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White Supremacy Problem

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-has-a-white-supremacy-problem-dems-dont-have-an-antifa-problem

 

GOP Has a White Supremacy Problem. Dems Don’t Have an Antifa Problem.

 

These calls from the right demanding that Democrats rebuke antifa are absurd. Democrats never coddled anarchists. Republicans and race-haters, on the other hand…

 

Let’s put it bluntly: Antifa is not part of the Democratic Party, while white supremacists are part of the GOP.

 

 

To be honest I didn't know about Antifa before Charlottesville. 

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Let's be really clear here, the White Supremists are not new to the Republican Party, they ARE the Republican Party.   

 

     The conservative majority on America’s Supreme Court in 2013 invalidated two key provisions of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Rather than rallying around the need to reinstitute the VRA, Republican politicians across the country exploited the law’s absence. In the aftermath of the decennial redistricting, state legislators packed and cracked communities of color into racially gerrymandered districts that “surgically targeted” African Americans and Latinos to dilute their political clout. The egregious, explicit racism in these electoral districts  have forced the justice system to invalidate maps in North CarolinaTexasAlabama, and Virginia in the last few years alone. Weighing the fact that dozens of other have slanted their electoral maps so as to pack the majority of their populations of color into a handful of seats, it’s apparent that this strategy is systematic.


Part of the misunderstanding about this "White Supremacist" meme that is so popular among the radical left is based on having only one way of looking at things and that one way is via the prism of racism. 

 

For example, if SCOTUS interprets Constitutionally, the Constitution is not looked at by the left. They only look at the contemporary effect of the ruling. And even that vision is often based on assumed effects.


ahh yes that radical left again. I just read a mennonite sermon that basically said while violence is not their way, the antifa fights for their beliefs. the antifa isnt all radical leftists. its those who oppose white supremacy. its a lot of folks.

 


Fine  - antifa fights for it's beliefs (the end of America as we know it). The Nazis fight for their beliefs (you name them). So, can we agree they are both wrong and we are neither?


Sorry. Call me an Antifa supporter. If i was in the shape i was just 15 years ago...id be there. Ive been reading the REDNECK REVOLT page, and it interesting. they dont call themselves antifa, are mostly white, and like to show up wherever the white  supremecists are recruiting, and to act as armed protection for people the nazi's wish to attack. they will soon be outlawed tho, for one reason. they are a colorless, anti white supremecy, group for the poor and working class. the govt will not tolerate that.

 

So it begins.
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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Let's be really clear here, the White Supremists are not new to the Republican Party, they ARE the Republican Party.   

 

     The conservative majority on America’s Supreme Court in 2013 invalidated two key provisions of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Rather than rallying around the need to reinstitute the VRA, Republican politicians across the country exploited the law’s absence. In the aftermath of the decennial redistricting, state legislators packed and cracked communities of color into racially gerrymandered districts that “surgically targeted” African Americans and Latinos to dilute their political clout. The egregious, explicit racism in these electoral districts  have forced the justice system to invalidate maps in North CarolinaTexasAlabama, and Virginia in the last few years alone. Weighing the fact that dozens of other have slanted their electoral maps so as to pack the majority of their populations of color into a handful of seats, it’s apparent that this strategy is systematic.


Part of the misunderstanding about this "White Supremacist" meme that is so popular among the radical left is based on having only one way of looking at things and that one way is via the prism of racism. 

 

For example, if SCOTUS interprets Constitutionally, the Constitution is not looked at by the left. They only look at the contemporary effect of the ruling. And even that vision is often based on assumed effects.


ahh yes that radical left again. I just read a mennonite sermon that basically said while violence is not their way, the antifa fights for their beliefs. the antifa isnt all radical leftists. its those who oppose white supremacy. its a lot of folks.

 


Fine  - antifa fights for it's beliefs (the end of America as we know it). The Nazis fight for their beliefs (you name them). So, can we agree they are both wrong and we are neither?


Sorry. Call me an Antifa supporter. If i was in the shape i was just 15 years ago...id be there. Ive been reading the REDNECK REVOLT page, and it interesting. they dont call themselves antifa, are mostly white, and like to show up wherever the white  supremecists are recruiting, and to act as armed protection for people the nazi's wish to attack. they will soon be outlawed tho, for one reason. they are a colorless, anti white supremecy, group for the poor and working class. the govt will not tolerate that.

 


Two points:

1) The above must be based on a belief that law enforcement is unable or unwilling to do it's job;

2) Based on it's web site it doesn't do anything except "report" and prepare for something in the future. In other words, they have a history and a planned future, but no present.

