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 I posted my personal view in another thread but I will try to explain  myself.

After seeing a couple of old ladies in Ohio that were asked as to why  they supported Trump and would they vote in 2020 for him

Their answer was.  Yes, we do support him because he is doing what he said he was going to do.

Digging  further into that answer. I will say, that many support Trump because of their fear of Immigration They are afraid of a country of mixed races and not a white community. and they will support anyone that will provide them that.

The religious issues, like abortion. There are by far too many Evangelists, and extremists in this country that want to impose their religious concepts on the rest of Americans.

The Judicial system. they want Trump to put in place as many right wing judges and many Constitutionalists in the Supreme Court in order to have the types of laws that they feel are good for this country.

It is imperative for the Democratic Party to learn on how to be able to reach those people who are in effect an older generation. It is going to take my children's and my granddhildren's generation to be able to normalize any of those issue.


What shovel did you dig with to find that racist jazz?

 

Religious issue? - killing a baby should be moral, not religious.

 

Constitutionalists on the Court - sure the Constitution has done well by us so continuing adherence to it makes sense.

 

The only "reaching out" the Dems are doing is to those who want some of the other guys' stuff.

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@mickstuder wrote:

Why Are Republicans So Supportive of Trump?

 

What is the - End Game?

 

What do they think Trump is going to provide for them?

 

Is the Trump Legacy - The Trump Shtick what the Republican Party wants to Stand for in the future

 

Because History is Certainly going to grant their wish

 

Corrupt - Racist - Mafia Inspired Kelptocracy

 

 


A better question would be 'why aren't Liberals supportive of Pres Trump'?  It's all to better America and make it a stronger nation.  If America fails it will be because of the hate-filled Liberals and their constant belittling and lies about the President.  It's like they would rather see America fail, than to keep it strong with Pres Trump. 

 

Do you think those who had to put up with Obama liked him being president?  Not at all, but most still respected the 'office' of president and had to tolerate him.  Some called him out but not at all like the Alt Left does with the name-calling and calling him 'orange' which he isn't (so you're either colorblind or racist).  It's nothing but being a bully which we're suppose to teach out children not to be.

 

And then we have this 'supposed' 9,000 lies.  I've asked for someone to post a VF list of them all (since you all seem to know about them) but no one has.  Someone sent me another News' opinion on some of them.  But I read and research before believing anything.  So post all 9000 lies or a link to it (not someone else's opinion.  Just a list of them all).  Thank you

 

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."


You mean to tell us that you are not capable to see the lies? that you need verification from others to tell you what is a lie and what is not a lie? Boy are you ever in trouble.

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@rk9152 wrote:

The answer may be quite simple and two-fold.

 

First, he is the elected President and having been elected as a Republican, it is reasonable to expect support from Republicans.

 

Secondly, the Dems have turned even further left as the Marxists come out of the closet and since Marxism is anathema to the Republicans, they see him as a stop-gap to the desires of the Dems.

 

It seems a more mature logic than something about a stained diaper on a balloon.


Here is part of the Republican Platform from 2012 - it's actually Quite Typically Traditonally Republican....................................it is Diametrically Opposite of The Trump Doctrine

 

 

GOP platform 2012.png

 

 

Nothing About - Nationalism

 

Nothing About - White Supremacy

 

Nothing About - Expansion of Executive Power & Authority of the President & Capitulation by Congress to it

 

 

True - nothing about nationalism because I would think that placing the interests of the US first an foremost in international dealings would be a given for any American President or Party.

 

True - nothing about White Supremacy in the platform nor in the Administration.

 

True - nothing about the expansion of the Executive Branch in the platform nor in the actions of President Trump.


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The Trumpettes are loyal because lil donny hates and hurts the same people the Trumpettes hate and want to hurt. 

