016 – Rogers shuts down all “About Query” activity. Rogers reports the activity to DOJ and prepares to go before the FISA Court.
  • October 21 2016 – DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.
  • October 24 2016 – Rogers verbally informs the FISA Court of Section 702(17) violations.
  • October 26 2016 – Rogers formally informs the FISA Court of 702(17) violations in writing.
  • October 26, 2016 – The FISA Court refuses to formalize the 2016 Section 702 certifications. A complete overhaul of Section 702 processes ensues.
  • November 17 2016 (morning) – Rogers travels to meet President-Elect Trump and his Transition Team in Trump Tower. Rogers does not inform DNI James Clapper.
  • November 17 2016 (evening) – Trump Transition Team announces they are moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey.

The DOJ & FBI were fully aware that Rogers initiated a compliance review in April 2016. They were aware of the review’s relative status.

 

The DOJ & FBI were both aware of Carlin’s fraudulent September 26, 2016 submission of the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. They knew it contained material omissions.

The FBI and DOJ’s NSD were quite literally racing against Rogers’ Investigation in order to obtain a FISA Warrant on Carter Page.

 

Carlin specifically didn’t disclose his knowledge of FISA Abuse in the annual Section 702 certifications so as not to raise suspicions at the FISA Court pre-FISA Warrant.

The DOJ & FBI apply for – and receive – a Title I FISA warrant on Carter Page the same dayRogers apprises both Agencies of ongoing FISA violations.

 

Neither the DOJ or FBI inform the FISA Court of Rogers’ notification when they make their FISA Application on Page.

 

None of this would have been uncovered without the actions of Admiral Mike Rogers.

 

https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/05/a-quiet-hero-nsa-director-admiral-mike-rogers-retires/

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

 

This is a big deal.  

 

Our democracy is only as good as the people we place in very powerful positions.  

 

We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

Mike Rogers, I salute you sir, thank you for your service.

 

 


Why are you posting this again? It was not true the first time and will not be true now or ever. Only in Trump Mob fantasy land is that real. Experts proved correct again. Lets get to current items. I heard that Donald JR got spit on yesterday. Tell us all about that.


That’s funny @john258 !

 

You never post a link to support your made up information, never name your “experts” and we are suppose to believe anything you post?  

 

Sorry but that is just TOO FUNNY!

 

I think I will believe Mike Rogers over your imagination.  Take a look at his resume and let me know how yours compares.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

 

 


Well you have never been able to show the facts I post were not true since they are and neither you nor I can change them.  Adm. Rodgers had a long career in the Navy and is now retired. When one reads fully what you post the timeline part is nonsense drawn from some good dates. Rodgers as shown in the article got to close to Trump before he was President and as all people who get near Trump was hurt badly by Trump, and even Trump threw him overboard after he was sworn in. What is sad is that leadership can put out something and the enablers pick it up and all over it goes even though it is not anything close to what really did or did not happen. Trump destroyed Rodgers just as he has everyone else who gets near him. What you call funny is really very sad and helps explains why the USA is in the mess we are. Leave Rodgers alone the far right has hurt him enough as I am sure he did not know what Trump was like or he would never gotten close to him. Experts proved correct again.


Again, no verifiable link to support your opinion...  So It's just that, opinion... That's fine but without any verifiable corroborating source for what you are saying, it just can not be taken any other way.  

 

Hyperbole seems to be all you have there @john258 ...

 

 

 

Enjoy your evening and consider posting some of your research as support.


I gave you facts which neither you nor I can change, and you did not. What is hyperbole to the far right is truth to most thinking Americans. When one knows a subject they do not need support articles from someone they stand on what they know about the subject. If I can find facts others can to, and if they choose not to that is their right but stop trying to make others do their work. Here is a late breaking story on Dictator Trump. It was announced that in view of the SC ruling today Dictator Trump wants the 10 year population count postponed and more info given to the SC. The SC Term has ended so they will not be back till fall. They might not even accept the case back, but what you see here is when the Dictator get a ruling he does not like just try and bypass it, redo it, or ignore it. What will Dictator Trump end up doing on this. One thing for sure Trump proves again he is a Dictator.

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@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@schlomo wrote:

What a waste of space! FACTITIOUS AND FICTITOUS DRIVEL!


Admiral Rogers:

 

This nation entrust us with an amazing set of capabilities. We are given access to data of incredible sensitivity. We must continue to safeguard that, ensure the appropriate security, and to remember the trust the nation places in us.