 

Here is their view of antifa - "Antifa tactics, and the philosophy behind those tactics, is also clear. They believe that fascist and violent racist groups have to be confronted in their infancy, when they number in the dozens, lest they soon number in the thousands or even millions. The antifa's primary tactics are nonviolent — protests, online research, naming and shaming — but they also believe that violence is an appropriate response to inherently violent ideologies".

 

It appears they advocate aggressive action, not just defensive actions. In other words, deciding that certain groups have no right to exist and that they (antifa) not the law must eliminate them.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Let's be really clear here, the White Supremists are not new to the Republican Party, they ARE the Republican Party.   

 

     The conservative majority on America’s Supreme Court in 2013 invalidated two key provisions of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Rather than rallying around the need to reinstitute the VRA, Republican politicians across the country exploited the law’s absence. In the aftermath of the decennial redistricting, state legislators packed and cracked communities of color into racially gerrymandered districts that “surgically targeted” African Americans and Latinos to dilute their political clout. The egregious, explicit racism in these electoral districts  have forced the justice system to invalidate maps in North CarolinaTexasAlabama, and Virginia in the last few years alone. Weighing the fact that dozens of other have slanted their electoral maps so as to pack the majority of their populations of color into a handful of seats, it’s apparent that this strategy is systematic.


Part of the misunderstanding about this "White Supremacist" meme that is so popular among the radical left is based on having only one way of looking at things and that one way is via the prism of racism. 

 

For example, if SCOTUS interprets Constitutionally, the Constitution is not looked at by the left. They only look at the contemporary effect of the ruling. And even that vision is often based on assumed effects.


ahh yes that radical left again. I just read a mennonite sermon that basically said while violence is not their way, the antifa fights for their beliefs. the antifa isnt all radical leftists. its those who oppose white supremacy. its a lot of folks.

 


Fine  - antifa fights for it's beliefs (the end of America as we know it). The Nazis fight for their beliefs (you name them). So, can we agree they are both wrong and we are neither?


Sorry. Call me an Antifa supporter. If i was in the shape i was just 15 years ago...id be there. Ive been reading the REDNECK REVOLT page, and it interesting. they dont call themselves antifa, are mostly white, and like to show up wherever the white  supremecists are recruiting, and to act as armed protection for people the nazi's wish to attack. they will soon be outlawed tho, for one reason. they are a colorless, anti white supremecy, group for the poor and working class. the govt will not tolerate that.

 


Two points:

1) The above must be based on a belief that law enforcement is unable or unwilling to do it's job;

2) Based on it's web site it doesn't do anything except "report" and prepare for something in the future. In other words, they have a history and a planned future, but no present.

 

Here is their view of antifa - "Antifa tactics, and the philosophy behind those tactics, is also clear. They believe that fascist and violent racist groups have to be confronted in their infancy, when they number in the dozens, lest they soon number in the thousands or even millions. The antifa's primary tactics are nonviolent — protests, online research, naming and shaming — but they also believe that violence is an appropriate response to inherently violent ideologies".

 

It appears they advocate aggressive action, not just defensive actions. In other words, deciding that certain groups have no right to exist and that they (antifa) not the law must eliminate them.


in the absence of law enforcement yes. for 250 years or so the government in combination with American moneyed interests HAS been an oppressive force against the poor and working class, who far outnumber said oppresive forces. They believe racism was created by said forces to keep the working class and poor fighting each other, instead of the real oppressor. That is also documented back to the 1600's in colonial government documents. Reaction against oppression or oppressive forces is not a crime.

 

So it begins.
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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Let's be really clear here, the White Supremists are not new to the Republican Party, they ARE the Republican Party.   

 

     The conservative majority on America’s Supreme Court in 2013 invalidated two key provisions of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Rather than rallying around the need to reinstitute the VRA, Republican politicians across the country exploited the law’s absence. In the aftermath of the decennial redistricting, state legislators packed and cracked communities of color into racially gerrymandered districts that “surgically targeted” African Americans and Latinos to dilute their political clout. The egregious, explicit racism in these electoral districts  have forced the justice system to invalidate maps in North CarolinaTexasAlabama, and Virginia in the last few years alone. Weighing the fact that dozens of other have slanted their electoral maps so as to pack the majority of their populations of color into a handful of seats, it’s apparent that this strategy is systematic.