 

The GOPerLords have spent the last 34 years getting insanely rich by NOT giving workers a fair share of the profits. They tell the workers its because of Globilazation and Automation that they are the first generation to NOT get farther than their parents got, and even without those unfixable obsticals, Affirmative Action forces them to give all the raises to women and minorities

 

Now lil donny attacks our trading partners, telling his lofos it's bad deals that forced their boss to send the good jobs to Commie slaves in Asia.The lofos believe because they want to - it's lots easier than admitting they're being screwed over by their boss. Then he attacks poor people - the dread 47% who pay no taxes but live large on Government payments. Such a group does not exist, but lofos do not care, they just need someone they can push lower so they can feel like they're going up.

 

Having the Russians elect their own toadie is something most of the lofos would object to, but the same GOPerLords who they THINK are on their side tell them its all a hoax to attack lil donny who hurts the people they hate, so they defend him.

 

 

 

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   The ignoble donald supporter here may not seem to comprehend that they are the lucky ones, they have reached retirement age and are receiving subsidies that they whine that other people should not be elgible.

    These are the same folks who probably bought Reagan's lie about "welfare queens", which they revive any time a Dem wants a government program, like ACA.     I rememger people here who were posting grocery bills paid for with SNAP and yes some of those bloggers are still here.

    So fast forward to today, when SNAP funding is being reduced:

 

     Reminder 62% of donalds voters are white male. 

      African Americans make up 13% of the US population ( 325 M).   

      Current Admin is going to cut SNAP to 39M people who the WH et al has decided are Able Bodied Adults without children (ABAWD)

       Donald conveniently leaves out of his rhetoric is that 55 percent of low-income ABAWDs are male, and 48 percent are white.   

       Will these ABAWD complain, when all of a sudden their "benefits" disappear?   

       The ignoble donald supporters here will more than likely not be affected, so we will never hear of the problem from them, much like they will be dead when Climate Change affects water and food in the US, so denial is easy (and stupid).   

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Why Are Republicans So Supportive of Trump?

 

Sometimes old men won't admit they're going the wrong way, they just keep driving.

 

However 

 

Now we have Goggle, so lets Goggle that phrase.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201609/the-psychology-behind-donald-trum...

 

The Psychology Behind Donald Trump's Unwavering Support

 

 

Research explains why Donald Trump maintains support despite shocking behavior.

 

There’s no doubt that Donald Trump has said many things that would have been political suicidefor any other Republican candidate. And almost every time he made one of these shocking statements, political analysts on both the left and the right predicted that he’d lose supporters because of it. But as we have clearly seen over the past year, they were dead wrong every time. Trump appears to be almost totally bulletproof.  

 

The only thing that might be more perplexing than the psychology of Donald Trump is the psychology of his supporters. In their eyes, The Donald can do no wrong. Even Trump himself seems to be astonished by this phenomenon. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

 

Senator John McCain, who has been a regular target for Trump during his campaign, has a simple explanation for his unwavering support. “What he did was he fired up the crazies.”

 

While the former Republican presidential nominee may be on to something, he doesn’t exactly provide a very satisfying scientific explanation.  So how exactly are Trump loyalists psychologically or neurologically different from everyone else? What is going on in their brains that makes them so blindly devoted?

 

1. The Dunning-Kruger Effect

 

Some believe that many of those who support Donald Trump do so because of ignorance — basically they are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

 

 

The seemingly obvious solution would be to try to reach those people through political ads, expert opinions, and logical arguments that educate with facts. Except none of those things seem to be swaying any Trump supporters from his side, despite great efforts to deliver this information to them directly.

 

 

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed. This creates a double burden.

 

 

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.

 

 

And if one is under the illusion that they have sufficient or even superior knowledge, then they have no reason to defer to anyone else’s judgment. This helps explain why even nonpartisan experts — like military generals and Independent former Mayor of New York/billionaire CEO Michael Bloomberg — as well as some respected Republican politicians, don’t seem to be able to say anything that can change the minds of loyal Trump followers.