 

We execute our critical mission of foreign intelligence and cybersecurity at NSA within a legal framework and set of policies that we follow to the letter.

 

That is our strength. That is what generates the confidence of this nation.

That these many resources that are granted to us are being used appropriately, wisely and in the best interests of the citizens we serve.

 

It’s difficult to fully convey or appreciate Admiral Rogers’ actions. He quietly stood against a deeply embedded Intelligence apparatus and risked his reputation and career.

He also performed a delicate balancing act. His actions would be of no merit if he was not in a position to see his disclosures through.

 

Although it may take some time, it is my hope that his role will be more fully appreciated.

It’s entirely possible there would have been no FISA disclosure without the 2016 actions of Rogers.

There might have been no investigation by Inspector General Horowitz.

One other item of note. There is a direct benefit from Rogers’ retirement. His job at the NSA complete, Admiral Rogers is now free to testify…

 

For those less familiar, here’s a timeline of events transpiring at the NSA:

 

  • November 2015-April 2016 – The FBI and DOJ’s National Security Division (NSD) uses private contractors to access raw FISA information using “To” and “From” FISA-702(16) & “About” FISA-702(17) queries.
  • March 2016 – NSA Director Rogers becomes aware of improper access to raw FISA data.
  • April 2016 – Rogers orders the NSA compliance officer to run a full audit on 702 NSA compliance.
  • April 18 2016 – Rogers shuts down FBI/NSD contractor access to the FISA Search System.
  • April-September 2016 – Rogers continues his investigation.
  • September 26 2016 – DOJ’s NSD Head John Carlin files the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. The filing does not disclose the FISA Abuses. Carlin is aware of Rogers’ compliance review. The 2016 certifications are scheduled for Court approval on October 26, 2016.
  • September 27 2016 – Carlin announces he is resigning. Mary McCord will later assume his position.
  • October 15, 2016 – Carlin formally leaves the NSD.
  • Mid-October 2016 – DNI Clapper submits a recommendation to the White House that Director Rogers be removed from the NSA. Clapper’s effort fails.
  • October 20 2016 – Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer on the Section 702 NSA compliance audit and “About” query violations.
  • October 21 2016 – Rogers shuts down all “About Query” activity. Rogers reports the activity to DOJ and prepares to go before the FISA Court.
  • October 21 2016 – DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.
  • October 24 2016 – Rogers verbally informs the FISA Court of Section 702(17) violations.
  • October 26 2016 – Rogers formally informs the FISA Court of 702(17) violations in writing.
  • October 26, 2016 – The FISA Court refuses to formalize the 2016 Section 702 certifications. A complete overhaul of Section 702 processes ensues.
  • November 17 2016 (morning) – Rogers travels to meet President-Elect Trump and his Transition Team in Trump Tower. Rogers does not inform DNI James Clapper.
  • November 17 2016 (evening) – Trump Transition Team announces they are moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey.

The DOJ & FBI were fully aware that Rogers initiated a compliance review in April 2016. They were aware of the review’s relative status.

 

The DOJ & FBI were both aware of Carlin’s fraudulent September 26, 2016 submission of the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. They knew it contained material omissions.

The FBI and DOJ’s NSD were quite literally racing against Rogers’ Investigation in order to obtain a FISA Warrant on Carter Page.

 

Carlin specifically didn’t disclose his knowledge of FISA Abuse in the annual Section 702 certifications so as not to raise suspicions at the FISA Court pre-FISA Warrant.

The DOJ & FBI apply for – and receive – a Title I FISA warrant on Carter Page the same dayRogers apprises both Agencies of ongoing FISA violations.

 

Neither the DOJ or FBI inform the FISA Court of Rogers’ notification when they make their FISA Application on Page.

 

None of this would have been uncovered without the actions of Admiral Mike Rogers.

 

https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/05/a-quiet-hero-nsa-director-admiral-mike-rogers-retires/

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

 

This is a big deal.  

 

Our democracy is only as good as the people we place in very powerful positions.  

 

We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

Mike Rogers, I salute you sir, thank you for your service.

 

 


Why are you posting this again? It was not true the first time and will not be true now or ever. Only in Trump Mob fantasy land is that real. Experts proved correct again. Lets get to current items. I heard that Donald JR got spit on yesterday. Tell us all about that.


That’s funny @john258 !

 

You never post a link to support your made up information, never name your “experts” and we are suppose to believe anything you post?  

 

Sorry but that is just TOO FUNNY!