Part of the misunderstanding about this "White Supremacist" meme that is so popular among the radical left is based on having only one way of looking at things and that one way is via the prism of racism. 

 

For example, if SCOTUS interprets Constitutionally, the Constitution is not looked at by the left. They only look at the contemporary effect of the ruling. And even that vision is often based on assumed effects.


ahh yes that radical left again. I just read a mennonite sermon that basically said while violence is not their way, the antifa fights for their beliefs. the antifa isnt all radical leftists. its those who oppose white supremacy. its a lot of folks.

 


Fine  - antifa fights for it's beliefs (the end of America as we know it). The Nazis fight for their beliefs (you name them). So, can we agree they are both wrong and we are neither?


Sorry. Call me an Antifa supporter. If i was in the shape i was just 15 years ago...id be there. Ive been reading the REDNECK REVOLT page, and it interesting. they dont call themselves antifa, are mostly white, and like to show up wherever the white  supremecists are recruiting, and to act as armed protection for people the nazi's wish to attack. they will soon be outlawed tho, for one reason. they are a colorless, anti white supremecy, group for the poor and working class. the govt will not tolerate that.

 


Two points:

1) The above must be based on a belief that law enforcement is unable or unwilling to do it's job;

2) Based on it's web site it doesn't do anything except "report" and prepare for something in the future. In other words, they have a history and a planned future, but no present.

 

Here is their view of antifa - "Antifa tactics, and the philosophy behind those tactics, is also clear. They believe that fascist and violent racist groups have to be confronted in their infancy, when they number in the dozens, lest they soon number in the thousands or even millions. The antifa's primary tactics are nonviolent — protests, online research, naming and shaming — but they also believe that violence is an appropriate response to inherently violent ideologies".

 

It appears they advocate aggressive action, not just defensive actions. In other words, deciding that certain groups have no right to exist and that they (antifa) not the law must eliminate them.


in the absence of law enforcement yes. for 250 years or so the government in combination with American moneyed interests HAS been an oppressive force against the poor and working class, who far outnumber said oppresive forces. They believe racism was created by said forces to keep the working class and poor fighting each other, instead of the real oppressor. That is also documented back to the 1600's in colonial government documents. Reaction against oppression or oppressive forces is not a crime.

 


When one considers that when compared to the Colonial British, Nazis, Fascists, Marxists, Leninsts and Communists - it's obvious that the current trump/white supremacist/racist/conservative/republican movement is equally wrong - and just plain evil - making reaction against those oppressive forces downright patriotic - just like our founding fathers...

 

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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Let's be really clear here, the White Supremists are not new to the Republican Party, they ARE the Republican Party.   

 

     The conservative majority on America’s Supreme Court in 2013 invalidated two key provisions of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Rather than rallying around the need to reinstitute the VRA, Republican politicians across the country exploited the law’s absence. In the aftermath of the decennial redistricting, state legislators packed and cracked communities of color into racially gerrymandered districts that “surgically targeted” African Americans and Latinos to dilute their political clout. The egregious, explicit racism in these electoral districts  have forced the justice system to invalidate maps in North CarolinaTexasAlabama, and Virginia in the last few years alone. Weighing the fact that dozens of other have slanted their electoral maps so as to pack the majority of their populations of color into a handful of seats, it’s apparent that this strategy is systematic.


Part of the misunderstanding about this "White Supremacist" meme that is so popular among the radical left is based on having only one way of looking at things and that one way is via the prism of racism. 

 

For example, if SCOTUS interprets Constitutionally, the Constitution is not looked at by the left. They only look at the contemporary effect of the ruling. And even that vision is often based on assumed effects.


ahh yes that radical left again. I just read a mennonite sermon that basically said while violence is not their way, the antifa fights for their beliefs. the antifa isnt all radical leftists. its those who oppose white supremacy. its a lot of folks.

 


Fine  - antifa fights for it's beliefs (the end of America as we know it). The Nazis fight for their beliefs (you name them). So, can we agree they are both wrong and we are neither?


Sorry. Call me an Antifa supporter. If i was in the shape i was just 15 years ago...id be there. Ive been reading the REDNECK REVOLT page, and it interesting. they dont call themselves antifa, are mostly white, and like to show up wherever the white  supremecists are recruiting, and to act as armed protection for people the nazi's wish to attack. they will soon be outlawed tho, for one reason. they are a colorless, anti white supremecy, group for the poor and working class. the govt will not tolerate that.

