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@rker321 wrote:

I have already said it. before, TRUMP, now my decission is somewhat different from the beginning.

He may be whatever anyone has called him but there is one thing that no one can deny. He does tells it as it is, and the most thing in his favor is the fact that he will not bow to special interests and special interests will not expect anything from him.
With a Republican Senate and a Republican House, he will be the only one that will scream bloody murder if they become the obstructionists that they have been all these years. So, in my mind he probably will be the only one that can harness the Republican Party.

Both Hillary and Bernie will have to be very good at exercising their veto power, because unless something changes, that is the only thing that they will be able to do. I agree that Kasich is probably the best candidate of them all, but unfortunately he doesn't have the money, and money rules in our political process.


IMHO, any of the R's will fill out their admin with neocons like W did.

 

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From the discussion here, no Democrat is voting for anyone, but they are voting AGAINST Republicans.  That means that a Democratic nominee needs no particular political philosophy as long as they are a Democrat.

 

Its a sad affair when no one appears to be for anything but they are against.


I am voting for Labor, Equal justice under the law, and economic equality. That means I am a Democrat. I will vote Bernie first, Hillary 2nd. I still think their may be a dark horse candidate for the Dems, and if its who i think it is, I'll go with them.  Im not against Republicans, Im against their POLICIES., and yes some Dems are also "pro corporate" , but overall, i have been a straight ticket voter since 96.

 

And yes I will get bashed from the righties about the ol "free stuff" argument. The people that make this argument have no cue what economic equality means.

 

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THE MAIN REASON FOR VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT FOR PRESIDENT IS THAT THEY ARE NOT A REPUBLICAN.

IF THAT WINNING DEMOCRAT DOES NOTHING MORE THAN STOP A REPUBLICAN FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT, THAT PERSON WILL HAVE SAVED OUR COUNTRY FROM UTTER DESTRUCTION!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From your list of how the world will come to an end with a Republican President ,this is the only one that makes sense in a liberal`s mind. The rest is not factual. Bernie`s plan for tax increases will affect everyone and not just 1% of the rich. Doubling the national debt will bankrupt the country.

 


Americans have been falling for and accepting this kind of argument for - far too long - it assumes we as Citiizens have - No Power - that we must accept mediocrity and whatever procedural advantages that might luckily fall into our laps by default 

 

Cries about Doubling the National Debt fail to acknowledge that Large Corporations like GE pay no income tax and should - that huge Mega-Business Interests like Trump Inc and Bank of America and Citicorp are allowed to escape Corporate Malefeasance and Intentionally creating scenarios where they can claim bankruptcy or are to big too let fail and leave the rest of us holding the bag and paying off their debt

 

Why is it unfathonable to so many that we have to accept the status quo - that we have to make the choice that the dangers of Rocking the Boat are to great

 

Thankfully I live in a area of the Country where I am surrounded by Literal reminders of the Courage and Sacrifice required to secure a voice for the people and how great a life all Americans can have when we can find the Right Leadership and fight for their rise to Power

 

Hillary Clinton is not someone who comes to mind as a American Patriot or someone who has demonstrated a willingness to dump the safety and security of Establishment Politics and Finance to fight for the under class

 

Bernie Sanders by the simple Fact that he has had the Courage to call himself a Socialist in era where speaking truth to power usually equates to being shoveled into a corner to toil in the obscure shadows created by the Political Dynasties in Washington - thanks to the Independent Minded Voters of Vermont who have refused to buy into the Republican/Democratic Only Hyperbole - Sanders has not only - existed - but Thrived

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I have already said it. before, TRUMP, now my decission is somewhat different from the beginning.

He may be whatever anyone has called him but there is one thing that no one can deny. He does tells it as it is, and the most thing in his favor is the fact that he will not bow to special interests and special interests will not expect anything from him.
With a Republican Senate and a Republican House, he will be the only one that will scream bloody murder if they become the obstructionists that they have been all these years. So, in my mind he probably will be the only one that can harness the Republican Party.

Both Hillary and Bernie will have to be very good at exercising their veto power, because unless something changes, that is the only thing that they will be able to do. I agree that Kasich is probably the best candidate of them all, but unfortunately he doesn't have the money, and money rules in our political process.