 

I think I will believe Mike Rogers over your imagination.  Take a look at his resume and let me know how yours compares.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

 

 


Well you have never been able to show the facts I post were not true since they are and neither you nor I can change them.  Adm. Rodgers had a long career in the Navy and is now retired. When one reads fully what you post the timeline part is nonsense drawn from some good dates. Rodgers as shown in the article got to close to Trump before he was President and as all people who get near Trump was hurt badly by Trump, and even Trump threw him overboard after he was sworn in. What is sad is that leadership can put out something and the enablers pick it up and all over it goes even though it is not anything close to what really did or did not happen. Trump destroyed Rodgers just as he has everyone else who gets near him. What you call funny is really very sad and helps explains why the USA is in the mess we are. Leave Rodgers alone the far right has hurt him enough as I am sure he did not know what Trump was like or he would never gotten close to him. Experts proved correct again.


Again, no verifiable link to support your opinion...  So It's just that, opinion... That's fine but without any verifiable corroborating source for what you are saying, it just can not be taken any other way.  

 

Hyperbole seems to be all you have there @john258 ...

 

 

 

Enjoy your evening and consider posting some of your research as support.

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@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@schlomo wrote:

What a waste of space! FACTITIOUS AND FICTITOUS DRIVEL!


Admiral Rogers:

 

This nation entrust us with an amazing set of capabilities. We are given access to data of incredible sensitivity. We must continue to safeguard that, ensure the appropriate security, and to remember the trust the nation places in us.

 

We execute our critical mission of foreign intelligence and cybersecurity at NSA within a legal framework and set of policies that we follow to the letter.

 

That is our strength. That is what generates the confidence of this nation.

That these many resources that are granted to us are being used appropriately, wisely and in the best interests of the citizens we serve.

 

It’s difficult to fully convey or appreciate Admiral Rogers’ actions. He quietly stood against a deeply embedded Intelligence apparatus and risked his reputation and career.

He also performed a delicate balancing act. His actions would be of no merit if he was not in a position to see his disclosures through.

 

Although it may take some time, it is my hope that his role will be more fully appreciated.

It’s entirely possible there would have been no FISA disclosure without the 2016 actions of Rogers.

There might have been no investigation by Inspector General Horowitz.

One other item of note. There is a direct benefit from Rogers’ retirement. His job at the NSA complete, Admiral Rogers is now free to testify…

 

For those less familiar, here’s a timeline of events transpiring at the NSA:

 

  • November 2015-April 2016 – The FBI and DOJ’s National Security Division (NSD) uses private contractors to access raw FISA information using “To” and “From” FISA-702(16) & “About” FISA-702(17) queries.
  • March 2016 – NSA Director Rogers becomes aware of improper access to raw FISA data.
  • April 2016 – Rogers orders the NSA compliance officer to run a full audit on 702 NSA compliance.
  • April 18 2016 – Rogers shuts down FBI/NSD contractor access to the FISA Search System.
  • April-September 2016 – Rogers continues his investigation.
  • September 26 2016 – DOJ’s NSD Head John Carlin files the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. The filing does not disclose the FISA Abuses. Carlin is aware of Rogers’ compliance review. The 2016 certifications are scheduled for Court approval on October 26, 2016.
  • September 27 2016 – Carlin announces he is resigning. Mary McCord will later assume his position.
  • October 15, 2016 – Carlin formally leaves the NSD.
  • Mid-October 2016 – DNI Clapper submits a recommendation to the White House that Director Rogers be removed from the NSA. Clapper’s effort fails.
  • October 20 2016 – Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer on the Section 702 NSA compliance audit and “About” query violations.
  • October 21 2016 – Rogers shuts down all “About Query” activity. Rogers reports the activity to DOJ and prepares to go before the FISA Court.
  • October 21 2016 – DOJ & FBI seek and receive a Title I FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. At this point, the FISA Court is unaware of the Section 702 violations.
  • October 24 2016 – Rogers verbally informs the FISA Court of Section 702(17) violations.
  • October 26 2016 – Rogers formally informs the FISA Court of 702(17) violations in writing.
  • October 26, 2016 – The FISA Court refuses to formalize the 2016 Section 702 certifications. A complete overhaul of Section 702 processes ensues.
  • November 17 2016 (morning) – Rogers travels to meet President-Elect Trump and his Transition Team in Trump Tower. Rogers does not inform DNI James Clapper.
  • November 17 2016 (evening) – Trump Transition Team announces they are moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey.