 


Two points:

1) The above must be based on a belief that law enforcement is unable or unwilling to do it's job;

2) Based on it's web site it doesn't do anything except "report" and prepare for something in the future. In other words, they have a history and a planned future, but no present.

 

Here is their view of antifa - "Antifa tactics, and the philosophy behind those tactics, is also clear. They believe that fascist and violent racist groups have to be confronted in their infancy, when they number in the dozens, lest they soon number in the thousands or even millions. The antifa's primary tactics are nonviolent — protests, online research, naming and shaming — but they also believe that violence is an appropriate response to inherently violent ideologies".

 

It appears they advocate aggressive action, not just defensive actions. In other words, deciding that certain groups have no right to exist and that they (antifa) not the law must eliminate them.


in the absence of law enforcement yes. for 250 years or so the government in combination with American moneyed interests HAS been an oppressive force against the poor and working class, who far outnumber said oppresive forces. They believe racism was created by said forces to keep the working class and poor fighting each other, instead of the real oppressor. That is also documented back to the 1600's in colonial government documents. Reaction against oppression or oppressive forces is not a crime.

 


Let's focus - are the police not doing their job today to the point that we need vigilantes?

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@gruffstuff wrote:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-has-a-white-supremacy-problem-dems-dont-have-an-antifa-problem

 

GOP Has a White Supremacy Problem. Dems Don’t Have an Antifa Problem.

 

These calls from the right demanding that Democrats rebuke antifa are absurd. Democrats never coddled anarchists. Republicans and race-haters, on the other hand…

 

Let’s put it bluntly: Antifa is not part of the Democratic Party, while white supremacists are part of the GOP.

 

 

To be honest I didn't know about Antifa before Charlottesville. 

 

 


The entire concept of one Party being racist and the other not is based of faulty definitions and biases.

 

If a Kluxer pulls the "R" lever and a Black Nationalist pulls the "D" lever does  not define either Party (or both, your choice).

 

As to coddling anarchists - technically that is true since the Democratic Party has not made a public statement on their behalf. But, look at the statements of pols, the media, and our posters. And, you mentioned rebuking - has the Democratic Party done so?

 

As to who is part of what Party - that is so subjective that it really shouldn't even be offered without a mountain of proof.

 

Is antifa part of the Democratic Party - technically no. But it does seem quite obvious that they are the "shock troops" of the "Resistance".

 

As to when antifa appeared on the scene - think back to every demonstration turned riot where you saw those Guy Fawkes masks and you'll get a perspective. They were also part of the "Occupy" movement.

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rk posted..

The entire concept of one Party being racist and the other not is based of faulty definitions and biases.

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I agree. Anyone that has the ability to reason would know that. But we do have people that do not want to reason...they just want to agitate.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-has-a-white-supremacy-problem-dems-dont-have-an-antifa-problem

 

GOP Has a White Supremacy Problem. Dems Don’t Have an Antifa Problem.

 

These calls from the right demanding that Democrats rebuke antifa are absurd. Democrats never coddled anarchists. Republicans and race-haters, on the other hand…

 

Let’s put it bluntly: Antifa is not part of the Democratic Party, while white supremacists are part of the GOP.

 

 

To be honest I didn't know about Antifa before Charlottesville. 

 

 


The entire concept of one Party being racist and the other not is based of faulty definitions and biases.

 

If a Kluxer pulls the "R" lever and a Black Nationalist pulls the "D" lever does  not define either Party (or both, your choice).

 

As to coddling anarchists - technically that is true since the Democratic Party has not made a public statement on their behalf. But, look at the statements of pols, the media, and our posters. And, you mentioned rebuking - has the Democratic Party done so?

 

As to who is part of what Party - that is so subjective that it really shouldn't even be offered without a mountain of proof.

 

Is antifa part of the Democratic Party - technically no. But it does seem quite obvious that they are the "shock troops" of the "Resistance".

 

As to when antifa appeared on the scene - think back to every demonstration turned riot where you saw those Guy Fawkes masks and you'll get a perspective. They were also part of the "Occupy" movement.


Were they verifiably so?

Or is that posted "opinion" much more due to the kind of distorted perception that's a result of viewing through the warped and twisted lens of the kind of conservatism that made a crackpot like Goldwater and a crook like Nixon appear to be honest and honorable - when in fact they were nothing of the sort?

 

The GOP's problem is that trump is (wealthy) racist white trash and it appears that a significant proportion - a majority of his supporters - appear to be trying to make being racist white trash appear to be"normal" and "respectable", when of course, being racist white trash is neither.

 

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