 

 

Out of immense frustration, some of us may feel the urge to shake a Trump supporter and say, “Hey! Don’t you realize that he’s an idiot?!” No. They don’t. That may be hard to fathom, but that’s the nature of the Dunning-Kruger effect — one’s ignorance is completely invisible to them.

 

 

2. Hypersensitivity to Threat

 

 

Science has unequivocally shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening. A 2008 study in the journal Science found that conservatives have a stronger physiological reaction to startling noises and graphic images compared to liberals. A brain-imaging study published in Current Biology revealed that those who lean right politically tend to have a larger amygdala — a structure that is electrically active during states of fear and anxiety. And a 2014 fMRI study found that it is possible to predict whether someone is a liberal or conservative simply by looking at their brain activity while they view threatening or disgusting images, such as mutilated bodies. Specifically, the brains of self-identified conservatives generated more activity overall in response to the disturbing images.

 

 

So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.   

 

 

3. Terror Management Theory

 

 

A well-supported theory from social psychology, called Terror ManagementTheory, explains why Trump’s fear mongering is doubly effective.

 

 

The theory is based on the fact that humans have a unique awareness of their own mortality. The inevitably of one’s death creates existential terror and anxiety that is always residing below the surface. In order to manage this terror, humans adopt cultural worldviews — like religions, political ideologies, and national identities — that act as a buffer by instilling life with meaning and value.

 

 

Terror Management Theory predicts that when people are reminded of their own mortality, which happens with fear mongering, they will more strongly defend those who share their worldviews and national or ethnic identity, and act out more aggressively towards those who do not. Hundreds of studies have confirmed this hypothesis, and some have specifically shown that triggering thoughts of death tends to shift people towards the right.

 

Not only do death reminders increase nationalism, they influence actual voting habits in favor of more conservative presidential candidates. And more disturbingly, in a study with American students, scientists found that making mortality salient increased support for extreme military interventions by American forces that could kill thousands of civilians overseas. Interestingly, the effect was present only in conservatives, which can likely be attributed to their heightened fear response.

 

 

By constantly emphasizing existential threat, Trump creates a psychological condition that makes the brain respond positively rather than negatively to bigoted statements and divisive rhetoric. Liberals and Independents who have been puzzled over why Trump hasn’t lost supporters after such highly offensive comments need look no further than Terror Management Theory.

 

 

According to a recent study that monitored brain activity while participants watched 40 minutes of political ads and debate clips from the presidential candidates, Donald Trump is unique in his ability to keep the brain engaged. While Hillary Clinton could only hold attention for so long, Trump kept both attention and emotional arousal high throughout the viewing session. This pattern of activity was seen even when Trump made remarks that individuals didn’t necessarily agree with. His showmanship and simple messages clearly resonate at a visceral level.  

 

 

Essentially, the loyalty of Trump supporters may in part be explained by America’s addiction with entertainment and reality TV. To some, it doesn’t matter what Trump actually says because he’s so amusing to watch. With Donald, you are always left wondering what outrageous thing he is going to say or do next. He keeps us on the edge of our seat, and for that reason, some Trump supporters will forgive anything he says. They are happy as long as they are kept entertained.  

 

 

Of course these explanations do not apply to all Trump supporters. In fact, some are likely intelligent people who know better, but are supporting Trump to be rebellious or to introduce chaos into the system. They may have such distaste for the establishment and Hillary Clinton that their vote for Trump is a symbolic middle finger directed at Washington.

 

 

So what can we do to potentially change the minds of Trump loyalists before voting day in November? As a cognitive neuroscientist, it grieves me to say that there may be nothing we can do. The overwhelming majority of these people may be beyond reach, at least in the short term. The best we can do is to motivate everyone else to get out to the booths and check the box that doesn’t belong to a narcissistic nationalist who has the potential to damage the nation beyond repair. 

 

 

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So to sum up

 

    

1.       Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.