The DOJ & FBI were fully aware that Rogers initiated a compliance review in April 2016. They were aware of the review’s relative status.

 

The DOJ & FBI were both aware of Carlin’s fraudulent September 26, 2016 submission of the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. They knew it contained material omissions.

The FBI and DOJ’s NSD were quite literally racing against Rogers’ Investigation in order to obtain a FISA Warrant on Carter Page.

 

Carlin specifically didn’t disclose his knowledge of FISA Abuse in the annual Section 702 certifications so as not to raise suspicions at the FISA Court pre-FISA Warrant.

The DOJ & FBI apply for – and receive – a Title I FISA warrant on Carter Page the same dayRogers apprises both Agencies of ongoing FISA violations.

 

Neither the DOJ or FBI inform the FISA Court of Rogers’ notification when they make their FISA Application on Page.

 

None of this would have been uncovered without the actions of Admiral Mike Rogers.

 

https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/05/a-quiet-hero-nsa-director-admiral-mike-rogers-retires/

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

 

This is a big deal.  

 

Our democracy is only as good as the people we place in very powerful positions.  

 

We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

Mike Rogers, I salute you sir, thank you for your service.

 

 


Why are you posting this again? It was not true the first time and will not be true now or ever. Only in Trump Mob fantasy land is that real. Experts proved correct again. Lets get to current items. I heard that Donald JR got spit on yesterday. Tell us all about that.


That’s funny @john258 !

 

You never post a link to support your made up information, never name your “experts” and we are suppose to believe anything you post?  

 

Sorry but that is just TOO FUNNY!

 

I think I will believe Mike Rogers over your imagination.  Take a look at his resume and let me know how yours compares.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

 

 


Well you have never been able to show the facts I post were not true since they are and neither you nor I can change them.  Adm. Rodgers had a long career in the Navy and is now retired. When one reads fully what you post the timeline part is nonsense drawn from some good dates. Rodgers as shown in the article got to close to Trump before he was President and as all people who get near Trump was hurt badly by Trump, and even Trump threw him overboard after he was sworn in. What is sad is that leadership can put out something and the enablers pick it up and all over it goes even though it is not anything close to what really did or did not happen. Trump destroyed Rodgers just as he has everyone else who gets near him. What you call funny is really very sad and helps explains why the USA is in the mess we are. Leave Rodgers alone the far right has hurt him enough as I am sure he did not know what Trump was like or he would never gotten close to him. Experts proved correct again.

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@jimc91 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

jimc91:   We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

 

Any concrete proof of this or is it simply more hallucinatory red meat doled out by conservative misinformation factories?Smiley Happy


Sure, all you have to do is follow the time line that I included.  

 

All of that information is easy to confirm.  

 

Of course don't expect CNN or MSNBC to cover the story but the information is there and easy to verify.

 

Mike Rogers to a true patriot and he will be missed.

 

 

 

 


The time line is not accurate from beginning to end so it is not true as presented.


Like I said before...

 

That’s funny @john258 !

 

You never post a link to support your made up information, never name your “experts” and we are suppose to believe anything you post?  

 

Sorry but that is just TOO FUNNY!

 

I think I will believe Mike Rogers over your imagination.  Take a look at his resume and let me know how yours compares.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

jimc91:   We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

 

Any concrete proof of this or is it simply more hallucinatory red meat doled out by conservative misinformation factories?Smiley Happy


Sure, all you have to do is follow the time line that I included.  

 

All of that information is easy to confirm.  

 

Of course don't expect CNN or MSNBC to cover the story but the information is there and easy to verify.

 

Mike Rogers to a true patriot and he will be missed.

 

 

 

 


The time line is not accurate from beginning to end so it is not true as presented.

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jimc91:   We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

 

Any concrete proof of this or is it simply more hallucinatory red meat doled out by conservative misinformation factories?Smiley Happy


Sure, all you have to do is follow the time line that I included.  

 

All of that information is easy to confirm.  

 

Of course don't expect CNN or MSNBC to cover the story but the information is there and easy to verify.

 

Mike Rogers to a true patriot and he will be missed.

 

 

 

 

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jimc91:   We count on these people to be above reproach and trust worthy.  Mike Rogers is one of the best and without his service to our country, the corruption at the very top of our DOJ and Intel agencies would have never been discovered ,like a cancer would have completely eaten away at our democracy.

 

 

Any concrete proof of this or is it simply more hallucinatory red meat doled out by conservative misinformation factories?Smiley Happy

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