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Mick, right off the top of my head she sponsored legislation funding New York's recovery efforts after 9/11 and for healthcare funding for the first responders. She was also a sponsor of the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. All of these were signed into law.

 

The CHIP program was no minor accomplishment, and it did become law. It's incredible to me that you dismiss her role in the Iran nuclear deal, not to mention that she was influential in convincing Obama to do the raid that captured bin Laden. (Biden opposed it.)

 

No, world peace is not a plan. Neither is solving world hunger. Part of my problem with Sanders is that his ideas (which most of us agree with) aren't fleshed out. His support for them seems more symbolic than serious. I'm also concerned that the bills he's introduced during his 25 years in Congress have been symbolic, with the vast majority of them dying in committee. I'm not interested in bills that have a 1 percent chance of passing.

 

 


Sanders Bills - Symbolic - ask Veterans like myself and John McCain if any bill meant to strengthen benfits for Veterans in a Country where the Majority of Americans think having a Day off from work in celebration of Veterans Day ought to be enough of a effort in honoring the countries Veterans

 

This is the Real Symbolism of this discussion - sponsoring 3 bills naming roads

 

As a Senator, Clinton sponsored three bills that became law: S.3145, S.3613, and S.1241.

 

The first of these renamed a highway in New York state, the second renamed a post office in New York City, and the third established the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in Troy, New York and authorized funding to set the site up.

 

As far as your claim of Sanders desire to introduce Legislation as President having no chance of becoming law - 9 Months ago - the same kinds of things were being said by the same kinds of people about -  any chance of a Sanders for President Campaign gaining traction and now thankfully Clinton is spending a majority of her time money and effort scrambling to try and prevent Sanders from becoming the Democratic nominee -

 

The Naysayers said the same thing about Elizabeth Warrens chances of beating Scott Brown and of becomng a force within the Senate championing the rights of the Middle Class - Working Poor - against the Washington Establishment both the Incumbent Republicans & Democrats

 

The problem with Policy Wonks - they are mostly all theorists - unable or unwilling to understand that - sitting around in meetings with a bunch of other like-minded beaurecrats discussing the merits of this theory or that rarely produces and results -

 

The US Congress and the Republicans Presidential Candidates on a Debate Stage are perfect examples of Policy Wonks

 

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are examples of people who refuse to accept the status quo and understand that sometimes - Revolutions in Conventional Thinking are necessary and that all Policies can be created and changed on the Fly and in most cases with much better outcomes then a scenario where people simply sit around and discuss the merits for decades but never take even the first step in putting anything substanitive in motion

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From the discussion here, no Democrat is voting for anyone, but they are voting AGAINST Republicans.  That means that a Democratic nominee needs no particular political philosophy as long as they are a Democrat.

 

Its a sad affair when no one appears to be for anything but they are against.

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In answer to the question that this topic poses ............. the logo below should answer the question, but since the primary is not over yet, I must add that I will vote for a Democrat.

 

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@myexper wrote:

I answered a similar question about six months ago with basically the same response below .....

 

 

I will vote for whoever the Democratic Party nominates.

 

WHY?

Because it is in my best interests and in the best interests of most all non wealthy Americans, especially senior citizens.

 

- The Republican budget will eliminate traditional Medicare. I want Medicare. I do not want the minimalistic Republican vouchers.

 


I agree with what I quote of yours and much or most of the rest of your posting. I also do not want a Republican in the White house because there very well may be the need for more Supreme Court Justice appointments over the next nine years and I do not want any more extreme Right Wing Justices on the Bench of the Supreme Court.


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@cat2015 wrote:

Careful, mick. Sanders is very, very vulnerable on his tenure as chairman of the Senate Veteran Affairs Committee. More liberal veterans' groups like the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America think Sanders dragged his heels on their complaints about the VA, and that he's exaggerating his record.

 


Will you at least admit that Hillary has many things that she will be attacked for from the Right, maybe even more so that Bernie? Both will be violently objected to by the Right and both will have to endure unending attacks.


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Don't give up! Empower yourself. At the very least, try to expose the corruption where you can. We make this country what it is, and (no offense) apathy is the worst attitude to take on the safety of future generations

HelloGary, I agree.  I think that our only chance of having the will of the people reflected in our government and political system is by everyone voting. I know that some disagree but that is exactly why I would support mandatory voting.


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