 

2.       Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety.

             

3.        They will more strongly defend those who share their worldviews

            and national ethnic identity, and act out more aggressively

            towards those that do not. 

                                          

4.        America’s addiction with entertainment and reality TV.

 

 

Now lets factor in Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, and psychological profiles, use what we know about the traits of one group or another, and then build media platforms to exploit those traits.

 

Quote from the article.

 

 

So what can we do to potentially change the minds of Trump loyalists before voting day in November? As a cognitive neuroscientist, it grieves me to say that there may be nothing we can do. The overwhelming majority of these people may be beyond reach

 

 

 

 

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Why Are Republicans So Supportive of Trump?

 

What is the - End Game?

 

What do they think Trump is going to provide for them?

 

Is the Trump Legacy - The Trump Shtick what the Republican Party wants to Stand for in the future

 

Because History is Certainly going to grant their wish

 

Corrupt - Racist - Mafia Inspired Kelptocracy

 

 


A better question would be 'why aren't Liberals supportive of Pres Trump'?  It's all to better America and make it a stronger nation.  If America fails it will be because of the hate-filled Liberals and their constant belittling and lies about the President.  It's like they would rather see America fail, than to keep it strong with Pres Trump. 

 

Do you think those who had to put up with Obama liked him being president?  Not at all, but most still respected the 'office' of president and had to tolerate him.  Some called him out but not at all like the Alt Left does with the name-calling and calling him 'orange' which he isn't (so you're either colorblind or racist).  It's nothing but being a bully which we're suppose to teach out children not to be.

 

And then we have this 'supposed' 9,000 lies.  I've asked for someone to post a VF list of them all (since you all seem to know about them) but no one has.  Someone sent me another News' opinion on some of them.  But I read and research before believing anything.  So post all 9000 lies or a link to it (not someone else's opinion.  Just a list of them all).  Thank you

 

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."

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 I posted my personal view in another thread but I will try to explain  myself.

After seeing a couple of old ladies in Ohio that were asked as to why  they supported Trump and would they vote in 2020 for him

Their answer was.  Yes, we do support him because he is doing what he said he was going to do.

Digging  further into that answer. I will say, that many support Trump because of their fear of Immigration They are afraid of a country of mixed races and not a white community. and they will support anyone that will provide them that.

The religious issues, like abortion. There are by far too many Evangelists, and extremists in this country that want to impose their religious concepts on the rest of Americans.

The Judicial system. they want Trump to put in place as many right wing judges and many Constitutionalists in the Supreme Court in order to have the types of laws that they feel are good for this country.

It is imperative for the Democratic Party to learn on how to be able to reach those people who are in effect an older generation. It is going to take my children's and my granddhildren's generation to be able to normalize any of those issue.

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The answer may be quite simple and two-fold.

 

First, he is the elected President and having been elected as a Republican, it is reasonable to expect support from Republicans.

 

Secondly, the Dems have turned even further left as the Marxists come out of the closet and since Marxism is anathema to the Republicans, they see him as a stop-gap to the desires of the Dems.

 

It seems a more mature logic than something about a stained diaper on a balloon.


Here is part of the Republican Platform from 2012 - it's actually Quite Typically Traditonally Republican....................................it is Diametrically Opposite of The Trump Doctrine

 

 

GOP platform 2012.png

 

 

Nothing About - Nationalism

 

Nothing About - White Supremacy

 

Nothing About - Expansion of Executive Power & Authority of the President & Capitulation by Congress to it

 

 

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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The answer may be quite simple and two-fold.

 

First, he is the elected President and having been elected as a Republican, it is reasonable to expect support from Republicans.

 

Secondly, the Dems have turned even further left as the Marxists come out of the closet and since Marxism is anathema to the Republicans, they see him as a stop-gap to the desires of the Dems.

 

It seems a more mature logic than something about a stained diaper on a balloon.

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